Re: [Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2010-03-23 Thread Shawn Reist


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[Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2010-03-23 Thread Angelos Vlassopoulos
How can I do these changes on Karmic's Grub2? There is no menu.lst
anymore

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Re: [Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2010-03-23 Thread mlx
Grub now uses binary configuration format, which has to be generated
from a text file. The text file is /etc/default/grub. Edit it, then
run update-grub.

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[Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2010-03-22 Thread Olaf Geibig
So it worked for me. I added these two parameters to my kopt line in
/boot/grub/menu.lst as described in post #233

elevator=noop pci=routeirq

It's still not a speed king but it doesn't take ages now.

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[Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2010-03-21 Thread Pi
I believe this is the same bug, I asked in the ubuntuforums.org and
someone told me to post my discoveries here:

Whenever I plug-in my USB 8gb pendrive to copy a large file, it takes
eons.

Using Ubuntu 9.10 for AMD64.

At first it copies a file at high speeds, because it's not actually
writing to the USB but to the cache; at 500-700mb, the write cache is
full and flushes, *while* still copying the rest of the file. Since the
system is trying to access the USB in two different places at the same
time, the transfer speed bunks down, often to 200-300kb/s. The final
process, instead of taking 2 minutes, takes one hour. This continues
until 1.4gb, when the cache finishes the flush, the copy can continue
streamlined and the last 200-300mb are copied again at quicker speeds.

I've made a test, copying a 1.6gb file to the USB and waiting for the
cache to get full. Once it happens, I copy another file of the same size
to the USB at the same time, when it starts copying I cancel the
previous copy - cancelling it could take 1-2 minutes, but once it's
cancelled, the second copy goes amazingly quick since the pendrive
doesn't have any access troubles anymore. However, that means for the
trick to work that I can't copy four 1.6 files to the 8gb pendrive, but
only three. The fourth one would need an hour unless I start copying it
just before the first three finish so the write cache is still not in
use or something like that.

IMHO the problem is using the cache in certain USB drives. For example
the same problem happens with my usb-connected HDD; but due to its
faster access time, the slowdown is less noticeable and disappears
quickly. The low access time in usb pendrives makes the slowdown due to
the cache to last for too long to be bearable.

I hope this clarifies the situation; sorry if this has been mentioned
before but I didn't have time to check such a long bug report before
adding my own experience.

Is there simply a method to disable cache (or lower it to a minimum) to
an already mounted device?

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[Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2010-03-21 Thread Ulrich Lukas
Pi, this is consistent with my observations.

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[Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2010-03-18 Thread Digital5700
echo 10  dirty_writeback_centisecs
echo 10  dirty_expire_centisecs

Now it should basically write to the stick continously instead of every
3000 centisecs (30 secs).

I learned when I found that transferring terabytes through my gigabit
results in 30s long pauses, then 80mb/s for a few seconds and then
another pause.

The same principle should be applicable to usb sticks, although it won't
explain why usb harddrives are much faster...

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[Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2010-03-01 Thread gdneil
Hello  Just commenting on the same problem - which for me also
appeared with external USB hard drives  Transfer rate slowing down
with large files.

Tried all of the suggestions...

-Starting with pci=routeirq helped a little maybe?
-Turning off image preview in Nautilus might have helped a little?
-Reformatting externals (flash and HDs) to ntfs instead of fat helped the most
-Recompiling the latest ntfs-3g helped a little more

And then in frustration, I installed Debian(Squeeze) on an extra
partition and timed transfers of big files of different types (fat32,
ntfs, ext3, ext4) and found that Debian was much much much faster in all
cases.  Unfortunately though, I seem to have lost the notes with my
actual timings   Not sure if this helps, but hope it might... the
problem (for me at least) seems to be coming from the Ubuntu side...

I've used Ubuntu since 8.10 and it has always been slower at
transferring files than Windows, but 9.10 was significantly worse.  Kind
of useable with the mods above, but nowhere near debian.  Tried putting
some of the relevant debian packages into my ubuntu installation, but no
luck (and not enough knowledge/experience in these things I admit) but
maybe a possible direction?  For now though, finding myself more often
booting Debian.

All the best,
-Neil

Toshiba Libretto U100
1gb RAM, lots of external HDs

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[Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2010-03-01 Thread kasrawis
same problem here :( seems to be bugs in kernal, slow copying :(

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[Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2010-03-01 Thread RishiRamraj
gdneil, kasrawis:

Have you tried setting elevator=noop as per post #233?

all:
I suspect that there might be no singular cause for this problem. If I find the 
time, I'll try to weed through all of the bug reports (including duplicates) 
and identify the suspected causes, platforms affected and proposed workarounds.

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[Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2010-02-20 Thread Fail2Ban
** Tags added: kernel-bug

** Changed in: gvfs (Ubuntu)
   Status: Invalid = Confirmed

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[Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2010-02-20 Thread Mitch Towner
Setting this task back to invalid.

@ Fail2Ban: Please do not change the status of tasks without commenting to 
advise why you have done this.
Thanks in advance!


** Changed in: gvfs (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2010-02-04 Thread tonyo
I have this problem too.  HP Pavilion (Core 2 Quad, 3 GB RAM,
2.6.31-17-generic x86_64)

I was unable to use dd to write a memstick image to a Sandisk USB stick.
It was crawling to a virtual stop before reaching 40% complete. I hope
my observations will help to solve this problem.

My first observation was that I could use dstat output to anticipate the
slow down and then press Ctrl-Z to suspend the dd so that the write
buffers could drain. Carefully nursing the transfer along resulted in a
successful and quick copy.

My other observation was that I could work around this problem using the
oflag=direct option to dd, which presumably bypasses the lazy write
buffering.

# dd if=sandisku3.dd of=/dev/sdh bs=256k oflag=direct
7839+1 records in
7839+1 records out
2055021056 bytes (2.1 GB) copied, 217.913 s, 9.4 MB/s

I think these observations suggest that the extremely high write backlog
(over 700MB Dirty in /proc/meminfo) causes a performance fall-over
when available memory resources become exhausted.

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[Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2010-02-03 Thread dooblem
I did all the following tests, and always the same problem : speed
decrease to 2-3 MB/s.

Thinkpad T42p + Ubuntu 9.10 + Linux 2.6.31-17-generic + Nautilus
Thinkpad T42p + Ubuntu 9.10 + Linux 2.6.31-17-generic + rsync
Thinkpad T42p + Ubuntu 9.10 + Linux 2.6.33-rc6 + Nautilus
Thinkpad T42p + Ubuntu 9.10 + Linux 2.6.33-rc6 + rsync

Thinkpad X31 + Archlinux + Linux 2.6.32 + Dolphin
Thinkpad X31 + Archlinux + Linux 2.6.32 + rsync

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[Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2010-01-29 Thread u356
Murz, thanks! Change queue to noop solve my problem without reboot. 
Now I have stable 8-9 Mbyte/sec with SD class 6 card.
This trouble affected my desktop (64 bit) and notebook (32 bit) Ubuntu 9.10 
installs.

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[Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2010-01-29 Thread u356
Update
After 10 Gbyte transfer to sd card speed is down again. Scheduler fix is not 
enought for me.

May be it would help for someone - 
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8653721postcount=29
yes its fixed, but not in the 2.6.31 kernel branch. I experienced the same 
problem you described when trying to copy files from my internal hard disk to 
either a usb external hard disk or a usb thumbdrive. the speed would start at 
about 30 MB/s then quickly drop down to 5 MB/s and sometimes get down to even 
1.5 MB/s. I thought it was pretty funny that i could download files from the 
Internet at 2.6 MB/s but couldnt even transfer them via usb that fast. It also 
spiked my CPU and caused my wifi to hang and disconnect as well.

Last night I installed the Linux 2.6.33RC3 kernel from:
http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa...e/v2.6.33-rc3/

I ran some tests and found that my USB file transfers ran at full speed
and did not drop like before. I should point out that I am running the
64bit kernel so i dont know if this issue exists with the 32bit kernel
or not.

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[Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2010-01-29 Thread Mudstone
** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged = Confirmed

** Description changed:

  When transferring large files (800meg) or even medium-size files (200meg), 
the transfer rate decreases constantly. It starts at around 4meg/sec and goes 
down to even less than 800kb/s. When I cancel the download and start it over 
again, the transfer rate comes back up to 4meg/sec.
  I am using Nautilus on Ubuntu 8.04 (hardy heron)
+ 
+ Bug Still Active up to release 9.10

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[Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2010-01-24 Thread Simon Holm Thøgersen
RishiRamraj:

You can see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DiskPerformance for
general advice on testing performance of a disk and reporting your
issue. Your snip from dmesg tells that you plugged in a USB 2.0 device,
but that is about what can be said from that information, so further
performance tests are certainly required.

Murz and Digital5700:

Your issues with noop as a much better scheduler than cfq are very
interesting, but I'm not sure what the best way forward is, bug #381300
and #131094 already exists without really going anywhere. If you can
make a good report with dstat numbers etc. and with the newest upstream
kernel compiled from git there should be a good chance of getting Jens
Axboe looking into the issue (he's the upstream kernel developer that
maintains the I/O scheduler subsystem).

alex123:
You should verify that your front panel USB connections are not USB 1.1, see 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DiskPerformance.

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[Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2010-01-24 Thread Murz
Simon Holm Thøgersen, I can try to do the reports, can you give me some 
step-by-step instructions and examples how I can do it better?
I can try to install new kernel and do some tests, if it will not too hard and 
long process.
At now I try deadline scheduler and see the problem again after copying about 
1.5gb to the flash. At start when copying first gb the speed was about 5-6 
mb/sec, but after 1.5gb slows down to 0.2-1.5 mb.
I have attach part of output  iostat -m 1 command at ~1.6-1.7 gb copied and 
speed is slow down in deadline scheduler.


P.S. I have found an easy way yo check current scheduler and switch it without 
reboot at http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-change-io-scheduler-for-harddisk/:
View Current Disk scheduler
# cat /sys/block/{DEVICE-NAME}/queue/scheduler
# cat /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler
Sample output:
noop anticipatory deadline [cfq]

Set I/O Scheduler For A Hard Disk
To set a specific scheduler, simply type the command as follows:
# echo {SCHEDULER-NAME}  /sys/block/{DEVICE-NAME}/queue/scheduler


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[Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2010-01-23 Thread alex123
I just had this problem re-appaer after I fixed it, see my commentsin
bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/334914;. Still
running with same hardware. Now I'm on 9.10 with kernel:

a...@alex-desktop:~$ uname -r
2.6.31-17-generic

After I installed 9.10 with its default kernel on release day, I
remember to have made backups to my 1TB USB2.0 drive that went at
expected speeds. Today I wanted to backup again and it started off fast
at ~35MB/s in nautilus but went to ~2MB/s after ~400MB was copied.
dstat showed it was writing at ~1.5MB/s.

The thing to note here is I connected it to the front-panel of my computer case 
which is connected to the motherboard. The case is an Antec 900, 
http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/product.php?id=MTEyOQ==;. Bought it 2 years 
ago so it may have undergone some revisions.
Next I connected the USB drive to the backpanel (USB port directly on 
motherboard) and now it had normal speeds again, dstat ~30MB/s-40MB/s.
The front panel has given me some troubles before since it seems that the slots 
on it do not always make a good electrical connection, resulting in the device 
not being recognised or disappearing. But my USB drive stayed reliably 
connected, just at slow speeds.
So now I'm wondering if there may be a technical difference in the front- and 
backpanel connections that limit the speed.

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[Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2010-01-22 Thread Digital5700
elevator=noop solved it for me also, but just as murz says: sometimes
under heavy disk activity (dd iso - empty sata drive) some parts of
Xorg will pause, sometimes for several minutes.

I can also see that noop writes to the usb drives without pausing.
Normal elevator writes for a few seconds, pause for 1.5 seconds and then
keep writing. Noop writes without pauses.

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[Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2010-01-21 Thread Murz
Setting elevator=noop solve the problem for me, the write speed to usb stick is 
stable, about 5-6 mb/sec all the time. But now sometimes I see the HDD 
performance problems while system write to usb.
Maybe try other elevator types?
Completely Fair Queuing — elevator=cfq
Deadline — elevator=deadline
NOOP — elevator=noop
Anticipatory — elevator=as

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[Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2010-01-20 Thread RishiRamraj
I tried elevator=noop with no success. I've also tried removing the sync option 
as per the following with no success:
http://en.opensuse.org/SDB_Discussion:Automounting_without_the_sync_Option

My only symptom so far has been slow data transfer on usb keys and usb
external hard drives. I don't notice the degrading speed over time, or
any effects to my network speed (only tested scp). I'm running a 64 bit
AMD processor with 8 gigs memory on an updated cut of 9.10.

I've attached my dmesg log. I'll also try and run some performance
tests.

Thanks for the help,
- Rishi

** Attachment added: dmesg
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[Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2010-01-08 Thread ktp
I'm pretty sure that comment 177 will help most of you all. This bug is 
probably a duplicate of #381300
See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/381300 for more 
information.

Try to set your I/O scheduler to noop and see if transfer rates stay constant.
To do this follow these steps:

sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
search for the line begining with #kopt and add elevator=noop without the 
quotes to the end of the line
save  exit
sudo update-grub
reboot

HTH, ktp.

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[Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2010-01-08 Thread Julian Lam
Thanks ktp. I've applied the change, I'll let you know how it goes.

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[Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2009-12-25 Thread Torandi
I have been experimenting some with this problem today. I have been using rsync 
to copy the files (to get a progress bar), and I noticed that rsync stops 
updating in periods when this bug is in effect:
I first get high transfer speed for a couple of minutes, after this the 
transfter speed drop down to 100-200kb/s and during this rsync only updates 
approximately once every half minute. 
Loading the module xhci seemed to delay the problem for a couple of minutes.

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Re: [Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2009-12-23 Thread Simon Holm Thøgersen
søn, 20 12 2009 kl. 20:34 +, skrev Przemysław Kulczycki:
 So it seems that some subsystem invoked by Gnome (hal? udev? gvfs?)
 is responsible for the slowdown.
 Please tell me if this is relevant to this bug or should I file a new one?

Everyone should open new reports, you should too.

Your problem seems related to mount options, try to find the specific
option that makes the difference in performance such that you can mount
your disk manually from cli and consistently reproduce good and bad
numbers depending on which options you mount your disk with.

I've updated https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DiskPerformance to
include the part Mounting disk manually gives better performance than
auto-mounting and semi-automounting to address your problem. Please see
that for more details.

To Botond, follow the instructions by Theodore Ts'o and
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DiskPerformance for using dd.

slumbergod and everyone else, see
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DiskPerformance. After careful study
and if there is still a problem, open a new bug and include a reference
to it in this bug.

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[Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2009-12-22 Thread slumbergod
I've endured painfully slow file transfer with USB flash drives ever
since Hardy. It has never improved. It has never been resolved. I
realise this issue doesn't affect everyone but it has annoyed me for
almost my entire two years with linux. During that time I have used
dozens of different USB flash drives (some good brands, some cheap) and
across different hardware. I had hoped my latest laptop would be
different but no, it is still pathetic. 1-2 Mb/s is hopeless. If I boot
into Windows it is always significantly faster i.e. the expected USB 2.0
speed for file transfer.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE place some importance on this. It has been an issue
for far too long.

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[Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2009-12-21 Thread Yann Papouin
@Przemysław Kulczycki: It's not because your usb hard drive is working
fine that it's the same for others (in my case my LACIE 3.5 160Go is
slowing down).

And with more than 200 comments, we can see that everyone has the same
symptoms but different causes. This bug report is not usefull anymore
due to its life time and the quantity of reports.

It seems a low level issue, lower than cp and move commands. Maybe a
Kernel or Kernel compilation issue?

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[Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2009-12-20 Thread Przemysław Kulczycki
I've did some test and I managed to narrow this bug somehow. 
My setup: Macbook 2,1; Intel USB controller; Ubuntu 9.10 64-bit.
1st try: Patriot Xporter 4GB flash drive - no problems.
2nd try: Patriot Xporter 16GB drive - slows down when writing to USB drive 
under Gnome.
It worked fine when I booted to recovery mode (pure CLI, no Gnome), mounted the 
drive manually and copied over 700MB of data.
It slowed down in Gnome, both with automounting, and with manual mounting 
(though this time I can't guarantee that Gnome wasn't involved in that because 
I just remounted the drive manually after the Gnome's autodetection).
So it seems that some subsystem invoked by Gnome (hal? udev? gvfs?) is 
responsible for the slowdown.
Please tell me if this is relevant to this bug or should I file a new one?

I'm attaching the output of dstat ran while copying in Gnome.

** Attachment added: dstat-sdb1-gnome-automount-try1.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/36999761/dstat-sdb1-gnome-automount-try1.txt

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[Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2009-12-20 Thread Przemysław Kulczycki
Here's my dmesg.
Please note that I also have a USB 3.5 hard disk and it works fine. The 
problem is only with the pendrive. 

** Attachment added: dmesg.txt
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[Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2009-12-20 Thread Przemysław Kulczycki
Here's dstat run in recovery mode - everything is fine.

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[Bug 197762] Re: file transfers on USB flash key (pendrive) are slowing down with time

2009-12-20 Thread Przemysław Kulczycki
And here's dstat ran when I tried manual mounting while in Gnome, but it
might be the same as automount because I just remounted the drive
manually after an automounting in Gnome.

** Attachment added: dstat-sdb1-gnome-manualmount-try1.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/36999838/dstat-sdb1-gnome-manualmount-try1.txt

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