[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2009-08-17 Thread pescobar
I am using jaunty x86_64 and found a quick fix by just deleting
$HOME/.gconfd/saved_state

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2009-08-17 Thread Jean-François Fortin Tam
Afaict, the bootcharts are pretty old. It could be interesting if
someone could make new login bootcharts for current versions (gutsy?
really!?) such as Karmic and Jaunty. And perhaps with gnome-shell in
karmic too.

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2009-02-16 Thread Pedro Villavicencio
** Changed in: gnome-session (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-04-28 Thread Bug Watch Updater
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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-04-03 Thread Jean-François Fortin Tam
a (small) part of the problem *might* be due to the recent documents? I
have no idea if .recently-used.xbel is used during startup, but if it
is, it is possible that it contributes to making the login time worse.

http://jeff.ecchi.ca/blog/?p=317

Examples of performance decrease because of this phenomenon:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=512108
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=500772

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-04-01 Thread Greg Grossmeier
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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-03-18 Thread peddy
Here's my one, not completely sure how to read it. Hope it helps.

** Attachment added: gutsy-20080318-1.png
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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-03-18 Thread Sebastien Bacher
the bug is not a nautilus one

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-03-17 Thread Sebastien Bacher
You can install bootchart, move the init.d stop-bootchart somewhere
else, use autologin and run the stop-bootchart start manually after
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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-03-17 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Would be nice to try again on hardy beta and note if the issue is
resolved, we have been doing several changes recently:

- jockey and update-manager delay their update to no slow the login
- deskbar-applet is not in the default configuration and tracker indexing is 
not enabled by default
- gdm is doing preloading now

Those changes should make login quicker now

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-03-17 Thread Ricardo Pérez López
Thanks, Sebastien. I attach my bootchart I've generated following your
instructions. Hope this helps.

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-03-17 Thread Ricardo Pérez López
I'm glad to say that now, in Hardy, GNOME takes ~35 secs to load... It's
as fast (or better say, as slow) as Gutsy...

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-03-17 Thread Stevie
im not sure but i think the problem comes from GDM and not gnome.
when starting X via startx, i got the feeling that gnome boots much faster.
but i could be wrong...

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-03-16 Thread peddy
how exactly do I use the .diff file to patch it?

I know I need the source and need to use the 'patch' command, but that's
about all I know :P

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-03-12 Thread Patrice Vetsel
How can I patch bootchart (for gnome login time) ?

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-03-12 Thread Patrice Vetsel
Is this this patch in http://www.gnome.org/~lcolitti/gnome-startup/analysis/ 
that we should use ?
Is it possible to have an already bootchart packaged ?

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-03-10 Thread enigma_0Z
Added nautilus. I believe this is the offending application.

** Changed in: nautilus (Ubuntu)
Sourcepackagename: gnome-session = nautilus
 Assignee: Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs) = (unassigned)
   Status: Incomplete = New

** Changed in: gnome-session (Ubuntu)
Sourcepackagename: nautilus = gnome-session

** Also affects: nautilus (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-03-10 Thread enigma_0Z
Could someone try this for me:

open a console and do killall nautilus.

If it works (like it does for me), the whole desktop will freeze for
roughly the same time as when starting up.

I'm pretty sure that this is a nautilus issue, as my system freezes
right before nautilus comes up (no desktop icons), and when it
unfreezes, I get them back. I've hacked a workaround for this bug by
using the readahead trick here:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=565651

With this in place, it's not too bad. But there's a pause before GDM
comes up now (I'd imagine that readahead is  that chugging away
here...). After that pause, everything's pretty snappy though.

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Re: [Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-03-10 Thread Romano Giannetti

On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 18:30 +, enigma_0Z wrote:

 If it works (like it does for me), the whole desktop will freeze for
 roughly the same time as when starting up.

I tried it, but nautilus resumes in normal times... so it's something
else for me. 

I have a gut feeling:

I am trying kernel 2.6.25-rc, which works very well for my laptop, minus
the fact that sometime the gnome login fails with strange dbus messages:
http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10041 . Now the thing is that
when it happens, the login continues and I can enter gnome without my
setting, but _there is no delay_. So I suspect that the delay some kind
of timeout on dbus/socket interaction of gnome-settings-daemon.

Romano

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-03-10 Thread Pedro Villavicencio
I've created an image of the GNOME logging process with bootchart, I'm
attaching the image, hope it helps.

** Attachment added: bootchart graph of the GNOME logging process.
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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-03-09 Thread Ricardo Pérez López
It seems that Hardy is even slower than Gutsy... In my computer, Gutsy
took ~34 secs to load, but now Hardy takes ~1 minute. Almost twice!

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Re: [Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-03-09 Thread Kyle M Weller
Yes I agree, HARDY TAKES FOREVER TO BOOT! gosh! it really sucks lol,
but hardy looks nice tho :]

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-03-09 Thread Sebastien Bacher
could users having the issue try to get startup graphs similar to the
one sent before?

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-03-09 Thread Ricardo Pérez López
I'll be glad to send you those graphs. How can I generate them? Thanks.

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Re: [Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-03-09 Thread Kyle M Weller
yes I'll be glade as well, how can I graph my startup as well?

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-03-08 Thread Sebastien Bacher
did you read the graph correctly? it indicates that feisty login takes
15 seconds where gutsy takes 22 seconds and hardy 29 seconds

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Re: [Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-03-08 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Sebastien Bacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 did you read the graph correctly? it indicates that feisty login takes
 15 seconds where gutsy takes 22 seconds and hardy 29 seconds


Yes, but it has been the experience of a large part of this thread that
Gutsy is nowhere near only 22 seconds.  More like double that.  In my
experience, Hardy is faster than Gutsy.  It's definitely closer to Feisty
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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-03-08 Thread Sebastien Bacher
you have to consider that is a stock installation and that the machine
might be faster than yours, on a some years old a default gusty
installation takes around 26 seconds there

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-03-06 Thread Patrice Vetsel
Just for informations :
http://blog.kagou.fr/post/2008/03/06/Chronos-US-version

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-03-06 Thread dennda
Thanks for taking the time to make such comparisons.

I, however, cannot believe they are 100% correct. At least on my
machines (and all others I saw) feistys gdm-login was much faster than
gutsys...

regards

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-02-17 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Thank you for your work on that, those are useful informations we can
use to try working on the login speed

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-02-14 Thread Kai Schroeder

I have created a graph of a login to gnome in hardy using the method described 
here:
http://www.gnome.org/~federico/news-2008-02.html
I have applied the patch there to the ubuntu version of gnome-panel (I have 
actually dropped ubuntu patch 16_* because I was to lazy to have a look why 
that patch could not be applied to the instrumented source).

I have done the profiling using a freshly created user and I have
created the graph during the second login to that users profile. I have
stopped shortly after I had a usable gnome-terminal after about 60
seconds.

Looks like there is something strange going on with pulseaudio and esd
at the beginning of startup. Compiz wastes a large amount of time
finding out the current configuration using glxinfo and nvidia-settings.
There are lots of top_panel size requests, I have not yet looked what
that means exactly, though. It would also be interesting to know what
happens at second 26 - apt-cache and modinfo take a huge amount of time
there which is probably not needed at that point of time. I don't know
how useful this is, but perhaps someone gets an idea.

** Attachment added: startup graph
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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-02-14 Thread Leann Ogasawara
** Tags added: qa-hardy-desktop

** Tags removed: qa-hardy-list

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-02-14 Thread Kai Schroeder

And attached the strace logfile which I have used to create that graph. 

it says there for the esd pulseaudio wrapper
8107  1203029028.058727 read(18, [esd]\n# autospawning is not reco..., 4096) 
= 368


** Attachment added: strace gnome-session
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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-02-11 Thread sweetsinse
if you want it free youve got to be willing to spend some time wrestling
with it..

luckily ubuntu has worked very well on the several machines i have
installed it on, for myself and others.  however every single one of
them had quirks, some of which took a LONG time to figure out, and other
less serious ones i have yet to figure out.

the nice part about problems is it forces you to get personal with your
machine and actually learn what the computer is doing rather than simply
looking at a splash screen?

if you can, put ubuntu back on the machine, all updates, then make a
bootchart..  that little program was very useful in diagnosing problems
because it visually attaches the time elapsed to individual processes.
it has allowed me to explore the scripts in my system i did not even
know about.


sudo apt-get install bootchart


the charts (pictures) will be in /var/log/bootchart/

make one of those during the 5 minute wait and maybe we can visually see
the culprit in your specific installation.

another possibility would be to disable usplash altogether, so you can
see the output instead?  an easy way to accomplish this:


sudo apt-get install startupmanager


then look under System  Settings  Start-up Manager
good luck to ya

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-02-11 Thread Mike McWay
personally bootchart won't do anything for me since the problem is not
on booting but on gnome login.  I believe someone above was able to make
it work all the way through the desktop loading, but i don't think i
have the technical skills to make that work.  If there is an easier way
that you know of to analyze the gnome login please let me know and i
would be glad to find the problem.  however, until that time Gutsy will
continue to login to gnome in 2-3min for me.

hoping a clean install of Hardy will make this all go away in 2 short
months

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Re: [Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-02-10 Thread bereanone

On Feb 7, 2008, at 4:52 AM, Sebastien Bacher wrote:

 Those comments are not really constructive, there is no obvious bug
 there and the issues described might be a collection of different  
 things
 and incorrect user configurations. I did new dapper, feisty and gutsy
 installation on a non-too-new machine some days ago using the same
 partition and looked at the login speed there. Dapper takes 15 seconds
 from gdm login validation to an usuable desktop loaded, feisty takes  
 18
 seconds, gutsy takes 26 seconds. Without deskbar-applets in the
 configuratin there is almost no difference between feisty and gutsy.  
 The
 login is clearly slower nowadays but that's only some seconds on a
 default installation and can be explained by the features added since
 dapper. Now it's likely that some users run into differents bugs, but
 ideally whoever has the issue should try to look at if a stock user  
 has
 the same slowness, if not using tracker, deskbar-applet, compiz etc
 change the speed, etc and comment there

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Re: [Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-02-10 Thread bereanone
Your comments were not really constructive, helpful, or nor do they in  
anyway acknowledge a very real problem with an ubuntu installation  
gone very wrong.  It takes nearly 5 minutes to boot. Nothing that I  
have done changed any configuration other then stock installation.  I  
have enjoyed the look into the Unix world enough however that I  
decided to give Unix a closer look and finally bought a Mac.   
Hopefully with professional coordinated support I will not experience  
the same problems.  If the lack of support in the Ubuntu community  
breeds frustration in new users, it is hardly a fix for more  
experienced users to take the tack of less that constructive criticism  
of that frustration.  Reeling off benchmarks of seconds means  
absolutely NOTHING to those forced to wait nearly 5 minutes for THEIR  
particular machine to boot up.

On Feb 7, 2008, at 4:52 AM, Sebastien Bacher wrote:

 Those comments are not really constructive, there is no obvious bug
 there and the issues described might be a collection of different  
 things
 and incorrect user configurations. I did new dapper, feisty and gutsy
 installation on a non-too-new machine some days ago using the same
 partition and looked at the login speed there. Dapper takes 15 seconds
 from gdm login validation to an usuable desktop loaded, feisty takes  
 18
 seconds, gutsy takes 26 seconds. Without deskbar-applets in the
 configuratin there is almost no difference between feisty and gutsy.  
 The
 login is clearly slower nowadays but that's only some seconds on a
 default installation and can be explained by the features added since
 dapper. Now it's likely that some users run into differents bugs, but
 ideally whoever has the issue should try to look at if a stock user  
 has
 the same slowness, if not using tracker, deskbar-applet, compiz etc
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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-02-08 Thread bonsiware
sorry!
I posted in the wrong forum...

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Re: [Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-02-08 Thread bonsiware
some people have this problem since gutsy:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/128803

there's someone who has tricked with bootchart to let it log login process
too...

On Feb 8, 2008 4:10 AM, sweetsinse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 agreed that tip/link from Jean-François worked very well.

 i still get the flashing gnome-panels and am seeking a solution to that,
 the readahead hack sped everything up..  i would make a bootchart but i
 have changed things, but the blackout after my gnome-panels dissapears
 is less than 10 seconds now, nearly half the time.

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-02-07 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Those comments are not really constructive, there is no obvious bug
there and the issues described might be a collection of different things
and incorrect user configurations. I did new dapper, feisty and gutsy
installation on a non-too-new machine some days ago using the same
partition and looked at the login speed there. Dapper takes 15 seconds
from gdm login validation to an usuable desktop loaded, feisty takes 18
seconds, gutsy takes 26 seconds. Without deskbar-applets in the
configuratin there is almost no difference between feisty and gutsy. The
login is clearly slower nowadays but that's only some seconds on a
default installation and can be explained by the features added since
dapper. Now it's likely that some users run into differents bugs, but
ideally whoever has the issue should try to look at if a stock user has
the same slowness, if not using tracker, deskbar-applet, compiz etc
change the speed, etc and comment there

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-02-07 Thread cokelly
Thanks for that tip Jean-François: that has my time from login down to
~40 seconds. Most acceptable!

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-02-07 Thread Jean-François Fortin Tam
Seb, just out of curosity, what are your criteria for a usable desktop
loaded? Do you mean when everything (ie panel applets) is in place
*and* the hard drive is quiet? 'cause I based all my numbers on the
moment at which the hard drive stops hammering (since I think there is
no other way to get valid/reliable/consistent benchmark results).

Recently, I discovered a truly neat tutorial
(http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=565651) for manually using
readahead to cut down my login time to 14-20 seconds in gutsy, but it is
a hack on top of ubuntu, not a real solution (or at least, I would
prefer for ubuntu to do it for me:
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/login-readahead)

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-02-07 Thread Stevie
well, i read on ubuntuforums.org that this issue seems solved in hardy.
i guess there wont be a fix for gutsy.

concerning the gdm login...
id rather wait a bit more on the complete boot process than after the gdm login.
that readahead thingy had some positive impact here.
before i had to wait a minute til i could work, now its 29 seconds.
honestly, 1 minute is anacceptable. not even windows takes that long.

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-02-07 Thread sweetsinse
agreed that tip/link from Jean-François worked very well.

i still get the flashing gnome-panels and am seeking a solution to that,
the readahead hack sped everything up..  i would make a bootchart but i
have changed things, but the blackout after my gnome-panels dissapears
is less than 10 seconds now, nearly half the time.

very nice thank you.

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-02-06 Thread Stevie
hmpf, no solution yet? this is pretty annoying.

the devs seem not really to care...

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Re: [Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-02-06 Thread bereanone
Actually I gave up a long time ago. I went out and bought a mac.  At least
it's version of unix is supported.  Support from Ubuntu is a little sad...


On Feb 6, 2008 8:30 PM, Stevie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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Re: [Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-02-06 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
I've been using Fluxbox for the last couple weeks, but then, I don't think
this (borrowed) laptop would handle GNOME too well.  Mine needs to have a
lot of hardware replaced :(

On Feb 6, 2008 9:48 PM, bereanone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Actually I gave up a long time ago. I went out and bought a mac.  At least
 it's version of unix is supported.  Support from Ubuntu is a little sad...


 On Feb 6, 2008 8:30 PM, Stevie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  hmpf, no solution yet? this is pretty annoying.
 
  the devs seem not really to care...
 
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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-01-14 Thread Romano Giannetti
Hi all,

I have a very similar problem. After a bit of digging I found an entry
for 127.0.1.1 (notice: .1.1, not .0.1) in my /etc/hosts. I commented it
and now the gnome starts fast like in Feisty.

But: why that entry is needed? localhost is on 127.0.0.1, no? Since
1986, no :-)?

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-01-14 Thread Christoffer Sørensen
@Romano: tried your fix, didn't work.

I also tried Debian Lenny which has Gnome 2.20 also, and login takes
about 20 seconds compared to more than 60 seconds in Ubuntu Hardy.

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Re: [Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-01-14 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
You mean the one that tells your system's hostname?

On Jan 14, 2008 6:31 AM, Romano Giannetti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Hi all,

 I have a very similar problem. After a bit of digging I found an entry
 for 127.0.1.1 (notice: .1.1, not .0.1) in my /etc/hosts. I commented it
 and now the gnome starts fast like in Feisty.

 But: why that entry is needed? localhost is on 127.0.0.1, no? Since
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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-01-14 Thread Romano Giannetti
Yes: what normally there was (at least, when /etc/hosts was written by
hand):

127.0.0.1 localhost my_fancy_hostname_not_qualified_here

...and if you have a fixed IP:

127.0.0.1 localhost
10.1.2.3   hostname.domain

...and on our Debian server it's still like that.  This 127.0.1.1
thing is quite new for me. I do not know why it should make a
difference, but still, it's strange. I suppose an interaction with the
name service.

In effect (without any change, with the 127.0.1.1 entry in /etc/hosts):

(0)pern:~/www/DEAROOT% host 127.0.0.1 
1.0.0.127.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer localhost.
(0)pern:~/www/DEAROOT% host 127.0.1.1
Host 1.1.0.127.in-addr.arpa not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)

So there is a difference. Really puzzled.

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-01-14 Thread Romano Giannetti
OK, I was wrong. It did not fix the first login for me, just the second
and following one. On the first login after boot, entering in gnome is
slow as a crawl (20+ seconds). Sorry for the confusion. I will try to
dig this more (it didn't happen at all in Feisty).

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-01-13 Thread sweetsinse
i since ditched feisty and went back to messing with gutsy.  gutsy is in
all a very good developmental release and i hope to see splendiferous
things from hardy.

this time however i installed xubuntu.

i enabled compiz/emerald/NetworkManager, and have not had any of the
problems described herein.  i have read about a bug with compiz that
kills the (gnome?)panels as i described above--i still think this may be
an underlying issue for many.  on my specific machine, i can tell that
all applets/panels are loading, but i just cant see ANYTHING until they
are all completely loaded.  modified bootcharts confirm this.  i have
read that others compiling the most recent versions of compiz do not
encounter this either.

i installed gnome over the top of xubuntu and still the problem
persists.  i may compile compiz from git and see if that takes care of
it, not worried about upgrading to hardy, i always do a clean install.

peace

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2008-01-12 Thread David Dotson
So, does anyone have a fix for this problem yet? pepito seems to have
found something that works for him, but I'm not finding this compiz-
start thing anywhere. I myself am a relative newb to Linux, so any
step-by-step instructions would be greatly, greatly appreciated.

I'm sorry that I can't contribute anything further; all I can say is
that it takes a solid 30 seconds for the desktop to fully load after
login (with Compiz Fusion and AWN), and this is on a Dell Latitude D620
with 1 gigabyte of RAM and Intel Core 2 Duo processor @2.00 GHz. My
three-year-old Intel Celeron desktop loads Feisty's GNOME desktop in
exactly 18 seconds after login, with Compiz enabled.

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Re: [Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-19 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
That's what I have too, but I think if you comment out the part where it
picks between ccp and gconf, and you use ccp, then you don't get any of the
advanced configuration stuff. Actually, if you don't let either load, it'd
probably just freak out and not load because it wouldn't have any settings.

On Dec 19, 2007 4:34 AM, shz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 pepito,

 In my PC there is a /usr/bin/compiz script (not compiz.start).

 The only thing about gconf in the script is:

 # load the ccp plugin if present and fallback to plain gconf if not
 if [ -f ${PLUGIN_PATH}libccp.so ]; then
COMPIZ_PLUGINS=$COMPIZ_PLUGINS ccp
 elif [ -f ${PLUGIN_PATH}libgconf.so ]; then
COMPIZ_PLUGINS=$COMPIZ_PLUGINS glib gconf
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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-19 Thread shz
pepito,

In my PC there is a /usr/bin/compiz script (not compiz.start).

The only thing about gconf in the script is:

# load the ccp plugin if present and fallback to plain gconf if not
if [ -f ${PLUGIN_PATH}libccp.so ]; then
COMPIZ_PLUGINS=$COMPIZ_PLUGINS ccp
elif [ -f ${PLUGIN_PATH}libgconf.so ]; then
COMPIZ_PLUGINS=$COMPIZ_PLUGINS glib gconf
fi

Do I have to comment out this block?

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-18 Thread pepito
EDIT TO MY POST:

I was wrong:

gnome was not 15 secs, but 35 secs as many of you.
I updated the config, removed an env variable that was dodgy and also edited 
/usr/bin/compiz-start and removed in it the gconf option as it was telling me 
this was already set up.
Then I added to my gnome session this /usr/bin/compiz-start  and removed all 
other emerald/ compiz things from the Session menu.
Logged out
Login in 2 secs!

So the problem is in gconf I dare say... try to have a look
it seems that it is loaded twice?


Another thing I can t sort out:
a ps -ux tells me i m running the gtk-window-decorator --replace
i don t want this one to be used, but my emerald theme.

From a terminal, if i type emerald --replace, everything is just fine, 
perfect, as I want it to be.
But I can t add this in the Session Menu: it just not works, as if it were not 
there.
Any idea?


Many thanks! Hope I have helped somehow!

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Re: [Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-18 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
/usr/bin/compiz-start?  That file doesn't exist for me.  I'm not using gconf
bindings for my compiz either--I'm using ccsm's settings, so my compiz line
in ps -aef is
compiz.real --replace --sm-disable --ignore-desktop-hints ccp
--indirect-rendering


On Dec 18, 2007 11:28 AM, pepito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 EDIT TO MY POST:

 I was wrong:

 gnome was not 15 secs, but 35 secs as many of you.
 I updated the config, removed an env variable that was dodgy and also
 edited /usr/bin/compiz-start and removed in it the gconf option as it was
 telling me this was already set up.
 Then I added to my gnome session this /usr/bin/compiz-start  and removed
 all other emerald/ compiz things from the Session menu.
 Logged out
 Login in 2 secs!

 So the problem is in gconf I dare say... try to have a look
 it seems that it is loaded twice?


 Another thing I can t sort out:
 a ps -ux tells me i m running the gtk-window-decorator --replace
 i don t want this one to be used, but my emerald theme.

 From a terminal, if i type emerald --replace, everything is just fine,
 perfect, as I want it to be.
 But I can t add this in the Session Menu: it just not works, as if it were
 not there.
 Any idea?


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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-18 Thread Christoffer Sørensen
@pepito

Measure the login time after a doing a reboot first.

This has been mentioned a number of times in this thread.

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-16 Thread pepito
Hi guys
Hi Sebastien

Just for info:
I m using gentoo.


 $ sudo emerge --info
Portage 2.1.3.19 (default-linux/x86/2007.0/desktop, gcc-4.1.2, glibc-2.6.1-r0, 
2.6.22-gentoo-r2 i686)
=
System uname: 2.6.22-gentoo-r2 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz
Timestamp of tree: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 10:30:01 +
ccache version 2.4 [enabled]
app-shells/bash: 3.2_p17
dev-java/java-config: 1.3.7, 2.0.33-r1
dev-lang/python: 2.4.4-r6
dev-python/pycrypto: 2.0.1-r6
dev-util/ccache: 2.4-r7
sys-apps/baselayout: 1.12.9-r2
sys-apps/sandbox:1.2.18.1-r2
sys-devel/autoconf:  2.13, 2.61-r1
sys-devel/automake:  1.4_p6, 1.5, 1.6.3, 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.9.6-r2, 1.10
sys-devel/binutils:  2.18-r1
sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.3.16
sys-devel/libtool:   1.5.24
virtual/os-headers:  2.6.22-r2
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=x86
CBUILD=i686-pc-linux-gnu
CFLAGS=-O3 -march=pentium4 -pipe
CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu
CONFIG_PROTECT=/etc /usr/share/X11/xkb
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK=/etc/env.d /etc/env.d/java/ /etc/gconf /etc/revdep-rebuild 
/etc/splash /etc/terminfo /etc/texmf/web2c /etc/udev/rules.d
CXXFLAGS=-O3 -march=pentium4 -pipe
DISTDIR=/usr/portage/distfiles
FEATURES=autoaddcvs buildsyspkg ccache cvs distcc distlocks loadpolicy 
metadata-transfer sandbox sfperms strict unmerge-orphans userfetch userpriv 
usersandbox
GENTOO_MIRRORS=http://distfiles.gentoo.org 
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/gentoo;
MAKEOPTS=-j2
PKGDIR=/usr/portage/packages
PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS=--recursive --links --safe-links --perms --times --compress 
--force --whole-file --delete --delete-after --stats --timeout=180 
--exclude=/distfiles --exclude=/local --exclude=/packages 
--filter=H_**/files/digest-*
PORTAGE_TMPDIR=/var/tmp
PORTDIR=/usr/portage
PORTDIR_OVERLAY=/usr/portage/local/layman/sunrise 
/usr/portage/local/layman/science /usr/portage/local/layman/lila-theme 
/usr/local/portage
SYNC=rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage
USE=X a52 aac acl acpi alsa amr avahi avi beagle berkdb bitmap-fonts cairo cdr 
cli cracklib crypt cups dbus div4linux djvu dlloader dri dvb dvd dvdr dvdread 
dvi eds emboss encode esd evo exif fam ffmpeg firefox fortran gdbm gif glitz 
gnome gpm gstreamer gtk gtk2 hal hald howl iconv imagemagick imap ipv6 isdnlog 
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headers include info log_config logio mem_cache mime mime_magic negotiation 
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Controller/Host-Hub Interface (rev 01)
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Bridge (rev 01)
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USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 01)
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USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 01)
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USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 01)
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Controller (rev 01)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev 81)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL (ICH4/ICH4-L) LPC Interface 
Bridge (rev 01)
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00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) SMBus 
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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-13 Thread Pedro Villavicencio
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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-13 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
I have this problem too, but not just with GNOME.  In GNOME, the panels
don't load sometimes and alt+f2 doesn't work.  I use Compiz so if I hit
super+t to get a terminal, the GTK parts of the terminal never load (and
then it goes black because it's non-responsive and Compiz knows it).  If
I then log out and login with Enlightenment, Enlightenment also fails to
work right.  Starting anything in Enlightenment, I get the top bar of
the window glowing red, which is equivalent to Compiz dimming non-
responsive apps.  I have to reboot to get a GDM session that will let me
login to anything and actually works.

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-12 Thread boulderjams
I am still having the same problem as everyone else. I cannot pin point
this problem to compiz, network-manager or awn. I don't have many gnome
applets running either. Here is a copy of my .xession-errors.

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-10 Thread Christoffer Sørensen
Removing networkmanager didn't work for me.

Still 50 second login.

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-09 Thread Mathieu Laurent
Perhaps dependent of this bug ?

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/78263

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-09 Thread Christoffer Sørensen
Mathieu Laurent:

My laptop is connected to the same network all the time, so that bug is
the cause of this bug.

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-09 Thread Christoffer Sørensen
correction: *not* the cause of this bug.

@Seb: even though edgy login is slower than Arch, it is difficult to
compare when it was another kernel, gnome version etc.

Gutsy definitely has a regression.

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-08 Thread Sebastien Bacher
there is a duplicate comment suggesting that network-manager is creating
the issue, could whoever has the issue try if uninstalling it makes a
difference there?

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-08 Thread Jeff Fortin
Oh yeah and I forgot to mention that of course all these tests were done
~empirically (cold boot, one thing changed at a time). The second 34
seconds! time is, of course, not significative compared to no network
interace configured.

Furthermore, removing compiz + awn reduces the login time by 5
additional seconds (much less than I thought; I thought it would chop
off 15 seconds).

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-08 Thread dennda
I am not perfectly sure that it is network-managers fault either.
I properly removed it but the difference wasn't that huge.
I still need to check that on other systems, though.

Isn't there any proper way to tell which process takes how long during login?
If that was possible we could easily find out what is making this huge 
difference (that needs to be fixed as far as I am concerned).

Any hints on that?

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-08 Thread Jeff Fortin
Holy COW! That guy nailed it! As much as I *love* network manager, I
never *suspected* it at all.

Here are my benchmarks on my desktop computer. It uses a DHCP wired network 
interface.
 with network-manager =
splash start to login ready: 32.48 seconds
login to fully loaded*: 51.07 seconds

 without network-manager, no network interface configured 
splash start to login ready: 31.30 seconds (not significative)
login to fully loaded*: 34.44 seconds!

 without network-manager, DHCP interface configured manually 
splash start to login ready: 32 seconds (not significative)
login to fully loaded*: 34 seconds!

*: no hdd scratching and all panel applets loaded
There needs to be some serious profiling done here.

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-08 Thread Ricardo Pérez López
Sorry, but the fix didn't work for me. I tried removing network-manager
 network-manager-gnome, but GNOME takes the same time to load fully...
:(

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-08 Thread Sebastien Bacher
there is a duplicate comment suggesting that network-manager is creating
the issue, could whoever has the issue try if uninstalling it makes a
difference there?

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Re: [Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-08 Thread Raymond Y
Actually I am having the same problem too...
From GDM login until my desktop is fully loaded, i takes about 40 seconds.
I spent whole day trying to find out the problem (including following the
instructions in the bug report) but none work for me...

Jeff, 34 seconds is still considered a long login time in my opinion, edgy
loaded much faster than this. Actually, my desktop with gusty loaded much
faster than my laptop.

On Dec 8, 2007 10:40 PM, dennda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am not perfectly sure that it is network-managers fault either.
 I properly removed it but the difference wasn't that huge.
 I still need to check that on other systems, though.

 Isn't there any proper way to tell which process takes how long during
 login?
 If that was possible we could easily find out what is making this huge
 difference (that needs to be fixed as far as I am concerned).

 Any hints on that?

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-07 Thread Mike McWay
thats one way to do itmaybe devs will realize how annoying this can
be.

this bug needs instructions on how to approach self-diagnosing the
problem.  many people have removed all applets with no results.
sweetsinse seemed to do an extremely thorough job and suggested it may
be a problem with the compiz script used by ubuntu.  has this been
explored by any developers knowledgable in this area?

looking at bootchart doesn't mean anything to me, if i go through the
trouble of patching and installing it to analyze login will someone take
a look?  first though, how do i do that?

I for one use both compiz and deskbar as i have since edgy, and i've
still noticed a good 15-30sec jump in login time since moving from
feisty.  removing them doesnt seem to change much, but when you're
talking about 45sec login vs 60sec its still waaa too lng.

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-07 Thread Sebastien Bacher
The issue is not to realize how annoying the bug can be, it's to get
useful datas on what is creating the slowness. The code used is mostly
the upstream one and the issue is likely to happen on other distribution
using GNOME 2.20, switching distribution is not going to fix anything
and let to an another set of issues

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-07 Thread Mike McWay
to the contrary, YES, switching to other distros also running Gnome 2.20
has made a big difference to some of the users above.  I believe one
person tried Arch linux with more panel aplets and still had 10sec less
than Ubuntu.   Then as you saw, anibal switched to Mandriva and seems to
not have the problem anymore.  So to both Sebastien and Ricardo, YES it
does make a difference.  this is an Ubuntu specific problem, How do I
help?

have not tried the feisty kernel, but do not have the  time right now to
test that

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-07 Thread Ricardo Pérez López
1. Has anybody tried downgrading the kernel version, using the Feisty kernel in 
Gutsy? Is there any difference in the startup time?
2. Has anybody tried another distribution that uses GNOME 2.20, as Ubuntu Gutsy 
does? Is there any difference in the startup time?

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-07 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Trying to look at the KDE startup speed difference could also be useful,
maybe the issue is not a GNOME one

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-07 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Those user comments are not clear. Are mandriva users running GNOME? Do
they have compiz fusion activated or not? Does it make a difference to
not run it on Ubuntu? Did they use the same user configuration?

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-07 Thread vwingate
I have switched to KDE from Gnome because Gnome was taking too long to
start up, and this did fix the problem for me. So I think it is a
problem related to Gnome. In either case Compiz didn't make a
difference.

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-07 Thread Ricardo Pérez López
I don't know if edgy already had the issue, but feisty is considerably
faster than gutsy, and I think the issue is about the regression from
feisty to gutsy.

Maybe feisty is abnormally fast comparing with edgy  gutsy?

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-07 Thread Christoffer Sørensen
On average it took 38 seconds using the beta (trackerd disabled, no
deskbar applet).

However, with the latest updates it takes about 50 seconds.

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-07 Thread Ricardo Pérez López
Christoffer, what time takes GNOME in your gutsy to load fully?

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-07 Thread Christoffer Sørensen
Since the gnome-session starts gnome processes, how can it not be
related to gnome?

I have used Arch Linux with the 2.6.22 kernel and it logged in in 20
seconds, about 10 seconds less than edgy and even less than gutsy.

Removing compiz in ubuntu does not make a difference.

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-07 Thread Mike McWay
i agree, do remember a good drop in time with feisty as well, which
would make this a regression more than anything.  not as comparable to
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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-07 Thread Sebastien Bacher
do you consider that edgy already had the issue then and that's not
something gutsy specific there?

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-06 Thread Frank McCormick
Same problem here...but take a look xt my xsessions errors file.
Interesting.


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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-06 Thread anibal
I just want to say i have fixed !!

What i did ?

I have disabled the whole UBUNTU  replaced for a working fine by
default linux distro.. Mandriva 2008.

Im out of this bug repport

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-04 Thread Sebastien Bacher
 seb128, do you know how we can help you to solve this bug ?

try to figure why it's slow for you, maybe remove applets, don't use the
desktop effects and note if that's quicker

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-04 Thread Ricardo Pérez López
I forgot it: I tried removing restricted-drivers-manager, tracker daemon
 bluetooth manager from GNOME startup, without luck.

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-04 Thread Ricardo Pérez López
I tried removing applets, removing desktop icons, disabling nvidia
driver, disabling desktop effects... but I only got 3-4 secs of
difference...

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-03 Thread sweetsinse
i just installed hardy alpha 1...problem persists in the same way.
again gnome panels appear right away just like feisty, only to be near
immediately killed, then reappear 10+ seconds later.  occurs in the same
way as gutsy, but maybe to be expected since this is only alpha 1.

i will be reverting to virgin feisty install until hardy final.

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-03 Thread Sebastien Bacher
downgrading the version is not likely going to make the new version be
quicker

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-03 Thread Christoffer Sørensen
I have tried to strace gnome-session as stated in
http://live.gnome.org/GnomePerformance/LoginTime

The session died quickly, so this approach didn't wok.

I added a new session type in /usr/share/xsessions/ and replaced 'gnome-
session' with 'strace -ttt -f -o /tmp/login.strace /usr/X11R6/bin/gnome-
session'

This works fine but strace keeps running even after login. If you kill
strace, then you'll get logged out and have a nice log file in
/tmp/login.strace

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-03 Thread shz
I have found this link in the compiz fusion forum that seems to speak
about the same problem:

http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=337highlight=login+slow

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-03 Thread Ricardo Pérez López
shz, I tried disabling my nvidia driver, using the nv one instead,
therefore disabling the hardware support, so compiz doesn't loads during
GNOME startup... but GNOME takes the same time to load, then (~34 secs).

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[Bug 128803] Re: [Gutsy] very slow gnome startup

2007-12-03 Thread #Reistlehr-
For me, if i disable the nvidia driver, gnome does not slow on boot.
Only when the driver is initialized, do i experience problems.

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