[Bug 1067876] Re: [quantal] Missing Safely Remove Drive and Eject options from Quicklists. Only have Unmount.

2013-02-11 Thread Martin Pitt
** Changed in: udisks2 (Ubuntu)
   Status: Won't Fix = Triaged

** Changed in: gvfs (Ubuntu)
   Status: Invalid = Triaged

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[Bug 1067876] Re: [quantal] Missing Safely Remove Drive and Eject options from Quicklists. Only have Unmount.

2013-02-11 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Setting to fix commited, it will be fixed in raring once udisks 2.1
lands and gvfs is rebuilt with it

** Changed in: gvfs (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged = Fix Committed

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- [quantal] Missing Safely Remove Drive and Eject options from Quicklists. 
Only have Unmount.
+ Missing Safely Remove Drive and Eject options from Quicklists. Only have 
Unmount.

** Changed in: udisks2 (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 1067876] Re: [quantal] Missing Safely Remove Drive and Eject options from Quicklists. Only have Unmount.

2013-02-10 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: udisks
   Status: Confirmed = Won't Fix

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[Bug 1067876] Re: [quantal] Missing Safely Remove Drive and Eject options from Quicklists. Only have Unmount.

2013-02-04 Thread tecknomage
Lisa,

[Safely Remove] = eject + REMOVE POWER from USB device.

The 'remove power' is the main issue.  Removing/disconnecting ANY
electronic device with power still applied is dangerous.  This is the
reason for [Safely Remove] option for mounted USB sticks.

Without the [Safely Remove] option, the only way to SAFELY
remove/disconnect a USB stick is to shutdown your system first.

As I said before, the reasoning given for NOT putting [Safely Remove] is
bogus and dangerous thinking.  It is evidence that  those who made the
decision to remove the option are saying they are dumber than Windoz or
other Linux OS which HAVE the option.

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[Bug 1067876] Re: [quantal] Missing Safely Remove Drive and Eject options from Quicklists. Only have Unmount.

2013-02-04 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Thanks all for your interest to this issue, Ubuntu is neither writting
udisk nor responsible for that change, could one of you engage the
conversation with the people writing this software by opening a bug on
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=udisks ?

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[Bug 1067876] Re: [quantal] Missing Safely Remove Drive and Eject options from Quicklists. Only have Unmount.

2013-02-04 Thread Dražen Lučanin
OK, I've opened a bug upstream:

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60293

Please, everybody who is interested subscribe to that thread too (you
can add yourselves to the CC list and save changes, the beauty of having
10 different bug systems :).

** Bug watch added: freedesktop.org Bugzilla #60293
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[Bug 1067876] Re: [quantal] Missing Safely Remove Drive and Eject options from Quicklists. Only have Unmount.

2013-02-04 Thread Sebastien Bacher
 OK, I've opened a bug upstream:

thank you!

** Also affects: udisks via
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   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

** Changed in: gvfs
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[Bug 1067876] Re: [quantal] Missing Safely Remove Drive and Eject options from Quicklists. Only have Unmount.

2013-02-04 Thread Bug Watch Updater
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On 2013-02-04T19:46:44+00:00 Dražen Lučanin wrote:

A forward of bug 1067876 (
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udisks2/+bug/1067876 ) on
Launchpad:

In Ubuntu 12.04, I could right-click on my usb-external-harddrive's
Unity-Task-Bar icon (launcher icon) and select Safely Remove. Upon
doing this, the icon would disappear and I would proceed in unplugging
my external hard drive.

However, since upgrading to Ubuntu 12.10, this option is no longer
available in the context menus (Quicklists) for external drives.

Instead, all I see is Unmount, and after clicking Unmount the icon
remains on the task-bar (launcher) and no indication is given that would
imply that the unmount occurred successfully.

The intent of this report is to bring back the Safely Remove option
which (by making the icon disappear after selected) indicates that you
may now safely removal your USB external hard drive (by unplugging its
usb connector).

ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 12.10
Package: unity 6.8.0-0ubuntu2
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.5.0-17.28-generic 3.5.5
Uname: Linux 3.5.0-17-generic x86_64
NonfreeKernelModules: wl
ApportVersion: 2.6.1-0ubuntu3
Architecture: amd64
CompizPlugins: 
[core,composite,opengl,compiztoolbox,decor,vpswitch,snap,mousepoll,resize,place,move,wall,grid,regex,imgpng,session,gnomecompat,animation,fade,unitymtgrabhandles,workarounds,scale,expo,ezoom,unityshell]
Date: Wed Oct 17 14:55:17 2012
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Precise Pangolin - Release amd64 
(20120425)
ProcEnviron:
 TERM=xterm
 PATH=(custom, no user)
 XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=set
 LANG=en_US.UTF-8
 SHELL=/bin/bash
SourcePackage: unity
UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to quantal on 2012-10-04 (13 days ago)

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On 2013-02-04T19:47:39+00:00 Dražen Lučanin wrote:

Also, the safely remove option would recognise if the external drive had
multiple partitions and offer to remove the master device if I remember
correctly. Now I have to manually unmount four partitions on my 2 TB
external disk every time I want to remove it.

Expected behaviour - when it's detected that the user is ejecting a
partition that is on an external drive containing more partitions, it
should offer to safely remove the whole device. Alternatively there
should be two options upon right clicking a drive icon - unmount only
the partition and safely remove master device.

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** Changed in: udisks
   Status: Unknown = Confirmed

** Changed in: udisks
   Importance: Unknown = Medium

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[Bug 1067876] Re: [quantal] Missing Safely Remove Drive and Eject options from Quicklists. Only have Unmount.

2013-02-03 Thread Lisa Schmidt
Why not have Eject for USB sticks and other removable media, and Safely 
remove for external hard disks? For USB sticks and alike, Eject is alright, 
because it's usually safe. But for an external hard disk, it should be made 
more safe:
Clicking Safely remove should show a dialog window to confirm the action, so 
that users don't do this by accident.

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[Bug 1067876] Re: [quantal] Missing Safely Remove Drive and Eject options from Quicklists. Only have Unmount.

2013-02-03 Thread Arthur Tan
How does the system distinguish between USB sticks and external hard
drives (other than size)?

I've noticed that Nautilus actions do not trigger OSD notifications.
Removing external media by right-clicking within nautilus will not
generate OSD notifications.

The OSD notification behavior is not consistent. In 12.04 right-clicking
and Ejecting in the LAUNCHER triggers an OSD notification, but right-
clicking and selecting Safely-Remove in the launcher does not.

I think that any action on external media - from the Launcher or from
Nautilus - should generate OSD notifications whether its Eject, or
Safely Remove, or Unmount, etc.

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[Bug 1067876] Re: [quantal] Missing Safely Remove Drive and Eject options from Quicklists. Only have Unmount.

2013-01-04 Thread tecknomage
Jan,

The won't fix decision is not by users and IMHO is bogus.  Ubuntu
12.04 had the 'Safely Remove' feature and it worked. 'They *removed* it
in 12.10 version.

'They' are also saying that Windoz CAN have the feature but Ubuntu
cannot, which is BS.

By the way, I've tried Linux Mint and SUSE and both had the feature.

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[Bug 1067876] Re: [quantal] Missing Safely Remove Drive and Eject options from Quicklists. Only have Unmount.

2013-01-04 Thread Mircea Moldovan
You can use my bash script from command line or through a shortcut key.

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[Bug 1067876] Re: [quantal] Missing Safely Remove Drive and Eject options from Quicklists. Only have Unmount.

2013-01-04 Thread Mircea Moldovan
You can use my bash script from command line or through a shortcut key.

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2013-01-04 Thread Mircea Moldovan
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[Bug 1067876] Re: [quantal] Missing Safely Remove Drive and Eject options from Quicklists. Only have Unmount.

2013-01-04 Thread Mircea Moldovan
You can use my bash script from command line or through a shortcut key.

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[Bug 1067876] Re: [quantal] Missing Safely Remove Drive and Eject options from Quicklists. Only have Unmount.

2013-01-03 Thread Jan Tománek
Excuse me, is there any way it could get fixed in Ubuntu, evethough
Gnome guys decided they won't fix it? There surely must be a way to
recognise HDDs from card readers. A script that would do it is nice, but
needs more clicks, can't we just have the old feature back?

This Gnome approach to things makes me a bit angry and wishing bad
things to people.

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[Bug 1067876] Re: [quantal] Missing Safely Remove Drive and Eject options from Quicklists. Only have Unmount.

2012-12-21 Thread Olaf
So - we had this feature. And then it got removed to avoid rare problems and 
replace them with common problems?
(sigh)

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[Bug 1067876] Re: [quantal] Missing Safely Remove Drive and Eject options from Quicklists. Only have Unmount.

2012-12-13 Thread Xartsak
Safely Remove missing from ubuntu 12.10 qicklist ... 
do we have any solutions ... Unplugging any device while powered up is 
dangerous!

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Re: [Bug 1067876] Re: [quantal] Missing Safely Remove Drive and Eject options from Quicklists. Only have Unmount.

2012-12-07 Thread Dražen Lučanin
If there can't be a safely remove option, could you at least add an
unmount all partitions on device option or something similar so that
people don't have to right-click and unmount X partitions separately before
they can unplug the device? I'm guessing it can't be that hard to find
other partitions mounted from a certain device if one has been selected.

Anyway, from all the machines with Linux installed I've worked on over the
years I haven't once encountered an internally wired USB device and I have
to deal with my multi-TB external disks and their numerous partitions
daily. I think that a mistake of forgetting to unmount one of 6-7
partitions and causing the loss of data greatly outweights having to reboot
your machine if you accidentaly unmount an internally wired CD drive or
something.


On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 7:01 AM, Blair Zimmer bmaz...@gmail.com wrote:

 Martin Pitt (pitti) wrote on 2012-11-13: #13
 The safe remove functionality was removed from udisks2, and it's not
 planned to bring it back. It caused too much trouble with e. g. devices
 which are internally wired to an USB port, and you could never use them
 again until after a reboot. Also, having two options was a constant source
 of confusion. So I'm afraid this is wontfix from the distro side.

 Martin, There is myself and I am sure many others who find this
 justification unacceptable!  I have several systems in which devices
 are connected internally via USB headers/ports.  Yes, the option does
 exist, be it Ubuntu 12.04.1, Windows XP-7, etc. to safely remove these
 devices via a right-click, even though they are devices that would not
 normally require such action.  Examples of these devices are a wireless
 N network adapter, an internal media card reader with USB port, etc.
 Quite frankly, it comes down to a user exercising diligence when right-
 clicking on any device and knowing what device it is that they are about
 to safely remove beforehand!  Saying that it causes too much trouble for
 devices that would then require a reboot to use again is in my opinion,
 a cop-out!  It is a chance that most users would be willing to take, to
 err on the side of caution when it comes to properly powering down a
 device first before removing it!  If it is a choice between having the
 safely remove command available to remove a device properly by
 completely powering it down or not having the safely remove command
 available at all in an attempt to eliminate the confusion that exists in
 correlation to the eject/unmount commands while helping to prevent some
 users from accidentally removing the wrong device, I think the majority
 of users do not find it as confusing as you implicate.  I and others I
 am sure would rather have the option to safely power down our devices
 using the safely remove command and thus this is a request to have it
 formally reinstated.  This too, has prevented me from upgrading to
 Ubuntu 12.10!

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[Bug 1067876] Re: [quantal] Missing Safely Remove Drive and Eject options from Quicklists. Only have Unmount.

2012-12-07 Thread Daniel van Vugt
I have encountered internally wired USB devices in two cases:
  1. An old Thinkpad connected the internal optical drive via USB.
  2. An internal card reader that fits a 3.5 drive bay and connects to a USB 
header.
In both cases, a full Eject of the device rendered it unusable till next 
reboot.

But I agree they are rare and we should not be punishing everyone just
to avoid problems with such devices.

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[Bug 1067876] Re: [quantal] Missing Safely Remove Drive and Eject options from Quicklists. Only have Unmount.

2012-12-06 Thread Blair Zimmer
Martin Pitt (pitti) wrote on 2012-11-13: #13
The safe remove functionality was removed from udisks2, and it's not planned 
to bring it back. It caused too much trouble with e. g. devices which are 
internally wired to an USB port, and you could never use them again until after 
a reboot. Also, having two options was a constant source of confusion. So I'm 
afraid this is wontfix from the distro side.

Martin, There is myself and I am sure many others who find this
justification unacceptable!  I have several systems in which devices
are connected internally via USB headers/ports.  Yes, the option does
exist, be it Ubuntu 12.04.1, Windows XP-7, etc. to safely remove these
devices via a right-click, even though they are devices that would not
normally require such action.  Examples of these devices are a wireless
N network adapter, an internal media card reader with USB port, etc.
Quite frankly, it comes down to a user exercising diligence when right-
clicking on any device and knowing what device it is that they are about
to safely remove beforehand!  Saying that it causes too much trouble for
devices that would then require a reboot to use again is in my opinion,
a cop-out!  It is a chance that most users would be willing to take, to
err on the side of caution when it comes to properly powering down a
device first before removing it!  If it is a choice between having the
safely remove command available to remove a device properly by
completely powering it down or not having the safely remove command
available at all in an attempt to eliminate the confusion that exists in
correlation to the eject/unmount commands while helping to prevent some
users from accidentally removing the wrong device, I think the majority
of users do not find it as confusing as you implicate.  I and others I
am sure would rather have the option to safely power down our devices
using the safely remove command and thus this is a request to have it
formally reinstated.  This too, has prevented me from upgrading to
Ubuntu 12.10!

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[Bug 1067876] Re: [quantal] Missing Safely Remove Drive and Eject options from Quicklists. Only have Unmount.

2012-12-03 Thread Nick Hall
Some USB sticks have a light to indicate when they are powered.  In
12.04,  when Safely Remove was selected the light on the stick (and
USB hub if plugged into a hub) go off.  This is the expected behaviour.

There is no longer a Safely Remove option in 12.10.  If I select
Eject, neither the light on the stick or hub go off.  This doesn't
give a good indication to the user that the drive can safely be removed.

I also have a problem that a Lexar 64MB Jumpdrive (05dc:0080) will re-
appear on the launcher after I eject it.

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  [quantal] Missing Safely Remove Drive and Eject options from
  Quicklists. Only have Unmount.

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[Bug 1067876] Re: [quantal] Missing Safely Remove Drive and Eject options from Quicklists. Only have Unmount.

2012-12-02 Thread Daniel van Vugt
Actually, you have to unmount all partitions first to avoid filesystem
corruption. That's the one thing that is absolutely critical.

After that, yes, remove power if you can. However the reason why Gnome
is treating this bug as Won't Fix is because there are too many device
types that are unsafe to power down. Devices like optical drives and
card readers that look like internal devices to you, but to the OS are
USB devices in some cases. So Linux thinks they're safe to power down
(which you can't recover from without rebooting).

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[Bug 1067876] Re: [quantal] Missing Safely Remove Drive and Eject options from Quicklists. Only have Unmount.

2012-12-01 Thread tecknomage
Again, putting a drive to 'sleep' is NOT correct fix!

You have to REMOVE POWER first, to *safely* remove/disconnect a USB
drive.

That is what Safely Remove did in older versions of Ubuntu.

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[Bug 1067876] Re: [quantal] Missing Safely Remove Drive and Eject options from Quicklists. Only have Unmount.

2012-11-28 Thread Daniel van Vugt
I agree we could just:
  1. Unmount all partitions; and then
  2. Suspend the drive (put it to sleep).
That should be a safe way to remove the drive.

The main issue with this bug is that the Unity launcher is presently
tied to the Nautilus behaviour. So far we have only mirrored what
Nautilus would let you do. But we don't really need to. If there's a
safe way to shut down a drive without risking removing it (it may be an
internal device), then we should. But a better solution would be to keep
the smarts in the Gnome API so the same fix applies to Nautilus and the
launcher.

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