[Bug 389876] Re: Inconsistent: Quit without saving Firefox, Gedit, OpenOffice
Since this is not an easy thing to fix (as has been pointed out in earlier comments) it does not qualify as a paper cut. ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: Confirmed = Invalid -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/389876 Title: Inconsistent: Quit without saving Firefox, Gedit, OpenOffice To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/389876/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 389876] Re: Inconsistent: Quit without saving Firefox, Gedit, OpenOffice
It is annoying that the KDE standard layout is inconsistent with the Gnome standard layout, but KDE has their own guidelines for this http://developer.kde.org/documentation/standards/kde/style/dialogs/simple.html#yesno just like Gnome does. The only application listed here which is doing the wrong thing is OpenOffice.org, which is marked as Won't Fix. ** Description changed: Quit without saving (buttons and order from left to right): - Firefox: Quit, Cancel, Save Quit - OpenOffice Writer: Save, Discard, Cancel - Gedit: Close without Saving, Cancel, Save - Evolution (during create message): Discard changes, Cancel, Save message - Thunderbird: Don't save, Cancel, Save - GIMP: Don't save, Cancel, Save - KDE application: Save, Discard, Cancel Make the same order and options in all programs. - The recommended order/labels are: - Save / Don't Save / Cancel + The standard order/labels is: + Don't Save .. Cancel . Save + http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/windows-alert.html.en#save-confirmation-alerts More on this type of bugs: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/17763/ -- Inconsistent: Quit without saving Firefox, Gedit, OpenOffice https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/389876 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gedit in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 389876] Re: Inconsistent: Quit without saving Firefox, Gedit, OpenOffice
** Description changed: Quit without saving (buttons and order from left to right): - Firefox: Quit, Cancel, Save Quit - OpenOffice Writer: Save, Discard, Cancel - Gedit: Close without Saving, Cancel, Save Make the same order and options in all programs. + The recommended order/labels are: + Save / Don't Save / Cancel + More on this type of bugs: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/17763/ ** Description changed: Quit without saving (buttons and order from left to right): - Firefox: Quit, Cancel, Save Quit - OpenOffice Writer: Save, Discard, Cancel - Gedit: Close without Saving, Cancel, Save + - Evolution (during create message): Discard changes, Cancel, Save message Make the same order and options in all programs. The recommended order/labels are: Save / Don't Save / Cancel More on this type of bugs: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/17763/ ** Description changed: Quit without saving (buttons and order from left to right): - Firefox: Quit, Cancel, Save Quit - OpenOffice Writer: Save, Discard, Cancel - Gedit: Close without Saving, Cancel, Save - - Evolution (during create message): Discard changes, Cancel, Save message + - Evolution (during create message): Discard changes, Cancel, Save message, + - GIMP: Don't save, Cancel, Save Make the same order and options in all programs. The recommended order/labels are: Save / Don't Save / Cancel More on this type of bugs: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/17763/ ** Description changed: Quit without saving (buttons and order from left to right): - Firefox: Quit, Cancel, Save Quit - OpenOffice Writer: Save, Discard, Cancel - Gedit: Close without Saving, Cancel, Save - - Evolution (during create message): Discard changes, Cancel, Save message, + - Evolution (during create message): Discard changes, Cancel, Save message + - Thunderbird: Don't save, Cancel, Save - GIMP: Don't save, Cancel, Save Make the same order and options in all programs. The recommended order/labels are: Save / Don't Save / Cancel More on this type of bugs: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/17763/ ** Description changed: Quit without saving (buttons and order from left to right): - Firefox: Quit, Cancel, Save Quit - OpenOffice Writer: Save, Discard, Cancel - Gedit: Close without Saving, Cancel, Save - Evolution (during create message): Discard changes, Cancel, Save message - Thunderbird: Don't save, Cancel, Save - GIMP: Don't save, Cancel, Save + - KDE application: Save, Discard, Cancel Make the same order and options in all programs. The recommended order/labels are: Save / Don't Save / Cancel More on this type of bugs: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/17763/ -- Inconsistent: Quit without saving Firefox, Gedit, OpenOffice https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/389876 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gedit in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 389876] Re: Inconsistent: Quit without saving Firefox, Gedit, OpenOffice
This is not a package problem but more of a gtk or gnome bug since by the looks of it affects alot of GTK apps that are unreleated ** Package changed: firefox (Ubuntu) = gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) -- Inconsistent: Quit without saving Firefox, Gedit, OpenOffice https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/389876 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gedit in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 389876] Re: Inconsistent: Quit without saving Firefox, Gedit, OpenOffice
** Changed in: gedit (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Won't Fix ** Changed in: openoffice.org (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Won't Fix -- Inconsistent: Quit without saving Firefox, Gedit, OpenOffice https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/389876 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gedit in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 389876] Re: Inconsistent: Quit without saving Firefox, Gedit, OpenOffice
** Package changed: ubuntu = firefox (Ubuntu) ** Changed in: firefox (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Wishlist ** Also affects: gedit (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Also affects: openoffice.org (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: gedit (Ubuntu) Status: New = Confirmed ** Changed in: gedit (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Wishlist ** Changed in: openoffice.org (Ubuntu) Status: New = Confirmed ** Changed in: openoffice.org (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Wishlist -- Inconsistent: Quit without saving Firefox, Gedit, OpenOffice https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/389876 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gedit in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 389876] Re: Inconsistent: Quit without saving Firefox, Gedit, OpenOffice
Dolfry, Please refrain from arguing for features just because they are present in a majority OS. We are NOT trying to emulate or copy them. We have our own goals and can be as different as we like. But, yes, I do agree that GNOME as a whole should present a consistent picture instead of the current each app can create UI as it feels comfortable idea. The consistency is important from both an aesthetic and usability POV. ** Also affects: gnome-desktop (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: gnome-desktop (Ubuntu) Status: New = Confirmed -- Inconsistent: Quit without saving Firefox, Gedit, OpenOffice https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/389876 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-desktop in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 389876] Re: Inconsistent: Quit without saving Firefox, Gedit, OpenOffice
Rich, If Yes/No is a bad idea, then we can use Save/Don't Save. The point here I think is consistency across the entire applications in default GNOME installation. -- Inconsistent: Quit without saving Firefox, Gedit, OpenOffice https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/389876 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-desktop in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 389876] Re: Inconsistent: Quit without saving Firefox, Gedit, OpenOffice
Oh, I certainly think consistency is a good idea, I just think it's _really_ important that the buttons correspond to actions, not answers to questions. http://www.usabilitypost.com/2008/08/30/usability-tip-use-verbs-as- labels-on-buttons/ -- Inconsistent: Quit without saving Firefox, Gedit, OpenOffice https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/389876 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-desktop in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 389876] Re: Inconsistent: Quit without saving Firefox, Gedit, OpenOffice
We fully agree on consistency, and I also accept that you don't like the Yes/No/Cancel approach, still I favor it. Just a stylistic comment. If you are asked a question: Save the current unsaved document? Then the logical answer to this is Yes or No, and not 'Save' or 'Don't save'. Regards, Dolfy -- Inconsistent: Quit without saving Firefox, Gedit, OpenOffice https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/389876 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-desktop in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 389876] Re: Inconsistent: Quit without saving Firefox, Gedit, OpenOffice
There is a Gnome Human interface guide line: http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/ What you are actually looking for: http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/windows-alert.html.en#save-confirmation-alerts Save confirmation alerts - there is a rule for this window. It really makes sense and should be obeyed in all apps. I'd just recommend to put the red cross to close without saving, because this is actually the most harmfull action. Well, the pity is: Neither Firefox nor OO.o are gnome-apps. -- Inconsistent: Quit without saving Firefox, Gedit, OpenOffice https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/389876 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-desktop in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 389876] Re: Inconsistent: Quit without saving Firefox, Gedit, OpenOffice
Always remember: end users decide on usability, not a committee. ...and monopoly. :) But I don't want a flame here. Please make this bug report to something usefull. Save the current unsaved document? Then the logical answer to this is Yes or No, and not 'Save' or 'Don't save'. I agree. But I have also seen applicationa that are asking: Do you really want to discard changes? Yes/No/Cancel -- Inconsistent: Quit without saving Firefox, Gedit, OpenOffice https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/389876 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-desktop in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 389876] Re: Inconsistent: Quit without saving Firefox, Gedit, OpenOffice
Dolfy, one more thing about Yes/No/Cancel buttons, I really hate to read all this kind of message text that are constantly appearing on screen. If I see Save button then I know that program is asking about saving if there is only Yes/No button, then I have to read the whole message displayed in message box - not user friendly it consumes my precious time. :) -- Inconsistent: Quit without saving Firefox, Gedit, OpenOffice https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/389876 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-desktop in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 389876] Re: Inconsistent: Quit without saving Firefox, Gedit, OpenOffice
Do you really want to discard changes? Yes/No/Cancel Yep, this is totally sad. That is why requested operation should be put on first: Save current document? so that user does not have to read through the line(s) to make a decision. About monopoly: yes it is. But users made it a monopoly, because they decided that the free alternative is not good/consistent/easy for them enough. Do not take it as a critique of your work, I just try to help Gnome gain a bigger market share. ;-) Regards, Dolfy -- Inconsistent: Quit without saving Firefox, Gedit, OpenOffice https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/389876 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-desktop in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 389876] Re: Inconsistent: Quit without saving Firefox, Gedit, OpenOffice
gnome-desktop is the about GNOME dialog and a library to work on desktop entries nothing to do with this bug ** Package changed: gnome-desktop (Ubuntu) = ubuntu -- Inconsistent: Quit without saving Firefox, Gedit, OpenOffice https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/389876 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-desktop in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
