[Bug 192629] Re: "Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately?" on NTFS / VFAT partitions
** Changed in: glib Status: New => Expired -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 Title: "Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately?" on NTFS / VFAT partitions To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/glib/+bug/192629/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: "Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately?" on NTFS / VFAT partitions
ubuntu 17.10 same issue -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 Title: "Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately?" on NTFS / VFAT partitions To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/glib/+bug/192629/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
The solution of mounting the ntfs partition with uid=1000 and gid=46 (46=plugdev) allows to use the trash only for the first user (uid=1000). However if there are more users it does not work for them. Even if they are included in the pludev group and all the permissions are given to the group and a .Trash-1001 folder is created, there is no access to the trash for user 1001. User 1001 can manually write into the .Trash-1001 folder (which belongs to 1000:46). However deletion of a file (from nautilus menu) is immediate. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 Title: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/glib/+bug/192629/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
The solution proposed in #8 works ok for me. Thanks a lot. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 Title: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/glib/+bug/192629/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
You must add uid=1000 and gid=1000 to resolve this problem. Change the FSTAB file like shown below. /dev/sdb1 /media/SONGS vfat defaults,users,umask=000,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 1 /dev/sdb5 /media/BACKUP vfat defaults,users,umask=000,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 1 /dev/sdb3 /media/FILES40NEW vfat defaults,users,umask=000,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 1 Save the file and restart the computer. Create a folder called .Trash-1000 in the root of these partitions. Now, when you delete a file from these VFAT partitions, the files will move to Trash directly. reference http://ubuntuissues.wordpress.com/2008/06/19/cannot-move-files-to-trash/ -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 Title: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
** Changed in: glib Importance: Unknown = Medium -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
Hi, touristguy87, not sure what you mean by this But I just checked, using Ubuntu for a proper view of the files. The Windows XP Recycler folder does indeed use different subdirectories for different logon users. So if I'm not mistaken, there appears to be a LOGICAL reason, and not just a security reason, why Linux has difficulty supporting the Windows Recycle bin (since no Windows logon user is defined). Regardless of what this bug is about, VFAT would appear to be a different problem than NTFS, since VFAT does not distinguish between users. -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
Since this bug is long since triaged, another bit of bug spam probably won't hurt. This bug report is a mess. I notice that the original report is about vfat. I missed that the first time, since many of the comments are about ntfs. Not the same animal. Ntfs has a recycle bin for each user in the Windows file system. Since Linux has no access to the Windows file system, I don't see how it could know which Windows recycle bin to use. That's probably not a bug. Vfat is an altogether different matter, since it has no user access restrictions. I don't know if there's a bug here somewhere, but I'm not going to try to find out. I'm pretty sure there are some user support issues here with mount and fstab, which are both rather complicated. There's also a matter of etiquette. Just because you think there's a bug doesn't mean that someone is obligated to make your computer work for you the way you think it should. If anyone still has questions about this, you'll probably do better to discuss it in the forums. -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
...comments like this from developers are why Linux will never be taken seriously as a business OS. Comments like this from users are why IT professionals will never take users seriously. -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
I'm not sure I have the exact same bug, but better post here before starting a new one I guess. - I also have the can't access trash problem when trying to delete an image from eog from an NTFS drive (where I have write permission everywhere). - Nautilus is however able to delete the exact same file, from the exact same place (i.e. the NTFS mounted drive). I don't know what Nautilus does with the file however. AFAI can see, the file is simply deleted, because I can't find it in my usual trash nor in the RECYCLER dir in the NTFS drive, and don't see any folder which would have been possibly created by nautilus on the root path of the NTFS drive for that purpose (as it does on my USB keys). It would seem appropriate, IMHO, that eog does the same thing when I ask it to delete a file than Nautilus does. I am not sure that Nautilus' apparent choice of permanently deleting the file without asking is the best choice, but that seems to be a difficult discussion I don't want to enter into... And if the Nautilus choice is well thought, every gnome application should have the same behavior I guess... And, finally, anything would probably be better than the current situation (can't delete). I am running Ubuntu 9.04 up to date. (FYI, my problem seems to be exactly like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eog/+bug/42571, at least from a user point of view.) -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
touristguy, If you read your own bug report, you will see that you can actually delete files from an NTFS or VFAT partition without issues. -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
Wow, it looks that this bug is solved ? I just tried the following on Ubuntu 9.10: - mount my NTFS partition - put 1 image file and one music file in my NTFS partition - open them with Rhythmbox and Evince - put them in the trash via these applications. It works ! (maybe because the partition is not automatically mounted ?) Everybody confirms it is solved ? -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
that just papers over the problem with a dirty, stupid piece of paper. It says, ok, because of some abstract security concern that say 5,000 people have, who don't at any point in time work on your system, we are consciously not going to allow you to delete these files from this drive at this time. The core issue here is that the only reason that this is a problem is that the partition format is ntfs vs vfat or whatever. That's all there is to this. The solution is to mount the drive in a way that gives the user access to the drive that is consistent with all other drives. If the only problem is someone's abstract security concern realize that their opinion is just as likely to be a PROBLEM as a solution. Just as it is here. At least, that's the SENSIBLE solution to a bug that should never have been a problem in the first place not to mention a year after I filed a bug report on it. At this point I'm tempted to just delete this entire bug report for the fact that too many people involved in this have their heads 6 feet up their asses! In the list of problems that I can think of with Ubuntu this is a minor issue yet the fact that it has yet to be resolved? I can see why there are such problems in the first place! Your opinion as to whether or not I should be allowed to delete a file on my own system is ENTIRELY IRRELEVANT. Unless the user is clearly prohibited from doing so because of the mounting configuration, please get the hell out of the way and go away. Now the question becomes how exactly do you, as OS programmers, handle mounting various formats, by default, to the Ubuntu desktop, knowing that, by default, out of legitimate security concerns, the user is likely not logging in as root but still very likely actually owns all the media associated with the system not to mention the files on said media? That is the SOLE question here that is of any merit. And the sheer fact is that if I'm sitting here on my Ubuntu laptop and I have an external drive formatted in NTFS that I formatted on another system and I have files on it that I created and put on that media that I want to delete? I want to delete them. Now. Period. How you get from point A to point B is not my concern as long as you get from point A to point B, not take a huge long detail to point C which is where your head is somewhere deep in the recesses of your colon, and then never actually bother to get to point B because you feel that it isn't what's really important. What's really important to you is having your head lodged near point C in a warm and comfortable manner. Is that clear? Jesus Christ!!! It's like you guys are doing everything that you can do to make it clear that if you really want to use a user-friendly yet competent PC OS, Ubuntu is not the way to go. If for no other reason than it is a window into the colons of the creators. -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
In other words stop putting your security concerns above the issue and solve it! If you want to keep your smelly security concerns next to your heart, FINE but SOLVE THE PROBLEM. Otherwise the user has one more good reason to just rip the OS off and revert to Windows. What about your security concerns then? Keep this up and you will have the most secure OS that no one uses. A frigging YEAR now, at least, I posted this bug. Still an issue! Good Grief! Let me think. Ok I have a hard drive attached to my PC. I'm running Ubuntu. Ubuntu says that because it would be insecure to allow this, we can't just allow normal users to delete files from an NTFS partition by default. Hm, so if I'm a dastardly user with criminal intent how do I get around this, hm. Gee, those default-configuration security restrictions are so effective at stopping me from accessing and even deleting those files. Whoops, I can access them just fine. I just can't DELETE them. You pinheads are arguing about whether the barn door should be allowed to be closed by a generic farmhand by default long after the horses have left the barn, or whether the farmhand should have to go and fetch the owner just to get the door closed, on the sheer basis that maybe just fing maybe the owner wouldn't want the farmhands to be able to close the barn door after the horses have been let loose, but *would* want them to be free to open the door and let the horses out in the first place. How freaking stupid can you get. -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
I definitely agree, that would be a good improvement. I wish also a simple way to desactivate this security restriction. -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
I have a suggestion that may help. Why not just inform users a little better. The error message could say something like, ...cannot move the file to the trash can for security reasons. Do you want to delete anyway? (Add the words for security reasons.) That would at least give the user an explanation, and a hint that there is a good reason. I think most users would accept it then. The way it looks now, it appears as if something is just broken. This would be a cheap solution, or partial solution, but it would require another bug report. Would it work? Discussion? -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
Adding uid=1000,gid=1000 to the mount options solves this for me (on a single user machine). Ditto. I have two users on mine, and it works just like I want. BTW, there was no problem with a vfat flash drive. The only problem was when this drive was a hd partition. I believe that a partition like this should be treated the exact same way that a flashdrive is when inserted. There should be a trash can, so you don't have to risk completely loosing your data b/c you hit the wrong button or your mouse frizzed out for a second. This would be better than Windoze. Micro$oft has a trash option for fat32 partitions, but not for media such as flash drives. -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
Adding uid=1000,gid=1000 to the mount options solves this for me (on a single user machine). UUID=uuid /media/data ntfs-3g utf8,umask=007,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 2 -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
the bugzilla URL is in the table at the start of the webpage for this bug -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
I totally agree with Andrew Simpson (what he wrote on 2009-04-10). It is a bug, no matter how you put it. Particularly since it was not there before ( 8.04, I think). If this is not the right place to post this, trying to get it fix (by the kind volunteers), please let me know where should I go. Thanks. -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
Sebastien, then please include a link to the bugzilla bug in your comment. That will help people to negotiate the issue in a more productive way. re: Security concerns dont really exist with trash folders on shared drives: If you delete a file that was public on an ntfs drive, you expect it to go to your trash, and will expect it to still be public, and if you really want to get rid of it you will know you have to empty your trash I don't agree with this. As a user I don't want my files becoming public just because I delete them. Of course that may be what happens (and if so then I should be made aware of this due to the security implications) but still. I agree that this is not a straightforward problem from a security standpoint. But there is a straightforward *solution* from a security standpoint. Just create a trash folder for each user. To raise the old how is it done in Windows? hairshirt, think about that. Just what happens if a person with user priviledges deletes a file? It goes into a *common* trashcan. Does that change the privileges of the file? Probably not. If that's not an issue but the OS crowd doesn't want to follow that model, then just create separate trash cans for each user. Be consistent. -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
Re: NTFS files becoming 'public' when deleted. The NTFS file system does not recognise the concept of file ownership. So any file, no matter who 'owns' it, can be seen by all users if they know where to look. (I believe some windows versions have file ownership implemented from the operating system level, but this is of course meaningless if you're not running windows when you access the file.) -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
I just tried changing the mount of the ntfs partition to gid=1000. For me, using 9.04, this did not change the behaviour of trash at all. That is, I can only delete from the ntfs partition. This behaviour is one of the reasons I don't promote ubuntu to others. -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
you should really discuss on the bugzilla bug where people writting the code will read your concerns and not only distributions bug triagers -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
I still think these should be the default mount options for external NTFS drives. After all, that's how windoze treats them, and consequently nobody expects an NTFS drive to be secure. LOL! Come on people Don't turn this into a Windows vs Linux battle. Just fix the damm bug. The volume format shouldn't matter. You start changing the mount options to fix this problem, you're going to break something else. Why isn't the trashcan user-neutral or user-specific or whatever works here? -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
this also is nonsense:
i suggest using .trash-{user}, and having the contents of that folder
appear in the relevant user trash:// folder. if the admin cares about
security of files it will be obvious that no files should ever be stored
on the ntfs drive (or get rid of the drive), if the admin lets the users
store file on this drive, then it is clear that the admin is relying on
trust between the users when dealing with files on...
don't assume that someone who doesn't know as much as you do agrees with
you about what they are doing.
In fact you shouldn't ever assume that another person agrees with you about
what they are doing.
In this case the issue is plain and simple. Putting one of my image
files in the trash merely by hitting the delete key when I'm looking at
the image in the viewer. This has nothing to do with a security issue
and no assumptions about security should be made! I just want to delete
one of my files on an NTFS partition without having to go into another
app to do it, not open that drive up to malicious files.
Forget all this! Just don't even think about this at all. How do I fix
this app so that it will move an open image to the trash, if the image
is on an NTFS partition which is apparently the problem, assuming one
thing: that the image isn't write-protected, that this isn't an issue of
file-rights. Period. End of issue.
If it's an issue of file-rights I will be happy to chmod the entire
drive.
Thah is not the problem when it tells me that the trash cannot be found.
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[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
That's not the permission of the file you are deleting which matter but the ones from the trash directory. The issue when this directory is not owned by your user is that other users can see things you have deleted which can be a security issue. Please don't tell me that the people who are responsible for fixing the bugs in Ubuntu are this stupid. Anything can be a security issue. It doesn't matter whether the user owns ANY directory on the machine ANYWHERE. The point is that they want to delete a file that they have write access to, and they can't do it. That's it. That's all. It doesn't matter who owns the file...who owns the directory...who else can see the file, or the directory. The fact that I'm the only user on a single-user workstation is irrelevant here. Anyone who can open the file and write to the file should be able to delete it, regardless of whatever the partition type is, regardless of whatever app they use to delete it. -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
touristguy87 - Please don't comment unless you have anything constructive to say that will help fix the bug. Your comments are unhelpful, rude and disrespectful. To maintain a respectful atmosphere, please follow the code of conduct - http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ . Bug reports are handled by humans, the majority of whom are volunteers, so please bear this in mind. -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
Your opinion is noted, but as I replied to you by email (and I do believe that this is helpful to ask you again here): What level of respect and politeness should we give to stupidity? There comes a point where the problem is not that *I* am rude or disrespectful, it is that so many of the people involved with this are just plain stupid. What's your solution? -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
and beyond that I think that my comment was extremely helpful and it's dismissive of you to say otherwise. -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
I've been following this bug pretty much forever now, and I have to say I think touristguy is not being rude or disruptive, but is bang on the mark. The discussion was wondering off track and needed pulled back to the point. Talk of admins granting permission to users, choice of file systems etc is irrelevant. When I (admin and single user on 3 machines) hit the delete key, I want the file (created, owned and writeable by me) to be sent to the trash can. I don't care if it's on my external ext3 hard drive, my reiserfs home partition or my vfat SD-based camera. The fact that this doesn't happen is a bug. Let's not get bogged down in silly rants about security, inexperienced users and other systems but, as touristguy said, let's get this silly, long running and extremely irritating bug fixed. 2009/4/10 touristguy87 touristgu...@yahoo.com and beyond that I think that my comment was extremely helpful and it's dismissive of you to say otherwise. -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of a duplicate bug. Status in The G Library - GLib: New Status in “glib2.0” source package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Trying to delete files with nautilus from a vfat partition fails. Well, the file can be deleted OK, but it seems gvfs can't send the file to the trashcan, so only permanent delete is available. Furthermore, the name of the file appears in little boxes, similar to viewing a chinese site using Latin-1 encoding (will attach screenshot). Distro: Hardy up to date (17-february 2008) Steps to reproduce: Copy a file to an vfat partition. Select it and delete using nautilus. A message error will appear: Can't move file to trashcan. Do you want to delete it inmediately? File little-boxescannot be moved to trashcan Versions: Nautilus 1:2.21.91-0ubuntu2 gvfs 0.1.7-0ubuntu4 /etc/fstab for the vfat partition: UUID=9445-A956 /fat32 vfatdefaults,utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 1 -- http://www.monthofsaturdays.net -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
..I also suggest that if a solution runs through creating a personal (and secure) trashcan for the user who is attempting to delete the file (again assuming that they have the proper properties with respect to the file), then please do that. If it involves resolving a chmod mismatch then please do that. But changing the mount-options seems to be a big can of worms, unless...they really need to be changed, not just for this. If *that* is the answer then please do that. But whatever is done...please, let it be intelligent, well-though-out, and not cause more problems than it solves. ...and timely... -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
That uid=1000 means this partition is propriety of the first user. So, if you have two users, the first one can surely trash, the second... in some cases can't! This is idiot. The partition should be propriety of super-user, and trash should be possible for all users. I've been repeating this for a year. godmarck ha scritto: Hi, I'm pretty new to Ubuntu/Linux, but I think I'm pretty much getting the idea of all this,I've already made my transition from windoze to Linux and I'm pretty sure I'm not going back to the windoze pain. I got my solution by adding to my fstab the uid=1000 part, now I can happily trash files. But I just don't get something, this uid=1000 is like an option or something?? I know UID means User ID (probably) and that the 1000 is the first user's ID number... But what does it exactly do? look at my fstab /dev/sda4 /media/sda4 ntfs-3g rw,user=godmarck,uid=1000,defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0 Wasn't that part covered by the user=godmarck already? or that is to allow me to rw?? I'm pretty sure I've got some things there that are not needed at all. I'm not sure if this is the place to ask about this, but I'd appreciate any help. -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
Thank you Mat for your explaination. I am worried because I see no answer from people who could fix this, or know where to fix it. Is this bug correctly assigned to Gnome Bugs ? -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
Hi, I'm pretty new to Ubuntu/Linux, but I think I'm pretty much getting the idea of all this,I've already made my transition from windoze to Linux and I'm pretty sure I'm not going back to the windoze pain. I got my solution by adding to my fstab the uid=1000 part, now I can happily trash files. But I just don't get something, this uid=1000 is like an option or something?? I know UID means User ID (probably) and that the 1000 is the first user's ID number... But what does it exactly do? look at my fstab /dev/sda4 /media/sda4 ntfs-3g rw,user=godmarck,uid=1000,defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0 Wasn't that part covered by the user=godmarck already? or that is to allow me to rw?? I'm pretty sure I've got some things there that are not needed at all. I'm not sure if this is the place to ask about this, but I'd appreciate any help. -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
So did any one really find a solution, the solution of the french team crashed my ubunutu on another machine. I always try things on that test machine before doing it on my laptop. my uid is 1001, may be that was the problem, not too sure after that it won't even let me edit the fstab anymore... anyways, its just a test machine, so i just did fresh install on that one. UUID=XXXgrand chiffre XXX /media/Documents ntfs defaults,umask=007,gid=46 0 1 in UUID=XXXgrand chiffre XXX /media/Documents ntfs defaults,umask=007,uid=1000,gid=46 0 1 I use NTFS config to mount my drives, here's my fstab file # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # -- This file has been automaticly generated by ntfs-config -- # # file system mount point type options dump pass proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 # Entry for /dev/sda5 : UUID=63b5b045-05f1-4968-a305-a9017c33b28a / ext3 relatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1 # Entry for /dev/sda6 : UUID=46d99e69-024e-41e5-b78d-02c0f2310e5d none swap sw 0 0 /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0 0 /dev/sda2 /media/HP_RECOVERY ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0 /dev/sda1 /media/MainDisk ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0 I also read about some patch on some website, but have been looking around and no one seem to really come up with an understandable guide on how to do it... btw, i read someone say he's trying to switch to KDE, I am coming from Kubuntu, and its really much better than ubuntu, the only reason i stick with ubunutu, is because of the speed. Kubunut is Bloody slow... pls don't tell me its my computer, i make it fly with windows, why won't kubuntu do it, ubuntu did??? -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
no decision taken for this bug? someone working on it? i see no activity on http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=514697 :-( i think importance should be increased: this bug is a pain for new Linux users (who generally use a Win/Linux dualboot for a soft transition, with FAT or NTFS partition for Win/Linux doc exchange), as it prevents from deleting songs in Rhythmbox, pictures in EOG, files in Nautilus... Please warn them of the security problem (with an option for more security if you want) but don't make their transition to Linux a pain! One more point: as far as i remember, there wasn't this bug in Gutsy. Can someone confirm? -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
** Tags added: qa-jaunty-desktop -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
I agree with the two previous comments. NTFS is a Microsoft creation, Linux should not try and treat it 'better' than windows does - this is not Linux's problem. For the same reason FAT volumes are no longer checked every time, if windows doesn't do it neither should Linux. -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
I agree with Rocko (these should be the default mount options) and Mat (ONLY WARN the user of security risks thrashing on NTFS, but NON avoid it.). Even if this solves the issue only for the first account created (I didn't check for other accounts), I think it's much BETTER than the current situation! -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
Adding uid=1000 will only solve the issue for the first account created, by default given user id of 1000. So how can the same approach be made to work for all users? -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
That is exactly what I say! The solution is SO SIMPLE: O.S. should ONLY WARN the user of security risks thrashing on NTFS, but NON avoid it. As it was just a year ago. I'm saying this for months. This is treating users like stupids as a nanny, as windows does. I just hate it! I came to linux just because I hate it, and now linux is transforming into windows! Argh! Duncan Lithgow ha scritto: Adding uid=1000 will only solve the issue for the first account created, by default given user id of 1000. So how can the same approach be made to work for all users? -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
You can also specify these options for an external USB drive or partition: Open Places / Computer and select Properties for the partition (volume) in question. Then on the Drive or Volume tab you can specify the options you want in the Mount Options text box, eg umask=000,uid=1000. Once you unmount and remount the partition, trash starts working correctly. I still think these should be the default mount options for external NTFS drives. After all, that's how windoze treats them, and consequently nobody expects an NTFS drive to be secure. -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
I confirm the solution found by the French team: edit the /etc/fstab file, and change: UUID=XXXgrand chiffre XXX /media/Documents ntfsdefaults,umask=007,gid=46 0 1 in UUID=XXXgrand chiffre XXX /media/Documents ntfs defaults,umask=007,uid=1000,gid=46 0 1 Then reboot and the Trash works again for your NTFS partition ! -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
I still have this bug in Intrepid. I use a NTFS partition for all my data (pictures, documents, songs) in order to use them both with XP and Ubuntu. This bug is really painful for new Ubuntu users: it prevents from deleting songs in Rhythmbox, pictures in EOG, files in Nautilus... Please warn the user with a simple message (and why not a security option to choose in the Administration menu), but DON'T make his first Ubuntu experience a PAIN ! -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
This bug is related to #268152. In this other bug, you cannot delete your images if they are located in a NTFS partition. And, what's even worse: you don't have the option to erase directly (like pressing Shift-Del). -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
There is a hackish solution for this, without having to go into the fstab, at least in Intrepid. THIS ONLY WORKS WITH INTERNAL NTFS DRIVES. First, mount the ntfs drive by clicking it in Nautilus. Once you've done this, go to computer:/// in nautilus, right click on the drive, and go into the drive section, mount settings. There, on the mount options, add uid=1000 without commas. Unmount and remount using nautilus. If you get errors the first time, just use dolphin to mount cleanly, unmount, second time it should work like a charm. And yeah, nautilus at this is far worse than dolphin. Rant: another thing which makes me wanting to switch to KDE4 for good, ASAP. -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
I dual boot and my home folder is in another partition, I am the only one using this computer. Not having the files go to the trash is actually REALLY BAD for me. Even when I decide to delete windows I will still keep all files in the other partition for easier upgrades in the system. Please fix this bug. I totally agree with aaron. If it is a security risk the the user should be told this in the delete prompt as a warning. Only having a permanently delete option as has been stated will cause some frustration when people realise later that they can't get their files back. -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 192629] Re: Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions
The current behaviour is just plain silly in my opinion. If the file system doesn't support 'proper' permissions that's none of our business. That's the file system I choose to use, I know it's limitations. It's all fine for the Linux world to try and solve this - but it's not a *nix problem. It's a windows one. I think it would be wrong to implement something which makes users feel that VFAT has something that it doesn't. ** Summary changed: - Cannot send files to trashcan from an ntfs partition + Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions ** Tags added: ntfs vfat -- Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately? on NTFS / VFAT partitions https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192629 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
