[Bug 789333] Re: users-admin crashes on start because of mixed GTK2 and 3 symbols

2011-08-17 Thread Jonathan Marsden
@pitti: Are you sure that all flavours of Ubuntu (Ubuntu, Kubuntu,
Xubuntu and Lubuntu) include the new accountsservice/gnome-control-
center in Oneiric?  Would their doing so noticeably increase disk or
memory footprint by requiring other depedencies also be installed by
default?

If in fact any of the official-but-non-default flavours of Ubuntu still
need to use gnome-system-tools, then I submit that this *is* in fact a
release critical bug for those flavours and should be accorded
appropriately high priority and upgraded back to High.

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[Bug 821812] Re: time-admin crashed with signal 5 in g_option_context_parse()

2011-08-05 Thread Jonathan Marsden
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[Bug 706436] Re: Safely remove drive is not safe for SD card readers

2011-02-05 Thread Jonathan Marsden
@Anakin Starkiller: I tested with the latest available kernel for Ubuntu
10.04.1 LTS.  This is a supported release until April 2013 according to
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases .

(1) How would a newer kernel know that a device is lying about whether
it is removable or not?

(2) Is there reason to believe it is fixed in 2.6.32-28-generic ?

(3) Are you aware of a newer kernel I should be using with this release
of Ubuntu, that may solve this issue?

I'm not eager to upgrade a stable working machine just to test this, but
I'm interested to know where any such "newer kernel" might be found.

Thanks.

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[Bug 504440] Re: sd card "safely remove drive" kills reader device

2011-01-22 Thread Jonathan Marsden
David Tombs wrote:

> how about opening up a new bug for the text change? 
> Trying to transform this bug into a UI change might create too much 
> confusion. :)

OK.  There is also bug #404185 which seems highly relevant to all of
this.

I'm a little concerned about having too many bugs all related to the
same underlying issue, that of internal devices which appear to the OS
as external, and so can be "safely removed" in Nautilus -- which is not
in fact safe, and kills them!

>From a user perspective, this is one issue.  How we address it (kernel,
UI, documentation, all three, ...) does not change that.  Anyway, bug
#706436 now exists, against nautilus, let's see what happens :)

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[Bug 706436] Re: Safely remove drive is not safe for SD card readers

2011-01-22 Thread Jonathan Marsden


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[Bug 706436] [NEW] Safely remove drive is not safe for SD card readers

2011-01-22 Thread Jonathan Marsden
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: nautilus

RELEASE OF UBUNTU:

  Description:  Ubuntu 10.04.1 LTS
  Release:  10.04

VERSION OF PACKAGE:

  nautilus:
  Installed: 1:2.30.1-0ubuntu1.1
  Candidate: 1:2.30.1-0ubuntu1.1
  Version table:
 *** 1:2.30.1-0ubuntu1.1 0
500 http://mirrors.us.kernel.org/ubuntu/ lucid-updates/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 1:2.30.0-0ubuntu4 0
500 http://mirrors.us.kernel.org/ubuntu/ lucid/main Packages

STEPS TO REPRODUCE:

 (1) Insert SD card
 (2) In nautilus, right click on the card and click on "Safely remove drive".
 (3) Remove and then re-insert SD card.

WHAT I EXPECTED TO HAPPEN:

  SD card should be prepared for removal, but inserting it or another SD
card after that should work.

WHAT HAPPENED INSTEAD:

  SD card reader is left powered down and not on the USB bus, so new
SDcard insertions are not seen by the system at all.

DESCRIPTION:

USB connected SD card readers and similar devices appear to the OS as
being "external" or "removable" devices.  This causes Nautilus to
provide a right-click context menu item currently named "Safely remove
drive".

Using that item triggers a call to DriveDetatch() which powers down the
device and removes it from the USB bus.  At this point, there is no way
to use the device again until a reboot.

Attempts to handle this at lower technical kernel/gvfs layers have been
only partially successful, in that users continue to follow Windows-
derived "right-click, Safely remove" UI actions and so accidentally
disable their devices.

Since clearly, in this situation, clicking on "Safely remove drive" is
not at all safe (!), it would seem appropriate to rename this menu item
to something less likely to be used accidentally by novice users who
expect it to be safe.

SUGGESTED WORDING CHANGE:

One possible wording might be "Power down external device".  This is
unlikely to be mentally associated with the Windows "Safely remove"
wording, and also makes it clear that this is intended for use with an
*external* device, so hopefully fewer users will try it on a device that
is in fact internal to their machine.

HISTORY:

This new bug report was triggered by discussion in bug #504440 and
created at the suggestion of David Tombs.

ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
Package: nautilus 1:2.30.1-0ubuntu1.1
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-27.49-generic 2.6.32.26+drm33.12
Uname: Linux 2.6.32-27-generic x86_64
NonfreeKernelModules: fglrx
Architecture: amd64
Date: Sat Jan 22 14:35:28 2011
ProcEnviron:
 LANGUAGE=en_US:en
 PATH=(custom, user)
 LANG=en_US.utf8
 SHELL=/bin/bash
SourcePackage: nautilus

** Affects: nautilus (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New


** Tags: amd64 apport-bug lucid

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[Bug 504440] Re: sd card "safely remove drive" kills reader device

2011-01-22 Thread Jonathan Marsden
Two ideas:

(1) Is there any way to implement a "reconnect device" option, as
suggested in comment #7 some months ago?

While less than ideal, this would be one way to help people who make
this mistake to recover from it themselves.

(2) Alternatively, a language change to the context menu, so the item
concerned does not say "Safely remove drive", but instead says something
closer to "Power down external device" might help, since it then (a)
sounds a bit scarier and (b) does not look so similar to the Windows
message people are apparently confusing it with.

"Won't fix" seems inappropriate to me.  If I can't be "fixed" at a
deeply technical kernel level, fine, let's come up with a way to
minimize the issue at a UI level instead.  Not just ignore the problem.

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[Bug 223281] Re: locale._parse_localename fails when localename does not contain encoding information (was: alacarte crashed with ValueError in _parse_localename() )

2009-11-29 Thread Jonathan Marsden
Per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess I am setting this to be
assigned to noone and subscribing ubuntu-main-sponsors .

** Changed in: python2.6 (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs) => (unassigned)

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[Bug 223281] Re: locale._parse_localename fails when localename does not contain encoding information (was: alacarte crashed with ValueError in _parse_localename() )

2009-11-26 Thread Jonathan Marsden
Apparently for an SRU we need to get this change accepted into Lucid.
So, here is a debdiff for the Lucid version.


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   Status: In Progress => Confirmed

** Changed in: ubuntu-translations
   Status: In Progress => Confirmed

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[Bug 223281] Re: locale._parse_localename fails when localename does not contain encoding information (was: alacarte crashed with ValueError in _parse_localename() )

2009-11-13 Thread Jonathan Marsden
> If you think the fix is ready for release, it might be worth
considering it for a stable release update (SRU).

> Do you (or anyone else) think you could follow the 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates 
> procedure so that this fix can be considered for Karmic?

OK.  I'll give it a go, possibly working on it over this coming weekend.
Because the affected package is an interpreter (Python), I think the
standards for what it takes to get an SRU included are very high (a
mistake in a Python package would affect many users of many different
Python applications!).  But I'll follow the process and see what
feedback we get.

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[Bug 223281] Re: locale._parse_localename fails when localename does not contain encoding information (was: alacarte crashed with ValueError in _parse_localename() )

2009-11-08 Thread Jonathan Marsden
> Don't know if it's important, but all the version numbers in the debdiff are 
> 2.6.2 (Jaunty's version), 
> and the current vesrion in Karmic is 2.6.4.

Yes, here is a separate debdiff for the Karmic version.  This one is
building in my PPA now.

Jonathan

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[Bug 223281] Re: locale._parse_localename fails when localename does not contain encoding information (was: alacarte crashed with ValueError in _parse_localename() )

2009-11-08 Thread Jonathan Marsden
Attached is my initial attempt at a debdiff for the Jaunty python2.6
package.

This will hopefully build in my PPA at
https://launchpad.net/~jmarsden/+archive/ppa/ overnight.  Brave souls
who want to download and test the updated Python packages from there are
very much welcome to do so.

Jonathan


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[Bug 223281] Re: locale._parse_localename fails when localename does not contain encoding information (was: alacarte crashed with ValueError in _parse_localename() )

2009-11-07 Thread Jonathan Marsden
The upstream patch to locale.py suggested by nicsabacovic does solve the
problem when applied to locale.py, at least in Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic.
After applying it (by hand, since it is for python 3.x and does not
apply to 2.6 using patch), alacarte runs in the sr...@latin and sr_RS
locales.

debdiff (and packages in my PPA for brave people to test!) will follow
shortly, for Jaunty and Karmic, I hope.

Jonathan

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[Bug 306591] Re: Locale settings in shell initialization not used by GNOME session

2009-02-11 Thread Jonathan Marsden
I am not a GNOME i18n expert, at all.  But I do know that if you use
GNOME the way it was intended, i18n generally "just works" and you do
not need to mess with manually setting locale variables in .bashrc or
.dmrc or anywhere else.

Set a language at the gdm screen, and when prompted, tell it to make
this new language/locale the default for your user, and it adds
information to that effect to your ~/.dmrc  Then, next time that user
logs in, they get that chosen language/locale.  Such a user will find
that their shell locale is correct, too, when they open up a terminal
window.  Job done.  User does not need to care where the info is stored
or how it works.  User never edits a ~/.anything file!  It just works.

I think you are trying to "mess with" the guts of how GNOME does things,
and (lacking detailed info on exactly how it works) that attempt is
apparently confusing you.  Since your end users are unlikely to do this
kind of thing, your testing should probably do it the way your users
will, for maximum fidelity.  For one-time quick tests during
development, you can of course always do

  LC_ALL=whatever LC_TIME=foobar gnomesword &

type of things, this sets the locale vars for that one process (and its
subprocesses) only.  The shell has allowed this for many years, probably
decades, and this is not GNOME or Ubuntu specific in any way.  If you
want to test GNOME menus, then I think you need to be starting GNOME the
way end users will, not trying to manually tweak it, if you want the
tests to be valid for real life users.

Do you really truly need more that this?  Is there really a bug here?
If so, what exactly is the bug?

I'd suggest closing this as NOTABUG at this point.  But that's just my
opinion.

If you have a question (as opposed to a bug), then you could try using
LaunchPad "Answers" to ask it, and see if you get a solid answer to it
there.  It might be good to phrase the question in terms of the user
requirement "how do I achieve result X", rather than in terms of the
method "how do I get GNOME to read locale settings from shell
initialization file Y", for best results.

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[Bug 306591] Re: Locale settings not used by GNOME session

2009-02-07 Thread Jonathan Marsden
Changing status to incomplete: unclear if this is really a bug, and
earlier confirmation from refdoc turned out to be a different issue.

** Changed in: meta-gnome2 (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed => Incomplete

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[Bug 306591] Re: Locale settings not used by GNOME session

2009-02-07 Thread Jonathan Marsden
Andrew:

> Jonathan, do you have any idea what may be at fault here?
> I'm interested in filing this upstream but I'm not sure which Gnome package 
> to target.

The more I look at this, the more I think there may well be no real bug
here at all.

My change to the summary line was trying (apparently inadequately, since
you undid it!) to suggest that the issue is not really "locale settings
not respected by Gnome".  Locale settings most definitely *are*
respected by Gnome, when they are set in /etc/environment, or when set
from the gdm login screen.  I have multiple languages installed on this
machine (English, French, German and Spanish), and I can log in using
any one of them, and get appropriate menus, and clock date/time format,
spell checking, etc.  Locales *are* being respected.  Unlike English,
French, German and Spanish, I don't speak any Egyptian Arabic, so I've
not tried logging in in that language :)

Rephrasing a bit: the issue being reported is (as I understand it, and
now we are clear that refdoc's locale issue is clearly not a part of
this specific issue): Gnome does not use locale settings which are set
in the user's shell initialization file.

The question then becomes: Should Gnome in fact examine and use such
settings, since Gnome does not itself necessarily use any per-session
shell at all!  Why would Gnome be expected to look in a user's shell
initialization file?  Is there documentation out there that says it
should or will do so?

Especially since Ubuntu 8.10 has the "fast session switching"
capability, allowing one to have multiple sessions open (logged in as
different users) in different locales, I am not sure there is really
much of a case for saying that Gnome *should* be parsing shell
initialization files to look for locale settings -- is there?  I'm open
to hearing the argument that it should really do that, but trying to
look at this from the user's viewpoint, I don't (yet?) see why it
should.

The shell respects the locale settings set in the global environment and
its initialization file(s); Gnome respects the locale settings in the
global environment and it is own initialization files.  (For example,
have you considered setting locale-related variables in ~/.xsession, if
you want to explore this kind of thing?  Maybe in ~/.dmrc ??)

Logically, if you are using a GUI, then you set its locale at GUI
session startup, just as you would set a shell's locale at shell
startup.  Each has a different way to specify its initial settings
(though of course both respect the global environment).

Does this make sense?

Jonathan

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[Bug 306591] Re: Locale settings in ~/.bashrc not used by GNOME session

2009-02-06 Thread Jonathan Marsden
** Summary changed:

- Locale settings not respected in GNOME session
+ Locale settings in ~/.bashrc not used by GNOME session

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[Bug 306591] Re: Locale settings not respected in GNOME session

2009-02-06 Thread Jonathan Marsden
refdoc:

Your locale list includes ar_EG.utf8, but not ar_EG.
These are two different locales.

Please try:

# Create and install the ar_EG locale
sudo locale-gen ar_EG
# Test it
LC_ALL=ar_EG locale

I think this will fix your issue, which is not the bug described by the
submitter, but something else.

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[Bug 306591] Re: Locale settings not respected in GNOME session

2009-02-06 Thread Jonathan Marsden
refdoc writes:

> export LC_ALL=ar_EG; gnomesword

> Error message : (gnomesword:15597): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C 
> library.
>  Using the fallback 'C' locale.

Well, I'd expect that result if the ar_EG locale is in fact not fully
and correctly installed on your machine (and that's not exactly a common
locale, you must admit).

Question #1) Does the shell command

locale -a

output a list of locales that includes ar_EG ?

Question #2) How exactly did you add this locale data (for ar_EG) to
your system?  I would have expected

sudo locale-gen ar_EG

but please confirm/correct me on this!

I am unable to confirm the issue with the ar_EG locale at all:

   sudo locale-gen ar_EG
   LC_ALL=ar_EG locale

works for me.

At this point, my suspicion is that the bug as originally reported may
be related to how early GNOME stuff is started up, and that the
corrupted locale issue is some sort of installation issue or problem
with the process by which the ar_EG locale was installed onto your
system.

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[Bug 237130] Re: Swahili support broken

2008-07-19 Thread Jonathan Marsden
It seems that the language-pack-sw* packages (in Hardy at least) simply
do not contain Swahili locale data.  The file
/var/lib/locales/supported.d/sw is an empty file (zero bytes long),
unlike all the other files in that directory.

So, the locales package and the locale-gen program can't compile a
Swahili locale.  And by design, you can't persuade gdm to let you select
a locale you don't have on your system, so the menus don't include it as
a language choice.

It might be worth mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] to see if the
language pack maintenance team as a whole has any advice or suggestions?

Perhaps the folks you are sending out with a Ubuntu machine can actually
help create the missing locale data themselves, and contribute it back
to Ubuntu!

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