Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult
On 22/03/12 09:45, Ingo Gerth wrote: Oh my god I can not believe this bug returned recently in 12.04. What a regression! It's like a nightmare! I am starting to think there must be an evil force trying to make the Ubuntu desktop harder to use! First this really annoying persistent bug, then Unity... :-P -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 Title: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/160311/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult
On 21/12/11 11:32, Nacnud Nosmoht wrote: Broken on Oneiric. And I still haven't seen a fix. And I don't care if this is or isn't a bug, and all the other nuances, I just want a way to be able to resize windows. I can make it work if I have a mouse plugged in, but using the touchpad, with my calloused fingers, it's completely impossible to grab the window border to resize the window. COME ON GUYS - THIS SHOULDN'T BE THAT HARD! Amazing eh? Microsoft folks are laughing their heads off: can't get this simply thing right? +1 (for the 10th time?) Jan -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 Title: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/160311/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult
Hi John, On 22/12/11 01:59, John Lea wrote: @jan-bakuwel-gmail; in what way is the current Ubuntu window resizing behaviour different from the Microsoft window resizing behaviour? In both Windows and Ubuntu we have several px on the left, right and bottom of the windows that is dragable, in fact I think the dragable area in Ubuntu is slightly larger. We *do* have a bug with the dragable area at the top of a window, but are there any other issues you are aware of? This issue has been dragging on for so long I've grown tired of it. Have you ever tried using a touchpad to resize a window with a default Ubuntu 11.10 installation on a laptop with a high resolution screen? I've given up on it on Ubuntu 10.04 and have gotten used to Alt - Right Click to resize windows until I have time to write a program that can read my mind as I don't think this will ever be fixed on Ubuntu 10.04. I can't use Ubuntu 11.10 as yet as Unity is buggy and even if it would not be buggy it still is a much lesser fit to my needs than Gnome 2. I might be forced to stay with Ubuntu 10.04 for a few more years as I think Unity need a lot more work before it's usable for anything more than occasional desktop work. Fortunately support for 10.04 has been extended - I assume for obvious reasons? The point many people are trying to make is that resizing windows needs to be intuitive. Dare I say that something that is intuitive should no more depend on the selected theme as it would on the selected background image? It has been intuitive on Windows since 3 (can't remember Windows 3 sorry :-P), as well as on any incarnation of Mac OS but somehow we seem to continue to have to debate and explain something that I would consider really really obvious. Perhaps the developers should simply use a laptop with a touchpad and high resolution screen and see if they can resize windows without inflicting RSI on themselves. If they can't, it's not fixed, no matter what technical arguments are put forward. regards, Jan -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 Title: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/160311/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
Thanks Vish. Would it be possible to amend the following sentence so it reads: + This should mostly be fixed for Natty and *will* get backported to 10.04 and might get backported to earlier releases as well. 10.04 is a LTS after all... thanks, Jan On 03/01/11 07:53, Vish wrote: ** Description changed: * - No more comments needed + No more comments needed - This should mostly be fixed for Natty and might get backported to earlier releases as well. + This should mostly be fixed for Natty and might get backported to + earlier releases as well. + * + + *Blueprint for Natty, Ubuntu 11.04: + + https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-dx-n + -resizing-windows + + Work items1 * Make sure the new resize grip fits in current applications; doesn't interfere with anything. We should make some noise about this during the Natty cycle so people keep their eyes open and file bugs. + 2 * Invisible window resize area - around 3px invisible area to allow resize on all sides. + + * + + Working grip backported to gtk2 already available in ppa : + https://launchpad.net/~bratsche/+archive/gtk + + * + + Workaround: Edit /usr/share/themes/Ambiance/metacity-1/metacity- + theme-1.xml. Set the following values in frame_geometry_normal as + desired: + + distance name=left_width value=3/ + distance name=right_width value=3/ + distance name=bottom_height value=3/ + + Binary package hint: metacity - - The issue has been an issue for users (especially of large) screens for several releases - - Trackpad users seem to be particularly impacted by this- The issue appears to have been significantly aggravated in Lucid by changing the border width from 3 pixels to 1 pixel + - The issue has been an issue for users (especially of large) screens + for several releases- Trackpad users seem to be particularly impacted by + this- The issue appears to have been significantly aggravated in Lucid + by changing the border width from 3 pixels to 1 pixel The window borders in metacity are far too thin to be used for comfortable window resizing, and resize handles are not available in all applications (or even most). In fact, of all the windows I have open right now, not a single one of them has a resize handle. The result is that I get a lot of misses when I try to drag a window border, which usually results in my clicking on the wrong window altogether. The best fix for this usability bug is to create an invisible region around each non-maximized window about 4px thick that can be used for resizing (in addition to the visible border). Or perhaps there should be a border thickness option on the System Preferences Windows dialog (although the default thickness should still be increased considerably). Ideally all windows would also have a resize handle but I realize that these have to be application controlled (at least that seems to be the position of the metacity team). - - * - Blueprint for Natty: - https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-dx-n-resizing-windows - - Work items - 1 * Make sure the new resize grip fits in current applications; doesn't interfere with anything. We should make some noise about this during the Natty cycle so people keep their eyes open and file bugs. - 2 * Invisible window resize area - around 3px invisible area to allow resize on all sides. - - * - Working grip backported to gtk2 already available in ppa : https://launchpad.net/~bratsche/+archive/gtk - * - - Workaround: Edit /usr/share/themes/Ambiance/metacity-1/metacity- - theme-1.xml. Set the following values in frame_geometry_normal as - desired: - - distance name=left_width value=3/ - distance name=right_width value=3/ - distance name=bottom_height value=3/ -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 Title: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
On 01/11/10 09:20, Ben Shadwick wrote: I'm sad to see that a corner grip is the way they've decided to address things, as it's really just a workaround. +1. So no fix for Gnome 2.x - and a half-fix for Gnome 3? Can't believe the Gnome folks (assuming they're deciding about this) allow this to continue to cripple the Gnome desktop. -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
Hi all, I don't want to see this fixed because it works that way in Windows. I want to see it fixed because it is logical to want it to work this way. I do not think it is too much to ask for an advanced operating system to be adapted to the way users use it, instead of forcing users to adapt to the way it was programmed. (or deficiency thereof) In this case, it is just the software not keeping up with hardware's advances, and this bug should be able to be remedied instead of the feature killed off. You're right of course, this has nothing to do with how Windows works. Except perhaps that Windows, Mac and Linux all share the same concepts of working with a keyboard, mouse and screen. When touch screens become main stream are we going to say that users should figure out which theme matches the thickness of their fingers or else they won't be able to comfortably and intuitively with the system? I'm surprised to read the debate is still going on. The way it currently works is simply not ergonomic nor intuitive. All themes (well especially those that come standard with Ubuntu) should support easy resizing of windows, ie. it should be fixed independently of themes. I surely don't consider this fixed or mute by adding a hidden option somewhere in 10.10. I'd also like to suggest that it gets fixed in Ubuntu 10.04 as that is a LTS release. thanks, Jan -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult
Is there anyone with decision making power regarding this issue out there willing to respond? It would be good to know if our suggestion(s) are being seriously considered, have been rejected, deemed irrelevant, etc? -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult
+1 for Importance. I think the usability (or lack thereof) of a user interface should not depend on how it looks like. For instance we don't expect the theme to define the pointer speed, double-click time out etc either? I think it should be possible to use the user interface with straining ones muscles no matter what a theme does; 1px on high res screen really is beyond what I consider usable. If we want it configurable, why not extend the Mouse Preferences with a slider that specifies the number of pixels for the transparent area that has been suggested? -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult
Hi Dylan, On 05/09/10 04:11, Dylan McCall wrote: It would be helpful to know what is wrong with the current approach, which has changed considerably from two years ago. The default themes now have a _considerably large_ hotspot for resizing on all four corners of every window. From my perspective, this problem feels like it's solved (though there is a slight learning curve for those coming from Windows). So, why is that solution insufficient? What I think is wrong with the current approach is that it strains peoples muscles unnecessarily in other words is rather uncomfortable to use. IMHO it is counter intuitive to only be able to resize windows from the edges (I for one often want to extend a window in one direction only). If it can be done for the edges why not for the whole window? My vote goes towards an invisible area in which the mouse pointer changes shape (and snaps to the edge of the window if so required) that remains usable also when high res screens are being used. I don't understand why the issue needs debating? Haven't you tried to resize windows with the mouse (not using the edges)? Please do 10 resizes on a high res screen and let us know how your arm feels afterwards! Jan PS I'm using the default New Wave theme. -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult
I was wondering why I felt strain in my muscles, then engaged the brain, then discovered this thread :-) Making the border thicker obviously has undesirable optical effects. IMHO resizing of windows should always be comfortable and intuitive (Microsoft can do it, can't Ubuntu/Gnome/Metacity??). -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
