[Bug 980134] Re: AltGr key doesn't work properly in gnome-terminal when Maori is in the keyboard selection list.

2012-04-27 Thread Peter Belew
I just upgraded from 11.04 to 11.10 on another system, a gBox P4
computer.

Ubuntu version and kernel version
DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
DISTRIB_RELEASE=11.10
DISTRIB_CODENAME=oneiric
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION=Ubuntu 11.10
Linux billy 3.0.0-17-generic #30-Ubuntu SMP Thu Mar 8 17:34:21 UTC 2012 i686 
i686 i386 GNU/Linux
model name  : Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 1.70GHz
cpu MHz : 1692.048
MemTotal:2029944 kB
SwapTotal:522076 kB

I reproduced this bug on this system.
$ apt-show-versions gnome-terminal
gnome-terminal/oneiric uptodate 3.0.1-0ubuntu3

I am about to upgrade this system to 12.04.

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[Bug 980134] Re: AltGr key doesn't work properly in gnome-terminal when Maori is in the keyboard selection list.

2012-04-27 Thread Peter Belew
I am now running the released version from a CD - I downloaded the ISO
this evening.

ubuntu@ubuntu:/etc$ cat lsb-release
DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
DISTRIB_RELEASE=12.04
DISTRIB_CODENAME=precise
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION=Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
ubuntu@ubuntu:/etc$ uname -a
Linux ubuntu 3.2.0-23-generic-pae #36-Ubuntu SMP Tue Apr 10 22:19:09 UTC 2012 
i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
ubuntu@ubuntu:/etc$ date
Fri Apr 27 06:08:01 UTC 2012

The same thing is still happening - first I add the Latin Americ (ES) layout to 
the default US (EN) layout - that works fine in Gnome-Terminal, but If I add 
the Maori (mi) layout, AltGr combinations in the ES layout turn into error 
characters.
When I type the top QWERTY line in using the ES layout, with the AltGr key held 
down, I see

  @ł€¶ŧ←↓→øþ

But if I type the same characters, with the AltGr key depressed, in the
shell (using Gnome-terminal) I see instead the characters

   �

As described in the bug description.

If I select the Maori layout in gedit, and type the vowels with AltGr
depressed, I see the vowels with macrons

  āēīōūĀĒĪŌŪ

but if I do that in Gnome terminal, I see

  ��

So it is clear that Gnome-terminal is the problem.

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[Bug 980134] Re: AltGr key doesn't work properly in gnome-terminal when Maori is in the keyboard selection list.

2012-04-17 Thread Peter Belew
gnome-terminal was updated last night, but the problem persists.

Version information:

$ ls -l gnome-terminal
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 301480 Apr 16 21:53 gnome-terminal

$ apt-show-versions | grep gnome-term
gnome-terminal/precise uptodate 3.4.1.1-0ubuntu1
gnome-terminal-data/precise uptodate 3.4.1.1-0ubuntu1

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[Bug 980134] Re: AltGr key doesn't work properly in gnome-terminal when Maori is in the keyboard selection list.

2012-04-17 Thread Peter Belew
Today I booted a beta2 version of 11.10 Oneiric on my Dell netbook, and
checked keyboard behavior regarding this bug. I had the US and ES
(Spanish) layouts installed, with and without the Maori layout in the
list. The behavior was the same as with the 12.04 beta2 version
installed in other systems: AltGr combinations produced an error
character if the Maori character was in the list, when using gnome-
terminal. The ES layout worked properly when the Maori layout was not in
the list.

The same thing happens when using Linux Mint, which is based on 11.10
Oneiric.

Again, this did not affect GUI programs.

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[Bug 980134] Re: AltGr key doesn't work properly in gnome-terminal when Maori is in the keyboard selection list.

2012-04-17 Thread Peter Belew
11.10 beta2 used for testing Maori bug on netbook - in comment #6

Linux ubuntu 3.0.0-11-generic #18-Ubuntu SMP Tue Sep 13 23:29:47 UTC
2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
DISTRIB_RELEASE=11.10
DISTRIB_CODENAME=oneiric
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION=Ubuntu oneiric (development branch)
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[Bug 980134] Re: AltGr key doesn't work properly in gnome-terminal when Maori is in the keyboard selection list.

2012-04-13 Thread Peter Belew
This problem may be useful in testing Bug #981182 regarding a command-
not-found crash after entering the � characters.

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[Bug 980134] Re: AltGr key doesn't work properly in gnome-terminal when Maori is in the keyboard selection list.

2012-04-13 Thread Peter Belew
And also : this problem still occurs today.

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[Bug 980134] [NEW] AltGr key doesn't work properly in gnome-terminal when Maori is in the keyboard selection list.

2012-04-12 Thread Peter Belew
Public bug reported:

I am running the 12.04 beta, 2012-04-12 daily, i386, from a DVD. I have
3 different keyboard layouts loaded in the keyboard layout selector: US,
ES (LATAM), and Maori.  With ES selected, and the AltGr key depressed,
my top QWERTY row should look like this

   @ł€¶ŧ←↓→øþ

But if I do this in the gnome-terminal, I get

   �

If I then remove Maori from the list, and continue with the ES (LATAM)
layout, I get the proper characters on the screen.

See bug #929054 for an earlier report on the xfce4-terminal in Xubuntu
12.04 beta, on the same amd64 machine.

This does not happen with the KDE terminal program in Kubuntu 12.04
beta. Also it does not happen in Debian 6 with a similar combination of
keyboard layouts, including Maori. Debian has a somewhat different
selection of layouts available, but it does have the ones I tested on
this machine. Also it has a somewhat older version of gnome-terminal.

I filed this separate bug report to emphasise that this happens with
gnome-terminal, and still happens as of today's build, with no problems
arising from multiple updates to the installation on this computer.

Ubuntu version and kernel version
DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
DISTRIB_RELEASE=12.04
DISTRIB_CODENAME=precise
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION=Ubuntu precise (development branch)
Linux ubuntu 3.2.0-23-generic-pae #36-Ubuntu SMP Tue Apr 10 22:19:09 UTC 2012 
i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
model name  : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3800+
cpu MHz : 1000.000

Also, this problem is a known bug - if you try to execute the error
characters in the shell, command-not-found crashes:

ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ ���
Sorry, command-not-found has crashed! Please file a bug report at:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/command-not-found/+filebug
Please include the following information with the report:

command-not-found version: 0.2.44

This last problem has been reported many times already.

ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 12.04
Package: gnome-terminal 3.4.0.1-0ubuntu1
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.2.0-23.36-generic-pae 3.2.14
Uname: Linux 3.2.0-23-generic-pae i686
ApportVersion: 2.0.1-0ubuntu2
Architecture: i386
CasperVersion: 1.314
Date: Thu Apr 12 17:33:29 2012
LiveMediaBuild: Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Precise Pangolin - Beta i386 (20120412)
ProcEnviron:
 PATH=(custom, no user)
 LANG=en_US.UTF-8
 SHELL=/bin/bash
SourcePackage: gnome-terminal
UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)

** Affects: gnome-terminal (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New


** Tags: apport-bug i386 precise

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[Bug 980134] Re: AltGr key doesn't work properly in gnome-terminal when Maori is in the keyboard selection list.

2012-04-12 Thread Peter Belew
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[Bug 980134] Re: AltGr key doesn't work properly in gnome-terminal when Maori is in the keyboard selection list.

2012-04-12 Thread Peter Belew
Note that if I install gnome-terminal (in addition to the default
xfce4-terminal) under Xubuntu on the same system, it behaves the same
way (also as of today's updates).

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2011-02-26 Thread Peter Belew
At any rate, this appears to be fixed in Lucid, Karmic, and the current
Natty alpha version. I can see the various USA keyboard versions
indicated, like USA, USA1 USA2 etc.

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2011-02-25 Thread Peter Belew
I don't particularly like the concept of the indicator applet OR the
notification area - similar concepts, lumping together several
applets; I'd rather just add these things individually and arrange them
individually.

BUT: this bug is about the keyboard indicator specifically, which has
lost a capability which existed in previous versions and is useful and
even essential to a number of people doing multilingual work. It works
fine in Lucid and Maverick, and I make use of it frequently.

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2011-02-01 Thread Peter Belew
This problem has popped up over and over again with almost every Ubuntu
release. It largely affects people who deal with a number of languages
using the Latin character set, but are used to the US keyboard. I think
there may be other variant keyboards for which subscripts would be
useful, but I'm not sure. This is a convention adopted in MS-Windows
many years ago.

BTW I created the first US-International keyboard layout for MS-Windows
in 1987, and it soon needed to be expanded. It's pretty hard to devise a
layout of that sort to handle ALL the European languages without making
its use very cumbersome - that's why there are 3 or 4 variants other
than the standard US keyboard. It's necessary for the user to know which
one has been selected. The trick of enabling a popup showing the layout
by right-clicking on the icon works, but it takes up screen space, which
for example is limited in the first place on a netbook.

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[Bug 439448] Re: Visual corruption affecting several panel applets

2010-12-30 Thread Peter Belew
Regarding the above comment #330 - remember that Lucid Lynx Ubuntu
10.04.2 LTS will be coming out soon - This bug probably affects this LTS
release, so it will still be relevant for some time.

Not only this, but some video adapters and monitors will not support the
new GUI, so that they will be running Gnome instead on 11.04 (for
example, my Averatec laptop).

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[Bug 689377] Re: Panels fail to appear on Gnome startup on Averatec notebook running 11.04 alpha1

2010-12-13 Thread Peter Belew
The behavior is the same as in comment #2 after rebooting.

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[Bug 689377] Re: Panels fail to appear on Gnome startup on Averatec notebook running 11.04 alpha1

2010-12-13 Thread Peter Belew
Some new issues:

When I boot in safe mode. I can't use the wifi interface (configured
with network-manager), but the eth0 interface works (configured in
/etc/network/interfaces). Apparently network-manager is disabled in safe
mode.

When booting into the normal Gnome mode, the previously-configured wifi
interface (wlan0) does work, if it was set up before this bug appeared
with parameters for the local wireless access point.

On one start of Gnome, even the desktop icons I had created previously
did not appear. But I could use ctr-alt-F2 to switch to a text shell and
restart gdm, after which those icons reappeared.

On the last few boots today, I never got either the top or the bottom
panel to appear.

I did update the system a few times today.

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[Bug 689377] [NEW] Panels fail to appear on Gnome startup on Averatec notebook running 11.04 alpha1

2010-12-12 Thread Peter Belew
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: gnome-panel

I have installed 11.04 'natty narwhal' beta-1 on my Averatec 3280
notebook, and have updated it daily through this morning.

This has a Unichrome display which only supports Gnome in 11.04. This
display has had a number of problems with previous versions of Ubuntu,
mainly documented in bug #495553, but on the initial release of 11.04,
most of the problems seemed to have been solved. (See the last few
comments in that bug report for details).

Starting yesterday, 11 December 2010, a new problem has surfaced. When
the Gnome display comes up, after logging in, either neither panel
appears, or just the bottom panel appears. Once in a large number of
trials, both panels will appear. Currently neither shows up. Yesterday,
after this started happening, I add the Main Menu to the bottom panel,
then created desktop icons for a number of common programs (Terminal,
Firefox, Update Manager, Synaptic, etc.) so I could continue testing and
reporting on the system.

I had previously installed an ssh server and some other shell utilities
to make it easier to access the system when display problems occur.

I am attaching the current output of apt-show-versions to show the
current state of the system. A xorg.conf file has been installed to
solve a screen resolution detection problem - that and some Xorg.0.log
files are attached to the #495553 bug report.

Linux distro/version and kernel version
Ubuntu natty (development branch)
Linux cupid 2.6.37-8-generic #21-Ubuntu SMP Sun Dec 5 17:57:05 UTC 2010 i686 
GNU/Linux
model name  : Mobile AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2800+
cpu MHz : 800.000

** Affects: gnome-panel (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New

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[Bug 689377] Re: Panels fail to appear on Gnome startup on Averatec notebook running 11.04 alpha1

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** Attachment added: current apt-show-versions output
   
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/689377/+attachment/1763969/+files/versions2010-12-12.txt

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[Bug 689377] Re: Panels fail to appear on Gnome startup on Averatec notebook running 11.04 alpha1

2010-12-12 Thread Peter Belew
I tried a brief test of Safe Mode instead of Classic mode. The panels
appear properly in Safe Mode, but not (necessarily) in Classic (Gnome)
mode.  I just tried 3 times:

Safe Mode: Panels ok
Classic Mode: only bottom panel
Safe Mode: Panels ok.

Just logging out between tests, not rebooting.

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[Bug 689377] Re: Panels fail to appear on Gnome startup on Averatec notebook running 11.04 alpha1

2010-12-12 Thread Peter Belew
The behavior is the same as in comment #2 after rebooting.

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[Bug 526862] Re: Gnome often logs off when doing `su -` from gnome-terminal

2010-11-29 Thread Peter Belew
The reason there has been no activity (on my part) is that I experienced
endless problems with Ubuntu, and gave up and installed Debian Lenny
instead, which works fine.

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[Bug 371516] Re: Rhythmbox music status not shown by Pidgin

2010-10-20 Thread Peter Belew
This works properly in Ubuntu 10.10

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[Bug 662960] Re: Add Wallpaper dialog in the Change Desktop Background shows files in reverse order (LUCID and MAVERICK)

2010-10-18 Thread Peter Belew


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[Bug 662960] [NEW] Add Wallpaper dialog in the Change Desktop Background shows files in reverse order (LUCID and MAVERICK)

2010-10-18 Thread Peter Belew
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: gnome-control-center

When I try to add a background image, the Add Wallpaper dialog shows
files and directories in reverse alphabetical order - Z before A for
example. I have noticed this since installing Lucid on my Dell netbook,
and the problem persists after upgrading to Maverick 10.10.

For example, UbuntuLinuxSlide.png shows before AnzacHarbour.jpg with
several files between, in reverse alphabetical order. This is the
reverse of the order shown by Nautilus in the same directory.

Ubuntu version and kernel version
DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
DISTRIB_RELEASE=10.10
DISTRIB_CODENAME=maverick
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION=Ubuntu 10.10
Linux mini 2.6.35-22-generic #34-Ubuntu SMP Sun Oct 10 09:24:00 UTC 2010 i686 
GNU/Linux
model name  : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270   @ 1.60GHz
model name  : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270   @ 1.60GHz
cpu MHz : 1333.000
cpu MHz : 1600.000


This is a Dell Inspiron Mini 10 running the standard Gnome version of Ubuntu 
10.10.

ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.10
Package: gnome-control-center 1:2.32.0-0ubuntu2
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.35-22.34-generic 2.6.35.4
Uname: Linux 2.6.35-22-generic i686
NonfreeKernelModules: wl
Architecture: i386
Date: Mon Oct 18 14:11:02 2010
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Lucid Lynx - Release i386 (20100427.1)
ProcEnviron:
 PATH=(custom, user)
 LANG=en_US.utf8
 SHELL=/bin/bash
SourcePackage: gnome-control-center

** Affects: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New


** Tags: apport-bug i386 maverick

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[Bug 662960] Re: Add Wallpaper dialog in the Change Desktop Background shows files in reverse order (LUCID and MAVERICK)

2010-10-18 Thread Peter Belew
I've attached a screenshot.

While attaching the screenshot, I just noticed that the dialog for
attaching a file to this  bug report (viewed in Firefox) has the same
problem! So the problem is not confined to this package ...

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[Bug 662960] Re: Add Wallpaper dialog in the Change Desktop Background shows files in reverse order (LUCID and MAVERICK)

2010-10-18 Thread Peter Belew
Thanks - I never noticed that you can reverse the sort order by clicking
on 'name'. That solved the problem! Not a bug! It's odd that that came
up that way through my installation of Lucid through the upgrade to
Maverick! :)

Not a bug, just embarrassing user dumbness!

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[Bug 439448] Re: visual corruption affecting several panel applets

2010-06-18 Thread Peter Belew
There seems to be some confusion in the comments between the Indicator
Applet 0.3.7 and the Notification Area 2.30.0, both of which appear in
my panels, showing different applets. Is this problem occurring in both
container applets, or just one?

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[Bug 588042] [NEW] Unable to change cursors with Appearance Preferences dialog

2010-05-31 Thread Peter Belew
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: gnome-control-center

I am currently unable to change cursors or change cursor sizes (for
variable-size cursors) on my Dell netbook. This running 10.04 Lucid. I
had installed some additional cursor packages, then noticed I couldn't
change the cursors from Appearance Preferences. (This works well on
other systems I have running Lucid. All are kept up-to-date frequently).
I updated this system today.

Ubuntu version and kernel version
DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
DISTRIB_RELEASE=10.04
DISTRIB_CODENAME=lucid
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION=Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
Linux mini 2.6.32-22-generic #33-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 28 13:27:30 UTC 2010 i686 
GNU/Linux
model name  : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270   @ 1.60GHz
model name  : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270   @ 1.60GHz
cpu MHz : 1067.000
cpu MHz : 1600.000

Currently I have the Default, DMZ, redglass, and whiteglass cursors
installed, but I have tried adding and removing various cursor packages
since I observed this problem, with no effect.

This bug seems similar to Bug #150475, but that is around 3 years old,
so I suspect this is not a duplicate.

I'm attaching the output of apt-show-versions.

ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
Package: gnome-control-center 1:2.30.1-0ubuntu1
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-22.33-generic 2.6.32.11+drm33.2
Uname: Linux 2.6.32-22-generic i686
NonfreeKernelModules: wl
Architecture: i386
Date: Mon May 31 13:21:12 2010
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Lucid Lynx - Release i386 (20100427.1)
ProcEnviron:
 PATH=(custom, user)
 LANG=en_US.utf8
 SHELL=/bin/bash
SourcePackage: gnome-control-center

** Affects: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New


** Tags: apport-bug i386 lucid

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[Bug 588042] Re: Unable to change cursors with Appearance Preferences dialog

2010-05-31 Thread Peter Belew

** Attachment added: Installed package versions
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/49461367/apt-show-versions.txt

** Attachment added: Dependencies.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/49459377/Dependencies.txt

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-05-05 Thread Peter Belew
Karmic, up through any current updates, uses icons with numeric
subscripts indicating variants of the basic keyboards for a language.
Eliminating that feature (actually in a redesigned program) is a
definite regression.

By the way, I designed the original US-International layout for Windows
2.11 in 1987, for Olivetti and Microsoft. This was redesigned the next
year for Windows 3.0, with the advice of a Nokia engineer, to provide
Nordic language support. Visually indicating variant keyboard selections
has been an issue ever since. Recent XP versions use one icon or other
indicator to indicate the base language, and another to show variants,
when more than one variant is enabled.

Also XP provides a keyboard switching option something like control-
shift+number key to select various layouts, instead of toggling or
cycling through the enabled combinations. It's too easy otherwise to
enable the wrong keyboard, without the icon showing definitely which
layout is being used - this leads to confusion and typos.

There is a KDE keyboard indicator program, which I haven't tried - it
apparently has user-configurable icons. I don't know if that covers this
situation.

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-05-05 Thread Peter Belew
Thank you, Sebastien, I just subscribed to bug #546240

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-05-04 Thread Peter Belew
I just subscribed to this bug because I just noticed the behavior in the
keyboard indicator - it no longer displays different icons for variants
of the same country layout, as for USA, USA1, USA2. This change must
have occurred in the past few weeks, as I have been using alternate US
layouts for different languages for many years. Typically I have the
basic USA layout and a couple of different alternate USA layouts,
switching to the basic one when I'm typing in English.

On some systems, you can set up the scroll lock LED to show alternate
layouts, but that's not of great use when there are 3 or more layouts
set up. Also, on my Dell netbook there is no scroll lock flag in the
hardware or software, so that doesn't work. And it has no LEDs, so I
would have to set up the Lock Keys Applet, which in fact doesn't show
the nonexistent scroll lock flag.

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-05-04 Thread Peter Belew
Note that I just observed this today, in the released Lucid, updated up
to today, both on systems which had been installed during the alpha and
beta stages and on one which was installed afresh on 3 May 2010.

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[Bug 439448] Re: visual corruption affecting several panel applets

2010-05-03 Thread Peter Belew
I must say I sympathize with the previous comment.

Having said that, this is still happening. on various systems of mine,
with different display drivers: I don't think it's a display driver
issue.

Some have noted that this happens or persists after a system upgrade
where the home directory is preserved - so old dot-file configuration
options may still exist.

Has the upstream Gnome bug report been kept up-to-date?

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[Bug 517920] Re: gnome-appearance-properties no longer provides tooltips about background image names

2010-04-22 Thread Peter Belew
I will have to wait for the 10.10 release on one of my systems, then,
since it is certain that serious bugs affecting that, such as Bug
#495553, won't be fixed in Lucid.

Also, I don't consider this a 'cosmetic' bug - it's a functional bug. A
function has been left out in Karmic.

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[Bug 517920] Re: gnome-appearance-properties no longer provides tooltips about background image names

2010-04-21 Thread Peter Belew
This works correctly on Lucid. However there are serious display and
live-cd bugs in Lucid which keeps me from installing it in several
systems, so it would be really nice to port the changes back to Karmic.

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[Bug 439448] Re: notification area shows wrong icons. erratic behaviour

2010-04-06 Thread Peter Belew
This is still happening on my Dell netbook with the standard (not
netbook) version of Karmic installed, updated through this morning. It
just happened to me after I logged off and logged back in to Gnome.
There were duplicate volume-control icons. But then I looked away and
looked back a minute or two later, and the icons had redrawn correctly!
(My info is in Bug #555995, set as a duplicate to this one).

Runing 'top' shows me that compiz.real is running.

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[Bug 439448] Re: notification area shows wrong icons. erratic behaviour

2010-04-06 Thread Peter Belew
I re-logged-in again and now I have 2 battery icons right after logging
in - then a fraction of a minute later I have network-manager, battery,
and volume-control icons showing.

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[Bug 439448] Re: notification area shows wrong icons. erratic behaviour

2010-04-06 Thread Peter Belew
This is also happening to me when I first log on. I'm attaching an image
of the top right of my screen, after logging on to my Dell 10v netbook.
I'm running the standard Gnome version of Karmic, not a netbook remix.

Ubuntu version and kernel version
DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
DISTRIB_RELEASE=9.10
DISTRIB_CODENAME=karmic
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION=Ubuntu 9.10
Linux mini 2.6.31-20-generic #58-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 12 05:23:09 UTC 2010 i686 
GNU/Linux
model name  : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270   @ 1.60GHz
model name  : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270   @ 1.60GHz
cpu MHz : 1600.000
cpu MHz : 1600.000

Just now, the notification area reverted to its proper configuration,
showing the volume control, NetworkManager Applet 0.7.996, and the
battery indicator, left to right. So some task that's running frequently
refreshes the notification area display. I suppose this reduces the
severity of this bug to a mere nuisance!


** Attachment added: screenshot showing notification area with duplicate 
battery icon
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[Bug 439448] Re: notification area shows wrong icons. erratic behaviour

2010-04-06 Thread Peter Belew
As someone noted above, I've also observed that removing and re-adding
the notification area will generally restore the proper icons.

I notice that this has been seen in both Karmic and Lucid, by various
people.

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[Bug 555995] [NEW] Duplicate nonfunctional icons appear in Notification Area

2010-04-05 Thread Peter Belew
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: gnome-panel

Running Karmic, with icons appearing in a Notification Area (version
2.28.0) in the top panel, often one or another icon will be duplicate.
For example, right now the notification area shows the volume control
and TWO battery indicators. Only one of the battery indicator icons is
functional. I have seen this happen with the volume control and other
indicators as well.

This is on a Dell 10v netbook, with
Ubuntu version and kernel version
DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
DISTRIB_RELEASE=9.10
DISTRIB_CODENAME=karmic
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION=Ubuntu 9.10
Linux mini 2.6.31-20-generic #58-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 12 05:23:09 UTC 2010 i686 
GNU/Linux
model name  : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270   @ 1.60GHz
model name  : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270   @ 1.60GHz
cpu MHz : 800.000
cpu MHz : 1600.000

I am enclosing a screenshot of the upper-right corner of the screen.

ProblemType: Bug
Architecture: i386
Date: Mon Apr  5 13:22:48 2010
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 9.10
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala - Release i386 (20091028.5)
NonfreeKernelModules: wl
Package: gnome-panel 1:2.28.0-0ubuntu6
ProcEnviron:
 PATH=(custom, user)
 LANG=en_US.UTF-8
 SHELL=/bin/bash
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.31-20.58-generic
SourcePackage: gnome-panel
Uname: Linux 2.6.31-20-generic i686

** Affects: gnome-panel (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New


** Tags: apport-bug i386

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[Bug 555995] Re: Duplicate nonfunctional icons appear in Notification Area

2010-04-05 Thread Peter Belew

** Attachment added: screenshot showing notification area with duplicate 
battery icon
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/43190282/two-batteries-UR.png

** Attachment added: Dependencies.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/43189907/Dependencies.txt

** Attachment added: GConfNonDefault.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/43189908/GConfNonDefault.txt

** Attachment added: XsessionErrors.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/43189909/XsessionErrors.txt

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[Bug 517920] Re: gnome-appearance-properties no longer provides tooltips about background image names

2010-03-07 Thread Peter Belew
I've been meaning to report this myself for some time. It is rather
inconvenient if one wants to determine the name and location of a
background image in one's list of backgrounds, in order to repair or
modify the image, or in order just to find it for use on another system,
for example.

Earlier releases (Hardy, Jaunty) have this tooltip feature, and it seems
it has been restored in Lucid.

However, Lucid is still in its alpha and beta stages, and the current
versions in fact do not run properly on some of my computers. So it
would be desirable to put this feature back into the Karmic gnome-
control-center package.

This runs as

 gnome-appearance-properties --show-page=background

I assume the program stores the list of paths to the background
selections somewhere; the path to the current selection shows in
~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/background/%gconf.xml

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[Bug 517920] Re: gnome-appearance-properties no longer provides tooltips about background image names

2010-03-07 Thread Peter Belew
The list of backgrounds is stored in ~/.gnome2/backgrounds.xml

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[Bug 517920] Re: gnome-appearance-properties no longer provides tooltips about background image names

2010-03-07 Thread Peter Belew
The shell commands

grep filename ~/.gnome2/backgrounds.xml | sed -e 's/filename//g' | sed
-e 's/\/filename//g' | less

will show all the paths and filenames of the list of background images.

This will be of use if no change is made in Karmic to fix this problem.

I attached a script with these commands. It isn't *really a solution*,
but rather a workaround allowing users to find where their background
images are.

** Attachment added: Shell script to display paths of images in one's 
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[Bug 526862] Re: System often reboots when doing `su -` from gnome-terminal

2010-03-02 Thread Peter Belew
Yes, I have plymouth installed.
This is still happening as of the latest updates (10:24 am PST Tue Mar 2) It 
just happened as I ran the 'date' command in a shell window while updating this 
report!

Note that the OS doesn't reboot - the Gnome session logs off, so I have
to log in again.

** Summary changed:

- System often reboots when doing `su -` from gnome-terminal
+ Gnome often logs off when doing `su -` from gnome-terminal

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[Bug 526862] Re: System often reboots when doing `su -` from gnome-terminal

2010-02-24 Thread Peter Belew
** Description changed:

  Binary package hint: gnome-terminal
  
  Since 2010-02-22, approximately, when I try to `su -` from gnome-
- terminal, the system will often reboot as soon as I type the root
- password.
+ terminal, gnome will often restart as soon as I type the root password,
+ going back to the login screen.
  
  This is on Lucid alpha-2 updated up almost to alpha-3.
  
  This is on an Averatec 3280 laptop.
  
  Ubuntu version and kernel version
  DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
  DISTRIB_RELEASE=10.04
  DISTRIB_CODENAME=lucid
  DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION=Ubuntu lucid (development branch)
  Linux eros 2.6.32-14-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Sat Feb 20 05:38:50 UTC 2010 i686 
GNU/Linux
  model name: Mobile AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2800+
  
  ProblemType: Bug
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Tue Feb 23 21:52:18 2010
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx - Alpha i386 (20091209)
  Package: gnome-terminal 2.29.6-0ubuntu1
  ProcEnviron:
-  PATH=(custom, user)
-  LANG=en_US.utf8
-  SHELL=/bin/bash
+  PATH=(custom, user)
+  LANG=en_US.utf8
+  SHELL=/bin/bash
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-14.20-generic
  SourcePackage: gnome-terminal
  Uname: Linux 2.6.32-14-generic i686

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[Bug 526862] Re: System often reboots when doing `su -` from gnome-terminal

2010-02-24 Thread Peter Belew
This happened again after I booted the laptop this  morning. Also, I
corrected the description to clarify that the X server restarts, rather
than that the system reboots from scratch.

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[Bug 526862] [NEW] System often reboots when doing `su -` from gnome-terminal

2010-02-23 Thread Peter Belew
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: gnome-terminal

Since 2010-02-22, approximately, when I try to `su -` from gnome-
terminal, the system will often reboot as soon as I type the root
password.

This is on Lucid alpha-2 updated up almost to alpha-3.

This is on an Averatec 3280 laptop.

Ubuntu version and kernel version
DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
DISTRIB_RELEASE=10.04
DISTRIB_CODENAME=lucid
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION=Ubuntu lucid (development branch)
Linux eros 2.6.32-14-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Sat Feb 20 05:38:50 UTC 2010 i686 
GNU/Linux
model name  : Mobile AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2800+

ProblemType: Bug
Architecture: i386
Date: Tue Feb 23 21:52:18 2010
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx - Alpha i386 (20091209)
Package: gnome-terminal 2.29.6-0ubuntu1
ProcEnviron:
 PATH=(custom, user)
 LANG=en_US.utf8
 SHELL=/bin/bash
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-14.20-generic
SourcePackage: gnome-terminal
Uname: Linux 2.6.32-14-generic i686

** Affects: gnome-terminal (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New


** Tags: apport-bug i386 lucid

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[Bug 526862] Re: System often reboots when doing `su -` from gnome-terminal

2010-02-23 Thread Peter Belew

** Attachment added: Dependencies.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39695766/Dependencies.txt

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[Bug 507609] Re: gdm-simple-slave crashed with SIGSEGV in _XFlush()

2010-01-14 Thread Peter Belew

** Attachment added: CoreDump.gz
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37895751/CoreDump.gz

** Attachment added: Dependencies.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37895752/Dependencies.txt

** Attachment added: Disassembly.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37895753/Disassembly.txt

** Attachment added: ProcMaps.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37895754/ProcMaps.txt

** Attachment added: ProcStatus.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37895755/ProcStatus.txt

** Attachment added: Registers.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37895756/Registers.txt

** Attachment added: Stacktrace.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37895757/Stacktrace.txt

** Attachment added: ThreadStacktrace.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37895758/ThreadStacktrace.txt

** Visibility changed to: Public

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[Bug 495553] Re: Screen origin shifted to center, screen wraps, on Averatec 3280 with openchrome driver

2009-12-14 Thread Peter Belew
Yes, it's likely to be an xorg issue. The driver is 
xserver-xorg-video-openchrome, 
dpkg -s xserver-xorg-video-openchrome
Package: xserver-xorg-video-openchrome
Status: install ok installed
Priority: optional
Section: x11
Installed-Size: 556
Maintainer: Ubuntu X-SWAT ubunt...@lists.ubuntu.com
Architecture: i386
Version: 1:0.2.904+svn812-1ubuntu1
Replaces: libchromexvmc1, libchromexvmcpro1
Provides: xserver-xorg-video-6
Depends: libc6 (= 2.4), libdrm2 (= 2.3.1), libx11-6, libxext6, libxv1, 
libxvmc1, xserver-xorg-core (= 2:1.6.99.900)
Conflicts: libchromexvmc1, libchromexvmcpro1
Description: X.Org X server -- VIA display driver

When the resolution is 1024x768, the desktop appears as in the photo
whether or not there is an xorg.conf file installed. The principal
difference is whether or not the hardware cursor is enabled. With no
xorg.conf disabling the hardware cursor, the cursor moves from the
extreme left to the extreme right of the screen; in other words its
range is not the same as the virtual X position of other objects on the
screen. This applies to both the login window, and to the desktop after
logging in.

If the hardware cursor is disabled in xorg.conf, then the cursor
position coordinates are the same as the rest of the screen - shifted
half a screen width from the left edge of the screen, with the right
side of the screen wrapped to the left.

If resolutions other than 1024x768, such as 800x600, 640x480, etc, then
the X origin is shifted to some position other than the center of the
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[Bug 495553] Re: Screen origin shifted to center, screen wraps, on Averatec 3280 with openchrome driver

2009-12-14 Thread Peter Belew
The current openchrome driver is dated
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 333172 2009-12-07 08:15 
/usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/openchrome_drv.so

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[Bug 495553] Re: Screen origin shifted to center, screen wraps, on Averatec 3280 with openchrome driver

2009-12-12 Thread Peter Belew
** Summary changed:

- Screen origin shifted to center, screen wraps
+ Screen origin shifted to center, screen wraps, on Averatec 3280 with 
openchrome driver

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[Bug 495553] [NEW] Screen origin shifted to center, screen wraps

2009-12-11 Thread Peter Belew
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: gdm

I installed Lucid on the Averatec 3280 laptop from the Alternate CD on
10 December 2009. I then updated the system with apt-get several times.
On booting this morning, the logical screen origin was shifted to the
center of the screen. With some difficulty, I was able to log in, and to
try to find a solution.

After the original installation, my login screen was too large, so that
the login window was of center. It looks like some bugs have been
reported about that issue, such as #231555 and @214704; I haven't looked
at the details. I have had similar problems with earlier releases on
this laptop. However, once logged in, the screen resolution was correct
(1024x768 on this laptop's panel). Adding an xorg.conf file seemed to
cure the login screen size problem.

The split-screen problem only appeared this morning, after an update the
previous evening.

I will attach a photo of the screen and any further details a bit later
- it's a bit difficult to edit this report with the screen split with
the browser's left and right margins in the middle of the screen.

Also, I now get a blank screen when trying to ctrl-alt-F3 etc to a tty
console - this did not happen with the original installation of Lucid,
yesterday.

This problem makes the system virtually unusable!

DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
DISTRIB_RELEASE=10.04
DISTRIB_CODENAME=lucid
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION=Ubuntu lucid (development branch)
Linux EROS 2.6.32-7-generic #10-Ubuntu SMP Sun Dec 6 13:43:20 UTC 2009 i686 
GNU/Linux
model name  : Mobile AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 28

ProblemType: Bug
Architecture: i386
Date: Fri Dec 11 08:43:04 2009
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
InstallationMedia: Error: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 
'/var/log/installer/media-info'
Package: gdm 2.29.1-0ubuntu4
ProcEnviron:
 PATH=(custom, user)
 LANG=en_US.UTF-8
 SHELL=/bin/bash
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-7.10-generic
SourcePackage: gdm
Tags: lucid
Uname: Linux 2.6.32-7-generic i686

** Affects: gdm (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New


** Tags: apport-bug i386 lucid

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[Bug 495553] Re: Screen origin shifted to center, screen wraps

2009-12-11 Thread Peter Belew

** Attachment added: Dependencies.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/36698576/Dependencies.txt

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[Bug 495553] Re: Screen origin shifted to center, screen wraps

2009-12-11 Thread Peter Belew
I am attaching a photo of the screen. The red pointer on the left is at
the physical left side of the screen, but the logical left of the screen
is in the center, so the background lynx image is split. The hide
buttons for the top and bottom panels appear in the center of the
screen.

Note that the login screen is split the same way.

The system is using an openchrome driver.

** Attachment added: IMG_3925.JPG
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[Bug 495553] Re: Screen origin shifted to center, screen wraps

2009-12-11 Thread Peter Belew
I am attaching /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf.

The Xorg.0.log was generated when booting WITHOUT an xorg.conf file.


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[Bug 495553] Re: Screen origin shifted to center, screen wraps

2009-12-11 Thread Peter Belew
Here is an xorg.conf file which I used earlier when the issue was that
the boot login screen was too large - this problem was similar to an
earlier bug I reported on the same laptop, running earlier Ubuntu
releases: Bug #296142. With the initial installation of lucid, only the
login screen was the wrong size; then the screen was sized properly to
1024x768.

But now this split-screen bug has appeared. It appears that having
xorg.conf installed doesn't affect the new bug, one way or the other.

BUT it should be noted that when I try to switch to a console TTY, the
screen goes blank. Switching back to X with ALT-F7 DOES work however.
Before the split-screen bug appeared this morning, console TTYs worked
fine.

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[Bug 495553] Re: Screen origin shifted to center, screen wraps

2009-12-11 Thread Peter Belew
I tried an experiment: I put the xorg.conf file back in /etc/X11, but
changed 'openchrome' to 'vesa', and restarted. The screen ends up being
split the same way, with the left-hand part of the logical screen
showing in the middle, but the mouse pointer position is the same as the
logical position: e.g. moving the mouse all the way to the left or right
moves the pointer to the center of the screen, and I can actually click
on icons etc where they appear, instead of on the opposite side of the
screen.

Running the openchrome driver, the screen looks exactly the same, but in
order to point at something on the screen, I have to move the pointer to
the corresponding position on the opposite half of the screen.

In either case, the display has the left and right halves reversed,
which looks like an address bit inverted. With the vesa driver, mouse
position corresponds to screen position for other objects, while with
the openchrome driver, mouse position corresponds to physical position
on the display. Apparently cursors are handled differently by the two
drivers.

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[Bug 495553] Re: Screen origin shifted to center, screen wraps

2009-12-11 Thread Peter Belew
I changed the driver back to openchrome, and added

  Option SWCursor true

to the Device section for the display. Now the cursor appears as with
the vesa driver, making it easier to point at objects on the reversed
screen. I suspected the problem with the cursor position was due to
using a hardware cursor.

See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome#Problems and solutions

After this bug is fixed, I'll revert to the hardware cursor.

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[Bug 495553] Re: Screen origin shifted to center, screen wraps

2009-12-11 Thread Peter Belew
I notice that the right side of the screen is a pixel or so higher than
the left side - that can be seen where the ends of the top and bottom
panels meet in the middle of the screen.

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[Bug 453227] Re: gnome-appearance-properties crashed with SIGSEGV while trying to change cursor appearance

2009-10-16 Thread Peter Belew

** Attachment added: CoreDump.gz
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33790355/CoreDump.gz

** Attachment added: Dependencies.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33790356/Dependencies.txt

** Attachment added: Disassembly.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33790357/Disassembly.txt

** Attachment added: ProcMaps.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33790358/ProcMaps.txt

** Attachment added: ProcStatus.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33790359/ProcStatus.txt

** Attachment added: Registers.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33790360/Registers.txt

** Attachment added: XsessionErrors.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33790361/XsessionErrors.txt

** Visibility changed to: Public

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Re: [Bug 271138] Re: mouse and keyboard unresponsive when gdm first runs

2009-07-24 Thread Peter Belew
I have not, either, so I assume it is no longer a bug.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Martin Poolm...@sourcefrog.net wrote:
 I have not seen this on either of my machines for months, so it
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[Bug 371516] [NEW] Rhythmbox music status not shown by Pidgin

2009-05-04 Thread Peter Belew
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: rhythmbox

While playing music on rhythmbox, I can't get the current music title
etc. to show up on Pidgin.

The versions are the current ones in Ubuntu 9.09 as of 3 May 2009.

pidgin:
  Installed: 1:2.5.5-1ubuntu8
  Candidate: 1:2.5.5-1ubuntu8
  Version table:
 *** 1:2.5.5-1ubuntu8 0
500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
rhythmbox:
  Installed: 0.12.0-0ubuntu4
  Candidate: 0.12.0-0ubuntu4
  Version table:
 *** 0.12.0-0ubuntu4 0
500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

ProblemType: Bug
Architecture: i386
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 9.04
ExecutablePath: /usr/bin/rhythmbox
Package: rhythmbox 0.12.0-0ubuntu4
ProcEnviron:
 PATH=(custom, user)
 LANG=en_US.UTF-8
 SHELL=/bin/bash
SourcePackage: rhythmbox
Uname: Linux 2.6.28-11-generic i686

** Affects: rhythmbox (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New


** Tags: apport-bug i386

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[Bug 371516] Re: Rhythmbox music status not shown by Pidgin

2009-05-04 Thread Peter Belew

** Attachment added: Dependencies.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26301030/Dependencies.txt

** Attachment added: ProcMaps.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26301031/ProcMaps.txt

** Attachment added: ProcStatus.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26301032/ProcStatus.txt

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[Bug 371516] Re: Rhythmbox music status not shown by Pidgin

2009-05-04 Thread Peter Belew
This seems to be the same problem reported in bug #345742 with VLC and
pidgin, possibly the cause is the same. I'm not sure yet it's a
duplicate.

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Re: [Bug 371516] Re: Rhythmbox music status not shown by Pidgin

2009-05-04 Thread Peter Belew
This is the Music Tracker plugin for Pidgin.

On my 8.10 system, the Pidgin is version 2.5.2.
Rhythmbox is 0.11.6

This works on the 8.10 system.

For the version(s) on the 9.04 version of Ubuntu, this does NOT work.


On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 1:38 AM, Sebastien Bacher seb...@ubuntu.com wrote:
 there is no such option in default rhythmbox or pidgin that's not a bug

 ** Changed in: rhythmbox (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = Wishlist

 ** Changed in: rhythmbox (Ubuntu)
       Status: New = Invalid

 ** Changed in: rhythmbox (Ubuntu)
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Re: [Bug 371516] Re: Rhythmbox music status not shown by Pidgin

2009-05-04 Thread Peter Belew
It's a Pidgin plugin, actually. So the bug should probably be
transferred to Pidgin. A similar bug was reported on Pidgin under
8.04, but the music player was VLC. That person is upgrading to 9.04
now, and will update his bug report.

It was suggested that I report this directly to Pidgin developers, but
the bug report button on Pidgin reports to Launchpad, so I felt it was
appropriate to report my bug that way, and I don't know how to report
directly to Pidgin developers.

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Sebastien Bacher seb...@ubuntu.com wrote:
 whatever the option you are mentioning is that's not a rhythmbox option
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[Bug 297927] Re: [intrepid] X server fails to start properly on Jetway

2009-04-15 Thread Peter Belew
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 271138 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/271138

This appears to have been fixed in the Ubuntu 9.04 Beta release - that
worked fine on both the Jetway systems I have. Also an unreported
problem in which the systems didn't start with consistent screen
resolutions seems to have gone away.

I'm not sure that this was actually the same as the 'duplicate' bug -
this one seems to have been dependent on the particular hardware,
including the motherboard and CPU. What is the same is that changing the
priority of starting gdm was a factor in the 8.x releases.

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[Bug 259195] Re: Mouse pointer selection has become confusing under Gnome 2.22.3 under hardy

2008-08-21 Thread Peter Belew
Two cycles ago? This only appeared in Ubuntu LTS with the recent
release. So people using LTS have only had a few weeks to notice the
change, and possibly suggest changes.

Discussed at length? This did not involve Ubuntu LTS users, as far as I
know.

This hasn't appeared in Debian stable yet.

Despite the pointer setting being in the theme settings, it appears to
be global - a pointer change made in the current theme will stay when
the theme changes. Was the intention to associate the pointer with a
theme? If not, why connect pointer setting with themes?

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[Bug 259195] Re: Mouse pointer selection has become confusing under Gnome 2.22.3 under hardy

2008-08-20 Thread Peter Belew
See Gnome Bugzilla - Bug no. 537128 - 'mouse pointer themes missing' - I
added to that. I'll look for other existing Gnome bug reports as well.

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2008-08-20 Thread Peter Belew
I also filed a new usability bug on Gnome's Bugzilla, number 548714.

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[Bug 259195] Re: Mouse pointer selection has become confusing under Gnome 2.22.3 under hardy

2008-08-19 Thread Peter Belew
I mentioned above that I experienced a crash in Firefox while changing a
mouse pointer. Actually what I was doing was trying to start this bug
report and experimenting with changing mouse pointers from the theme
dialog, and trying to see what would happen if I changed the pointer in
one theme, then switched to another theme and change the pointer for
that. While doing that, Firefox crashed and I had to start the bug
report over again from scratch! I suppose I had 3 or 4 tabs open in
Firefox, at that point.

As for upstream reporting to Gnome, I have been going by their
statement, so far:

There's a lively community around GNOME and we're happy to help you if
possible. The following list points to several options you can choose.

However, GNOME interacts with a large number of other software
projects. In most cases, the Internet homepage of your distribution is
thus a better place to start. So we recommend that you first check the
support options of your distribution. 

I did point out above that this same problem is seen in other distros
with the same Gnome version, in particular with Fedora.

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[Bug 259195] [NEW] Mouse pointer selection has become confusing under Gnome 2.22.3 under hardy

2008-08-18 Thread Peter Belew
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: gnome-control-center

Selection of the mouse pointer has changed radically under hardy and
Gnome 2.22.3 - finding how to do this is un-obvious and obscure.

Also, pointer selection can crash Firefox. That happened to me while I
was attempting to file this bug report earlier - I had to start from
scratch.

Previously, mouse pointer selection was done in middle tab of the
SystemPreferencesMouse dialog, very logically. All that is left
regarding cursor (mouse pointer) selection is a checkbox allowing
control-key mouse finding.

In my confusion when I first encountered this change, I searched around
and found and installed the gcursor package. This provides a dialog with
appears to select the mouse pointer (it DOES display the possible
cursors), but it doesn't affect the selection. (Bugs such as Bug #138491
have been filed on this). However that particular bug report does give a
bit about the new, complicated way of selecting the mouse pointer.

The first way is with SystemPreferencesAppearance. The resulting
dialog Appearance Preferences has a Theme tab - on that, one can
select a theme and click on the Customize button, to bring up a
Customize Themes dialog, which has a Pointer tab, in which you can
select a pointer. (This is the first mention of 'mouse' or 'pointer' or
'cursor' in this series of actions).

I think that this is very confusing - I had to go to Launchpad and
search a bit to find this solution!

The Pointer tab should be put back in the mouse dialog! Alternatively,
the gcursor program should be fixed, but that really seems to just add
another selection to the SystemPreferences menu, quite unnecessarily.

** Affects: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New

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[Bug 259195] Re: Mouse pointer selection has become confusing under Gnome 2.22.3 under hardy

2008-08-18 Thread Peter Belew
This shows the 'hardy' mouse preferences dialog - with the pointer
selection tab removed.

** Attachment added: Mouse Preferences in 'hardy'
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[Bug 259195] Re: Mouse pointer selection has become confusing under Gnome 2.22.3 under hardy

2008-08-18 Thread Peter Belew
The second current way to get to theme (and thus mouse pointer)
selection, is to right-click on the screen background, bringing up a
menu which allows one to select Appearance Preferences in addition to
'Background' - one of  these choices is Theme which works as above.

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[Bug 259195] Re: Mouse pointer selection has become confusing under Gnome 2.22.3 under hardy

2008-08-18 Thread Peter Belew
This is a mouse preferences dialog from Debian 4.0 - with Gnome 2.14.3.

This is similar to the dialog in earlier releases of Ubuntu.

** Attachment added: Mouse preferences with pointer tab
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16910414/MousePreferencesDebian40.png

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[Bug 259195] Re: Mouse pointer selection has become confusing under Gnome 2.22.3 under hardy

2008-08-18 Thread Peter Belew
This is a screenshot of the Xcursor program from the gcursor package. It
displays the right stuff, but doesn't actually set the cursor, as
mentioned above and in Bug #138491.

** Attachment added: Screenshot of Xcursor
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16910492/Screenshot-Xcursor%20Selector.png

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[Bug 259195] Re: Mouse pointer selection has become confusing under Gnome 2.22.3 under hardy

2008-08-18 Thread Peter Belew
I just confirmed that the same behavior occurs with Fedora 8, with the
same version of Gnome. So this is a Gnome 2.22.3 issue.

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[Bug 259195] Re: Mouse pointer selection has become confusing under Gnome 2.22.3 under hardy

2008-08-18 Thread Peter Belew
I made a brief survey tonight among members of a LUG I am in.

One person tried to figure out how to change the mouse pointer, and gave
up after trying for a while.

His teenage son managed to find the dialog, with a fair amount of
prompting from me.

Another person, who is very familiar with Fedora and Redhat systems in
his professional work, tried on his Fedora laptop with the same Gnome
version (with slightly different Desktop menus), and also found it very
difficult to find the right dialog. He was very surprised the pointer
selection had been removed from the Mouse dialog.

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