[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
** Changed in: nautilus Status: Invalid = Expired ** Changed in: nautilus Importance: Unknown = Wishlist -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
** Changed in: nautilus Status: New = Invalid -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
Really a bad way to solve such problems. I created a new Bug 575920 so we all can subscribe (This bug affects me) to show that this was not what we wanted. -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
Really, why does GNOME have to remove all options nowadays? Can't they at least keep various options still available through gconf-editor ? I mean in Karmic the new login screen already removed various options. I understand that they want to simplify things BUT they could at least keep various things optional. It doesn't hurt to give the old option or the new option. -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
Here you go. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=605608 ** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #605608 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=605608 -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
reaction to this change has been almost universally negative. Please give the button back, or teach nautilus to save the toggle state as it was previously set, on subsequent window openings. as has been said over and over, Ctrl + L is not an acceptable answer. it is not a toggle, it is either right handed in right-control capable environments (try using r-ctrl in virtual box for instance), or both handed (which is even worse). the Go menu option is equally annoying, involving 3 clicks to do what 1 did. see the discussion going on here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1430803 -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
This is not the correct bug for discussion of whether the change should be reverted or whether there should be an option; this particular just happens to have been effectively fixed with the removal of the button. That was an upstream decision, and is best discussed at the GNOME bugzilla or Nautilus mailing lists with the relevant developers. Please don't post further comments here, as you're ending up spamming the subscribers, who can be assumed to be no longer interested in this particular issue since it's fixed, as well as the removal of the button, which is a separate matter. -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
reaction to this change has ... let's rather say than only users annoyed by the change open bugs about it or complain on forums, those who like changes usually are quiet about it so it's hard to tell if what you see is a vocal minority or reflecting users opinion -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
@Spang: ACK about the idiot proof thing. May you provide a link to were you've proposed this upstream? I have to proposals in this matter (though I'd most like to have the button back): a) include a setting (in the preferences dialog, not in the main ui) for /apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_location_entry b) switch to the text mode when clicking the unused area right hand side of the icons -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
@David: Yes, I found the ctrl+L keys. Only, it's not a toggle. But more importantly, it's a right hand key combo. In my opinion right hand key combo's slow down computer interaction, as you have to move your hand from mouse to keyboard. And even if it was a left hand one. Nautilus interaction is mostly mouse based (as opposed to for example a text editor), so having to use key combo's is in conflict with that. In user testing, we observed people clicking on this toggle button in an attempt to create new documents simply because the icon had a document in it. My apologies for being frank. But, an OS should be intuitive, yes, but not necessarily idiot proof. The effect that toggle button has, isn't very dramatic, you click it, some UI element changes, you click it again and it changes back. If you click it once to make a new doc, seems possible. But you should be capable of noticing that is has some other functionality. In fact, most UI elements have tooltips these days, there's no crime in looking at them once in while. In the long end, trying to find a better icon might be a good thing. But killing it because someone might mistakenly toggle it, what's that about? Then again, as Vish mentions, it might have some other reason. But if you ask me, there should at least be an option to the button. As long time nautilus users have grown accustomed to it. While it could make sense to recover some screen space on a netbook, when you're on a 26 display, having the button there makes more sense. -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
Spang, you have some good arguments and I suggest you take them upstream -- I am only in a position to consider this bug fixed (or not). I am merely evaluating the impact on the user experience detailed in this paper cut after the fact. -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
And so I did. Unlike the min,max,close discussion, this call was made upstream. A bit too used at coming to launchpad. ;) -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
I'm sorry but removing the button is somewhat a poor fix if you ask me. I'm really missing that toggle button. -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
Spang, maybe it is, but the confusion caused by the button has been removed. In user testing, we observed people clicking on this toggle button in an attempt to create new documents simply because the icon had a document in it. PS: Did you know you can use ctrl-L to toggle it now? -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
David, was this an upstream change? I couldn't find a reference to it in the changelogs (upstream and Ubuntu). -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
David: I'm not saying it was a bad move, but was testing done /after/ the icon was changed? In Karmic the icon is a pencil. I hope that wasn't the sole reason for the change.. -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
@Murat Güneş: Yes this was an upstream Nautilus change. This was part of the new Extra pane nautilus overhaul. I dont think they intended to fix this bug. But rather mare more space for the widgets and this was a side-effect ;-) -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: Won't Fix = Fix Released -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
Not an issue anymore , since that icon has been removed. ** Changed in: nautilus (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged = Fix Released -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
Closing icon theme task ** Changed in: human-icon-theme (Ubuntu) Status: New = Invalid -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
That is correct, Lucid no longer has the location bar toggle icon, which this bug is about. To activate the location bar go to Go Location or type the Ctrl-L keyboard combination. -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
Improved in Lucid? As far as I see the icon has been removed altogether in 2.29.92.1. I like the new layout, but I'd have preferred an option to enable this icon again. Without the icon more users will overlook this feature, and use the mouse to navigate. The Location mode is nice to copy-paste parts of a path to and from Nautilus. ** Attachment added: nautilus-2.29.92.1_locationbar_without_toggle_icon http://launchpadlibrarian.net/40931462/nautilus-2.29.92.1_locationbar_without_toggle_icon.png -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
I have marked this Wont Fix in hundredpapercuts, as the icon was ultimately improved in Lucid. I would like to propose a similar paper cut -- Hide location bar by default -- for Lucid. ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: Confirmed = Won't Fix ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Milestone: round-4 = None -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
I won't mark this as fixed in Karmic, but the new edit icon is an improvement! -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
I personally think that the button should toggle between an some kind of icon representing a mouse/cursor (to switch to breadcrumb mode where you click on buttons) and one representing a keyboard (to switch to text entry mode). It makes sense to me because most users click the buttons in icon mode and type in text mode, and would be able to make this connection pretty easily. I attached a quick mockup of what I mean. ** Attachment added: icon mode / text mode http://launchpadlibrarian.net/34427014/FBFINAL.png -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
I like the idea of a mix of both systems. Perhaps where there would be small buttons directly under the path folder names. ** Attachment added: path with buttons http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31572454/Screenshot-Music%20-%20File%20Browser.png -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
I would also like to be able to drag a file onto a folder button to move the file to that folder, or drag a folder button out to create a symlink -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
@PCZahra Drag a file onto a folder button in graphical location bar has been implemented in karmic. You can already drag and drop a folder out from the graphical location bar. Just hold down alt when dragging the folder down to make a symlink. -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
I agree with keeping the pencil or the pencil and paper icon. Other suggestions for replacement icons are confusing to describe when guiding people over the phone. Some of the icons suggested are already intended for font menus and can cause further confusion. -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
I'd just like to add that I'd rather not have any of the icons that feature text prominently. They are easily mistaken to be part of the path and would thus confuse anyone who tries to use the path anywhere (or even just write it down). -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
concerning c#23 Letters should not be framed : button already provides a frame that makes 2 frames, unless you want to imitate a keyboard key like suggested in c#14 See mockup attached : either show a letter, or a key but not something between Anyway, since current icon is not so bad, i don't think we should change it unless we find a really great icon. Changing a not so good nor so bad icon for another not so good nor so bad icon would be a bad idea ** Attachment added: nautilus mockup : with a letter and with a key http://launchpadlibrarian.net/29908358/Nautilus_mockup.png -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
The Humanity icon set ,as of now, has a nice icon of a pencil alone in the location toggle. Using the pencil alone is a good metaphor , indicates something can be written and is far more representative that any other alternative solutions proposed here. for the screenshot see comment #15 -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
I'm going to have to go with Kalle and say that the real solution is to redesign the location bar. Also, I'm going to have to say that this papercut is not a bug in any icon set, but with nautilus. You can't change the icon without affecting other apps that use that icon properly. ** Changed in: humanity Status: New = Invalid -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
** Also affects: humanity Importance: Undecided Status: New -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
Having discussed a better metaphor for the the icon together with David Siegel, I suggest Nautilus should use this icon instead. It will signal text entry to the user and when toggled users won't have any hard time getting back to breadcrumb mode since they will remember what button they clicked. While this might solve the paper cut, the ideal solution would probably require a redesign of the location bar. ** Attachment added: Screenshot of Nautilus with new path-mode icon. http://launchpadlibrarian.net/29355837/nautilus.png -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
I've built a simple patch to change ONLY the icon of the ubuntu partition to the ubuntu logo (no emblems). I also forwarded it upstream here: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=586488 direct link to patches: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=137087 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=137141 upstream commented only my first patch attempt, then nothing else ** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #586488 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=586488 -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
ignore me, wrong bug -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
I vote for a new icon only. Two Alt+PrtScr and 15mins in GIMP resulted in the attachment here. The final icon should be less theme-like (say more symbolic) and *.svg. I like the fact that in a Linux Desktop nearly every text is selectable! So I would miss the textfield mode of Nautilus paths. The button mode enhancements proposed in these comments are very interesting. They could be moved to http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com ** Attachment added: Another path-mode-icon for Nautilus http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28738950/path-buttons-or-text.png -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
Why not have both in the one widget? Clickable and typeable. This would have to be done very well not to be annoying. I believe the Google Chrome browser has something like this, as does the Linkify extension for Firefox. and Better yet, why not get rid of the toggle button and make the location-bar-as-text-field an advanced option to be enabled in Nautilus preferences or a menu? My intuition is that location-bar-as-text-field is a feature primarily for advanced users, and that we might make Nautilus easier to use, and avoid this problem entirely, by removing the toggle button. When I used XP a while back I installed this ExplorerBreadcrumbs[1] to make things a bit more intuitive and nautilus like but it seems that they did it *better* than nautilus. Each section is a button, taking you directly to the location. Clicking the arrow exposes other directories that branch from that point and clicking anywhere else (towards the end of the bar) transforms it into an editable text icon[2]. My suggestion would be to mimic this behaviour and you can then squash a related bug ( https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/386150 ) by allowing you to eliminate up/back/forward and even reload. [1] http://minimalist.com/software/ExplorerBreadcrumbs/ [2] http://minimalist.com/software/ExplorerBreadcrumbs/Explorer1.png -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
Why not have both in the one widget? Clickable and typeable. This would have to be done very well not to be annoying. I believe the Google Chrome browser has something like this, as does the Linkify extension for Firefox. and Better yet, why not get rid of the toggle button and make the location-bar-as-text-field an advanced option to be enabled in Nautilus preferences or a menu? My intuition is that location-bar-as-text-field is a feature primarily for advanced users, and that we might make Nautilus easier to use, and avoid this problem entirely, by removing the toggle button. When I used XP a while back I installed this ExplorerBreadcrumbs[1] to make things a bit more intuitive and nautilus like but it seems that they did it *better* than nautilus. Each section is a button, taking you directly to the location. Clicking the arrow exposes other directories that branch from that point and clicking anywhere else (towards the end of the bar) transforms it into an editable text icon[2]. My suggestion would be to mimic this behaviour and you can then squash a related bug ( https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/386150 ) by allowing you to eliminate up/back/forward and even reload. [1] http://minimalist.com/software/ExplorerBreadcrumbs/ [2] http://minimalist.com/software/ExplorerBreadcrumbs/Explorer1.png -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
See attached for a basic idea - I would've expanded further but I never realised how awfully Gimp handles layers! ** Attachment added: Screenshot-nick - File Browser.png http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28415251/Screenshot-nick%20-%20File%20Browser.png -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
A few suggestions : 1°) why not a T icon, like these usually find to express something related to font stuff ? (something like http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/thumb/e/e0/Icon-font.svg/120px-Icon-font.svg.png ) 2°) considering that the function is close to a CLI/GUI choice, maybe a prompt icon without the black screen ( http://gigapple.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/terminal_icon.png?w=240h=240 ) 3°) maybe a mix of both 4°) since text mode can be seen like an advanced user feature, the icon usually used for advanced options could fit 5°) something related to a keyboard icon or a few keys ( http://icons.iconseeker.com/png/fullsize/tulliana-2/keyboard-layout-3.png ) Personally i like 2°) 3°) -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
I believe a pencil alone, without the paper, is a clear metaphor and wouldn't be confused with creating a new document or opening the text editor. ** Attachment added: Toggle icon as pencil - source: Elementary Icons http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28285509/Screenshot-Trash%20-%20File%20Browser-1.png -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
Without any prior knowledge of what that button does, I really would have no idea what it does, with the pencil icon, or any other suggested icons. And I certainly don't think putting text in the icon would be a fitting metaphor either. At that point, we might as well just change it to say Edit and not have an icon. On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 14:39 +, Lightbreeze wrote: I believe a pencil alone, without the paper, is a clear metaphor and wouldn't be confused with creating a new document or opening the text editor. ** Attachment added: Toggle icon as pencil - source: Elementary Icons http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28285509/Screenshot-Trash%20-%20File%20Browser-1.png -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
** Changed in: nautilus (Ubuntu) Status: New = Triaged -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Milestone: None = round-4 -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
Why not have both in the one widget? Clickable and typeable. This would have to be done very well not to be annoying. I believe the Google Chrome browser has something like this, as does the Linkify extension for Firefox. -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
I too use the toggle button fairly often. I am used to using the command line a lot, so being able to enter the full path with support for directory completion is very convenient. If you are in a deeply nested folder, it's easier though to just click on one of the parent folders instead of having to delete parts of the path manually (which is prone to errors). -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
One possibility for an appropriate icon would be a stylized miniature of the location field itself. -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
Better yet, why not get rid of the toggle button and make the location-bar-as-text-field an advanced option to be enabled in Nautilus preferences or a menu? My intuition is that location-bar-as-text-field is a feature primarily for advanced users, and that we might make Nautilus easier to use, and avoid this problem entirely, by removing the toggle button. -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
That option is already there. GtkFileChooser doesn't that setting though. Either way, the current situation is ugly, and isn't particularly nice for users (either basic, or advanced). It's doubly confusing for Windows users migrating, as it was a text entry until Vista, and in Vista+ it's an advanced text-based thing, where you can click to edit the path. And I don't think OS X even has a way to edit the path like this, so the extra button is a bit confusing for users migrating from there as well. I do like the Vista solution though, as it provides a nice balance between navigating the path, and typing something totally new. On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 17:16 +, David Siegel wrote: Better yet, why not get rid of the toggle button and make the location-bar-as-text-field an advanced option to be enabled in Nautilus preferences or a menu? My intuition is that location-bar-as-text-field is a feature primarily for advanced users, and that we might make Nautilus easier to use, and avoid this problem entirely, by removing the toggle button. -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
I wouldn't like going to a preference option each time I want to toggle. I use the buttons primarily, but there are often cases when the line is helpful too - and the button being right there is awfully helpful. -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
I think there is nothing wrong with the stock GTK edit icon. Rather, the problem is that a button for showing/hiding the path field in a file manager should not be using an edit icon in the first place. The object is not to edit anything, it is to enter a path. -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
Could you suggest a better icon to use or an another change? -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
»go-jump« is the icon most closely associated with address fields. But it would still make a poor choice. Especially because there would be an awkward cluster of arrows in that corner ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fingerpost ). -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
It would also be weird, as it's not the equivalent function to the go button in browser address fields. Clicking it does not take you to the location you've typed in (which you can't type in until you click the button in the first place). On Thu, 2009-06-11 at 12:05 +, Tobias Wolf wrote: »go-jump« is the icon most closely associated with address fields. But it would still make a poor choice. Especially because there would be an awkward cluster of arrows in that corner ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fingerpost ). -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Importance: Undecided = Medium ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: New = Confirmed -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
** Also affects: hundredpapercuts Importance: Undecided Status: New -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
The icon is horrible anyway. It's used in other places as well (GtkFileChooser uses it the same way Nautilus does), as it's a stock gtk+ icon. If anyone can come up with a better metaphor for a generic edit action (good luck), I'll gladly get the icon changed in gnome- icon-theme. I would rather just see all the places using the icon, not use it, though, as there are probably better icons to use, or there could be design for a better UI to use (in the case of Nautilus/FileChooser). Something more like the hyperlinks/arrows/entry combination like Vista has would be better here I think. -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
Would be nice if somebody could open this bug upstream too ** Changed in: nautilus (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Low ** Changed in: nautilus (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs) -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #584619 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=584619 ** Also affects: nautilus via http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=584619 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
Reported in upstream Nautilus module. I'm not sure if it needs reporting in gnome-icon-theme as well; probably not, since the issue is not with the icon per se, but with the fact that Nautilus makes use of it. -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
** Changed in: nautilus Status: Unknown = New -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 382626] Re: Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function
** Description changed: Binary package hint: human-icon-theme (Filed as per the UDS-Karmic Death by a 100 paper cuts session, where the issue was cited as and agreed to be an example of a design paper cut.) - The icon used in the button that toggles the Nautilus address bar (in - browser mode) between icon and text modes does not illustrate the - function of the button. Instead, it suggests that the function may be - something related to writing things on paper, the digital analogues of - which would be text editing or word processing, for which we have - preinstalled software that is to be launched in a different way (i.e. - going to the Applications menu), and (it was cited that) user testing - has shown people tend to click this button when prompted to write - something. It's also worth noting that The Designing Effective Icons - article of the GNOME HIG [1] refers to an effectively identical - variation of this icon as A functionally suggestive icon for a word - processor. + The icon used in the button that toggles the Nautilus address bar + between icon and text modes does not illustrate the function of the + button. Instead, it suggests that the function may be something related + to writing things on paper, the digital analogues of which would be text + editing or word processing, for which we have preinstalled software that + is to be launched in a different way (i.e. going to the Applications + menu), and (it was cited that) user testing has shown people tend to + click this button when prompted to write something. It's also worth + noting that The Designing Effective Icons article of the GNOME HIG [1] + refers to an effectively identical variation of this icon as A + functionally suggestive icon for a word processor. A toggle button with pressed / not pressed states is not ideal for conveying the information required of the button in this case. We don't want to convey whether the bar is in text mode or not; we want to convey precisely which of the two available modes it is in. The GNOME HIG also recommends against using a single toggle button in isolation [2]. The solution would be to either modify Nautilus, preferably upstream, to have a regular stateless button that displays a Switch to text mode icon when in button mode, and vice versa, and design those respective icons, and/or (maybe as a temporary measure until that happens) design a replacement icon that does not suggest word processing functionality and better illustrates the current one. [1] http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/icons-design.html.en [2] http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/controls-toggle-buttons.html.en -- Nautilus location bar toggle icon implies unrelated function https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to nautilus in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
