[Bug 1916701] Re: [glib2.0 2.67.4-1] Black screen on boot, login screen missing/delayed, eventually comes up without Wayland support (only Xorg sessions offered)
** Tags added: block-proposed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-session in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1916701 Title: [glib2.0 2.67.4-1] Black screen on boot, login screen missing/delayed, eventually comes up without Wayland support (only Xorg sessions offered) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/1916701/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1916701] Re: [glib2.0 2.67.4-1] Black screen on boot, login screen missing/delayed, eventually comes up without Wayland support (only Xorg sessions offered)
It looks like this glib error always comes first: Feb 24 15:24:48 kab gnome-shell[1013]: invalid (NULL) pointer instance Feb 24 15:24:48 kab gnome-shell[1013]: g_signal_connect_data: assertion 'G_TYPE_CHECK_INSTANCE (instance)' failed ... Feb 24 15:25:39 kab gnome-shell[1013]: JS ERROR: Gio.IOErrorEnum: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gnome.SessionManager: Timeout was reached -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-session in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1916701 Title: [glib2.0 2.67.4-1] Black screen on boot, login screen missing/delayed, eventually comes up without Wayland support (only Xorg sessions offered) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/1916701/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1916701] Re: [glib2.0 2.67.4-1] Black screen on boot, login screen missing/delayed, eventually comes up without Wayland support (only Xorg sessions offered)
When the login screen does finally come up (without Wayland support), the first log message is: Feb 24 15:25:39 kab gnome-shell[1013]: JS ERROR: Gio.IOErrorEnum: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gnome.SessionManager: Timeout was reached _injectToMethod/klass[method]@resource:///org/gnome/gjs/modules/core/overrides/Gio.js:290:25 _makeProxyWrapper/<@resource:///org/gnome/gjs/modules/core/overrides/Gio.js:267:17 SessionManager@resource:///org/gnome/shell/misc/gnomeSession.js:36:12 _init@resource:///org/gnome/shell/misc/systemActions.js:140:25 getDefault@resource:///org/gnome/shell/misc/systemActions.js:28:22 _init@resource:///org/gnome/shell/ui/status/system.js:18:31 _init@resource:///org/gnome/shell/ui/panel.js:743:24 _ensureIndicator@resource:///org/gnome/shell/ui/panel.js:1070:25 _updateBox@resource:///org/gnome/shell/ui/panel.js:1081:34 _updatePanel@resource:///org/gnome/shell/ui/panel.js:1027:14 _init@resource:///org/gnome/shell/ui/panel.js:836:14 _initializeUI@resource:///org/gnome/shell/ui/main.js:221:13 start@resource:///org/gnome/shell/ui/main.js:162:5 @:1:47 Feb 24 15:25:39 kab gnome-shell[1013]: Execution of main.js threw exception: Script threw an exception -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-session in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1916701 Title: [glib2.0 2.67.4-1] Black screen on boot, login screen missing/delayed, eventually comes up without Wayland support (only Xorg sessions offered) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/1916701/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1916705] [NEW] glib2.0 >=2.67.3 breaks include from an extern C context
Public bug reported:
qemu now breaks in Hirsute (it didn't 23h ago)
Broken:
https://launchpadlibrarian.net/524654684/buildlog_ubuntu-hirsute-amd64.qemu_1%3A5.2+dfsg-6ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
Good before:
https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/4471/+packages
Error:
../../disas/arm-a64.cc
In file included from /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gmacros.h:241,
from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/glib-2.0/include/glibconfig.h:9,
from /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gtypes.h:32,
from /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/galloca.h:32,
from /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib.h:30,
from /<>/qemu-5.2+dfsg/include/glib-compat.h:32,
from /<>/qemu-5.2+dfsg/include/qemu/osdep.h:126,
from ../../disas/arm-a64.cc:21:
/usr/include/c++/10/type_traits:56:3: error: template with C linkage
56 | template
| ^~~~
../../disas/arm-a64.cc:20:1: note: ‘extern "C"’ linkage started here
20 | extern "C" {
| ^~
Also in disas/nanomips.cpp, ...
And indeed disas/arm-a64.cc has:
20 extern "C" {
21 #include "qemu/osdep.h"
22 #include "disas/dis-asm.h"
23 }
Through the chain of headers as reported above this gets to the templates
in /usr/include/c++/10/type_traits which fails due to that.
So C++ constructs within a C scope which is this bug.
Upstream qemu has not recently changed yet for this.
The code is the same since 2016 via commit e78490c44: "disas/arm-a64.cc:
Include osdep.h first" by Peter Maydell.
But what was different before to break it now?
To find that I was comparing Hirsute vs Hirsute-proposed ...
It is indeed failing in -proposed but working in hirsute-release.
10.2.1-20ubuntu1 : bad
repro in broken build:
$ cd /root/qemu-5.2+dfsg/b/qemu
$ c++ -Ilibcommon.fa.p -I. -I../.. -Iqapi -Itrace -Iui -Iui/shader
-I/usr/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/include/virgl -I/usr/include/libpng16
-I/usr/include/spice-server -I/usr/include/spice-1 -I/usr/include/libusb-1.0
-I/usr/include/libmount -I/usr/include/blkid -I/usr/include/glib-2.0
-I/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/gio-unix-2.0
-I/usr/include/cacard -I/usr/include/nss -I/usr/include/nspr
-I/usr/include/PCSC -I/usr/include/slirp -fdiagnostics-color=auto -pipe -Wall
-Winvalid-pch -Wnon-virtual-dtor -std=gnu++11 -O2 -g -D__STDC_LIMIT_MACROS
-D__STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS -D__STDC_FORMAT_MACROS -U_FORTIFY_SOURCE -m64 -mcx16
-D_GNU_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -Wundef
-Wwrite-strings -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fwrapv -g -O2
-ffile-prefix-map=/root/qemu-5.2+dfsg=. -fstack-protector-strong -Wformat
-Werror=format-security -Wdate-time -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -Wtype-limits
-Wformat-security -Wformat-y2k -Winit-self -Wignored-qualifiers -Wempty-body
-Wendif-labels -Wexpansion-to-defined -Wno-missing-include-dirs
-Wno-shift-negative-value -Wno-psabi -fstack-protector-strong -isystem
/root/qemu-5.2+dfsg/linux-headers -isystem linux-headers -iquote
/root/qemu-5.2+dfsg/tcg/i386 -iquote . -iquote /root/qemu-5.2+dfsg -iquote
/root/qemu-5.2+dfsg/accel/tcg -iquote /root/qemu-5.2+dfsg/include -iquote
/root/qemu-5.2+dfsg/disas/libvixl -pthread -fPIE -DSTRUCT_IOVEC_DEFINED
-D_DEFAULT_SOURCE -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=600 -DNCURSES_WIDECHAR -MD -MQ
libcommon.fa.p/disas_nanomips.cpp.o -MF libcommon.fa.p/disas_nanomips.cpp.o.d
-o libcommon.fa.p/disas_nanomips.cpp.o -c ../../disas/nanomips.cpp
With that I have a test env...
Doko asked me to test
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-10/10.2.1-19ubuntu1/+build/20995220/+files/g++-10_10.2.1-19ubuntu1_amd64.deb
That fails as well, but also good as well as bad case have 10.10.2.1-20ubuntu1
It must be something else.
The difference were ~340 packages I was upgrading them to spot what broke it.
I eventually found glib 2.66 -> 2.67 to break it.
libglib2.0-0/hirsute-proposed 2.67.4-1 amd64 [upgradable from: 2.66.4-1]
libglib2.0-bin/hirsute-proposed 2.67.4-1 amd64 [upgradable from: 2.66.4-1]
libglib2.0-data/hirsute-proposed 2.67.4-1 all [upgradable from: 2.66.4-1]
libglib2.0-dev-bin/hirsute-proposed 2.67.4-1 amd64 [upgradable from: 2.66.4-1]
libglib2.0-dev/hirsute-proposed 2.67.4-1 amd64 [upgradable from: 2.66.4-1]
Old:
/*
* We can only use __typeof__ on GCC >= 4.8, and not when compiling C++. Since
* __typeof__ is used in a few places in GLib, provide a pre-processor symbol
* to factor the check out from callers.
*
* This symbol is private.
*/
#undef g_has_typeof
#if defined(__GNUC__) && (__GNUC__ > 4 || (__GNUC__ == 4 && __GNUC_MINOR__ >=
8)) && !defined(__cplusplus)
#define g_has_typeof
#endif
New:
/*
* We can only use __typeof__ on GCC >= 4.8, and not when compiling C++. Since
* __typeof__ is used in a few places in GLib, provide a pre-processor symbol
* to factor the check out from callers.
*
* This symbol is private.
*/
#undef glib_typeof
#if !defined(__cplusplus) && \
((defined(__GNUC__) && (__GNUC__ > 4 || (__GNUC__ == 4 && __GNUC_MINOR__
[Bug 1916701] [NEW] [glib2.0 2.67.4-1] Black screen on boot, login screen missing/delayed, eventually comes up without Wayland support (only Xorg sessions offered)
Public bug reported: When I installed the glib2.0 2.67.4-1 packages I consistently encountered a black screen on boot. The login screen was missing/delayed but eventually comes up without Wayland support (only Xorg sessions offered). ** Affects: glib2.0 (Ubuntu) Importance: Critical Status: New ** Affects: gnome-session (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Tags: hirsute regression-proposed ** Also affects: gnome-session (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to glib2.0 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1916701 Title: [glib2.0 2.67.4-1] Black screen on boot, login screen missing/delayed, eventually comes up without Wayland support (only Xorg sessions offered) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/1916701/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1916463] Re: gnome-session-check-accelerated-gl-helper crashed with SIGSEGV in cso_destroy_context() [r300_dri.so]
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 1915870 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1915870 ** Summary changed: - gnome-session-check-accelerated-gl-helper crashed with SIGSEGV + gnome-session-check-accelerated-gl-helper crashed with SIGSEGV in cso_destroy_context() [r300_dri.so] ** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 1915870 gnome session not starting (segfault in r300_dri.so) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-session in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1916463 Title: gnome-session-check-accelerated-gl-helper crashed with SIGSEGV in cso_destroy_context() [r300_dri.so] To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/1916463/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1723130] Re: totem crashed with SIGSEGV in wl_proxy_add_listener() from wl_buffer_add_listener() from dri2_wl_swap_buffers_with_damage() from eglSwapBuffers() from _cogl_winsys_onscreen_swap_buff
No crashes reported after 18.04 so consider it fixed. ** Changed in: wayland (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Fix Released ** Changed in: totem (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Fix Released ** Changed in: mesa (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to totem in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1723130 Title: totem crashed with SIGSEGV in wl_proxy_add_listener() from wl_buffer_add_listener() from dri2_wl_swap_buffers_with_damage() from eglSwapBuffers() from _cogl_winsys_onscreen_swap_buffers_with_damage() To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1723130/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1726497] Re: nautilus crashed with SIGABRT in wl_abort() from wl_proxy_marshal_array_constructor_versioned()
No crashes reported after 19.04 so consider it fixed. ** Changed in: wayland (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Fix Released ** Changed in: nautilus (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Fix Released ** Changed in: gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to nautilus in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1726497 Title: nautilus crashed with SIGABRT in wl_abort() from wl_proxy_marshal_array_constructor_versioned() To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1726497/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1912246] Re: [nvidia] gnome-shell freezes randomly after upgrading to groovy
Also, that "common freezing problem that happens with the Nvidia driver" is being tracked upstream in https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/1516 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-shell in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1912246 Title: [nvidia] gnome-shell freezes randomly after upgrading to groovy To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1912246/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1912246] Re: [nvidia] gnome-shell freezes randomly after upgrading to groovy
Thanks. That log shows gnome-shell (for the login screen?) died because Xorg went away: Feb 23 07:30:15 gnome-shell[3625]: gnome-shell: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0. Also there is evidence of a common freezing problem that happens with the Nvidia driver: Feb 23 08:31:40 gnome-shell[8333]: Window manager warning: MetaSyncRing: Sync object is not ready -- were events handled properly? Feb 23 08:31:40 gnome-shell[8333]: Window manager warning: MetaSyncRing: Sync object is not ready -- were events handled properly? Next please follow the instructions in comments #5 and #11 and attach the resulting text files here in full. Please also check for crashes from the system using these instructions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Missing_a_crash_report_or_having_a_.crash_attachment ** Changed in: gnome-shell (Ubuntu) Status: New => Incomplete ** Changed in: gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock (Ubuntu) Status: New => Incomplete ** Bug watch added: gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues #1516 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/1516 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-shell in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1912246 Title: [nvidia] gnome-shell freezes randomly after upgrading to groovy To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1912246/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1532508] Re: Screen contents revealed briefly on resume, before even unlocking
This bug does not appear to be related to Xfce, yet. If it does happen in Xubuntu then please add a new task at the top of the page. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-shell in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1532508 Title: Screen contents revealed briefly on resume, before even unlocking To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-shell/+bug/1532508/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1720262] Re: gnome-screenshot Actions don't work in Wayland
Hi, Ubuntu Budgie 20.04 here - so no wayland and no gnome-shell. Desktop Actions are still broken in gnome-screenshot. If re-enable Actions=screen-shot;window-shot;area-shot area-shot has then no effect. Other two seem ok but I was unable to modify options ( -p -d or else ) as seen in gnome-screenshot --help Seems like it always want to act as soon as clicked - hence maybe why the area-shot can't work ? New ( ? ) issue → https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome- screenshot/+bug/191 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-shell in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1720262 Title: gnome-screenshot Actions don't work in Wayland To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-shell/+bug/1720262/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1916463] Re: gnome-session-check-accelerated-gl-helper crashed with SIGSEGV
** Information type changed from Private to Public -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-session in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1916463 Title: gnome-session-check-accelerated-gl-helper crashed with SIGSEGV To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/1916463/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1910838] Re: stopped working after latest update
** Tags removed: rls-ff-incoming -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-shell-extension-appindicator in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1910838 Title: stopped working after latest update To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/+bug/1910838/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1905370] Re: Qt-based tray icons not displayed on start-up
** Tags removed: rls-ff-incoming rls-gg-incoming ** Also affects: gnome-shell-extension-appindicator (Ubuntu Focal) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Also affects: gnome-shell-extension-appindicator (Ubuntu Hirsute) Importance: Medium Assignee: Marco Trevisan (Treviño) (3v1n0) Status: Triaged ** Also affects: gnome-shell-extension-appindicator (Ubuntu Groovy) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: gnome-shell-extension-appindicator (Ubuntu Groovy) Assignee: (unassigned) => Marco Trevisan (Treviño) (3v1n0) ** Changed in: gnome-shell-extension-appindicator (Ubuntu Focal) Assignee: (unassigned) => Marco Trevisan (Treviño) (3v1n0) ** Changed in: gnome-shell-extension-appindicator (Ubuntu Groovy) Importance: Undecided => Medium ** Changed in: gnome-shell-extension-appindicator (Ubuntu Focal) Importance: Undecided => Medium -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-shell-extension-appindicator in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1905370 Title: Qt-based tray icons not displayed on start-up To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/+bug/1905370/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1912246] Re: [nvidia] gnome-shell freezes randomly after upgrading to groovy
So I disabled both ubuntu-dock and the desktop icons extensions and still see the freezes, here's a log of gnome-shell: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/CXCfTVtkMJ/ ** Changed in: gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete => New ** Changed in: gnome-shell (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete => New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-shell in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1912246 Title: [nvidia] gnome-shell freezes randomly after upgrading to groovy To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1912246/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1532508] Re: Screen contents revealed briefly on resume, before even unlocking
I can also confirm this (Xubuntu 20.04.2). Hardware is a HP Probook 430 G6. lspci says this about the graphics card: "Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 620" Thanks in advance! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-shell in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1532508 Title: Screen contents revealed briefly on resume, before even unlocking To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-shell/+bug/1532508/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1865226] Re: gdm-smartcard pam config needs to be updated for Ubuntu and installed
** Changed in: gdm3 (Debian) Status: Unknown => New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gdm3 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1865226 Title: gdm-smartcard pam config needs to be updated for Ubuntu and installed To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/1865226/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
