[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-15 Thread Ricardo Pérez López
The old Usplash artwork has been reverted with the new 0.2-2 version.

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-15 Thread Paul Sladen
usplash (0.2-2) dapper; urgency=low

  * Revert artwork to 0.1-36, Frank was asked to provide better artwork
over the weekend but instead appears to have spent the weekend working
on a text-less version which we already said was not going to make
dapper.

Don't expect this to be the last change before Dapper is released.

 -- Scott James Remnant [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Sun, 14 May 2006 18:02:09
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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-15 Thread Viper550
BOOYAH! A WINNER IS US! YATTA! Now, all it needs is updated artwork for
Dapper that is similar to the current one (hint hint, my works maybe),
and we'll be all set!

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-15 Thread Mickey
Thank You  Dev's

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-14 Thread clast
IMO, Frank is doing an excellent jobwith minimalistic :)
unfortunately though, it's probably too late in the development cylce to 
include such a major change.

nevertheless, the current usplash needs to be replaced. it's horrible!!! sorry, 
but it's probably the worst usplash screen I've seen in a linux distro.
reminds me of the first computers with color screens.
the one in breezy was way better.

for edgy we should definetely switch to bootsplash or something more
modern than usplash.

regards,
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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-14 Thread michiel
Please, please, please, please revert this to the original. I'm a
professional designer but I don't need to make a technical explanation
on why this new logo sucks. I wonder who authorized such an awful
change. This is truly appaling.

I've made a wiki page for design propositions for Edgy Eft, by the way.
People who have made propositions can list and rationalize it here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Usplash/EdgyPropositions

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-14 Thread Arash Yadegarnia
Developers have made some new propasals...their great!
check ubuntu forum threads!

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-14 Thread michiel
I doubt we could still make one of the new propositions to be included
in Dapper. It would require that there's a vote on which one we should
use, and that's difficult. Consensus is difficult to achieve.

I do believe that it's possible to simply revert this graphic change to
the way it was before, since it seems to be consensus that regardless of
whichever new proposition is the best, the usplash 0.1 artwork is much
better than the usplash 0.2 artwork.

Actually, I believe that this is a very high-priority bug. We're way
past UI freeze and yet the logo that millions of people will see every
single day when they turn on their computer is pretty much collectively
thought to be awful.

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-14 Thread Ted O'Hayer
I also hate the current artwork, and I'm also voicing my support behind
the  'minimalistic' theme shown above. It's fantastic, professional, and
very simple.

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-14 Thread Athurva Gore
The minimalistic theme looks amazing.  I think that should be the
default as well, maybe with a message saying Press CTRL-ALT-F# to see
details or something like that.

If not that, the old one should be brought back; the new one looks
terrible IMO.

There's a poll in the forums about it now as well, and the majority of people 
that have voted so far want the old one back.
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=175620

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-14 Thread Paul Sladen
** Bug 44649 has been marked a duplicate of this bug

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-14 Thread Nathan Haines
** Attachment added: Human Splash
   http://librarian.launchpad.net/2625584/human-splash.png

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-13 Thread Mickey
Agree without a  full rehash what was said  above. This new style is
worse, the  alphas and  beta 1 had better  art.

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-13 Thread Yotam Benshalom
I agree with all the above. New artwork is both tacky and depressing.
Viper's suggestion is worth looking at.

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-13 Thread Viper550
What I tried to do was take a screenshot of the splash screen from OSDir
(that shows the squished aspect ratio because it was in VMWare), and use
one of my programs to resize the graphic to the same proportions. I
might wanna try that other technique...

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-13 Thread Viper550
What I tried to do was take a screenshot of the splash screen from OSDir
(that shows the squished aspect ratio because it was in VMWare), and use
one of my programs to resize the graphic to the same proportions. I
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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-13 Thread Viper550
What I tried to do was take a screenshot of the splash screen from OSDir
(that shows the squished aspect ratio because it was in VMWare), and use
one of my programs to resize the graphic to the same proportions. I
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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-13 Thread Johannes Langlotz
usplash-0.1 is the nicest (IMHO). Something like this shouldn't be
changed in less than three weeks before release.

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-13 Thread Johannes Langlotz
usplash-0.1 is the nicest (IMHO). Something like this shouldn't be
changed in less than three weeks before release.

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-13 Thread Paul Sladen
Ideally it should probably be produced to an aspect ratio half-way
between 4:3 and 8:5 (eg. 16:11, or working with a base image of 640x440)
so that it looks vaguely correct both:

  a) when strectched to a VGA screen
  b) when centred on an LCD display or VMware screenshot

The biggest reason why the current artwork doesn't work is that there
are too many transitions of colours;  really there is only space for one
gradient of colours (eg. brown-black).  In the case this new artwork it
attempts to use:

  black-white
  orange-black/gray/white
  yellow-black/gray/white
  red-black/gray/white

which is far too much to dither and provide immediate colours for when
there are only 14 palette entries.

The new Kubuntu one is very good and was done by somebody who understood
the restrictions of the environment;  It uses 3 shades of blue in total,
all of which effectively share the same gradient (blue-black).

Vipper550: your artwork looks much better.  If there /has/ to be a
change I hope it's considered.  At this moment in time, I think we'd be
better reverting to the breezy artwork.

This would have the effect of promoting the image of
stability/continuity and that we don't change things unless we can do
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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-13 Thread Frank Schoep
I've been able to withhold myself from posting this in the bug report, but for 
the people not on ubuntu-art or ubuntu-devel here's a small update on what I've 
been doing the past hours: I've been working on a splash screen for Ubuntu 
Dapper, I've already got a working version here (please test it):
http://www.ffnn.nl/media/external/ubuntu/usplash/usplash-minimalistic_0.1.deb

Screenshots:
http://www.ffnn.nl/media/external/ubuntu/usplash/minimalistic-working-full.jpg
http://www.ffnn.nl/media/external/ubuntu/usplash/minimalistic-working-squashed.jpg

I'm polishing this tonight, expect a new version tonight which looks
even better, more crisp and even less intrusive. I hope you all like
this work I'm doing.

Sorry to post this here, but it seems there's quite a discussion going
on here.

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-13 Thread Viper550
To Paul:
Thanks for the excellent comments. 

If you wonder, my artwork was actually inspired by the current 0.1
artwork, but was redone in the same style and also looks way cleaner!
They were actually pretty easy to make; I just used Alpha to Selection
on the current Ubuntu High-Res PNG, filled it with a gradient of 2 close
colors, made a new layer (keeping the selection), using the Subtract
Selection tool to remove the bottom half of the fill, then filled it
with white. Then,  I fooled around with the transparency of that layer
and it was done!

The design doesn't go far away from the current one because I loved the
current artwork, but Dapper is got tons of new artwork designs, so the
splash should be redone to show off this slick new image, and the fact
that Brown is no more! I don't even think a recoloring of the current
one is enough pour moi!

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-13 Thread Mathias-K
Lovely work as always, Viper550.

I really hope the devs change this. Seeing Fedore Core 5 and SUSE 10.1
splashes, Ubuntu is lightyears behind, unfortunately..

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-13 Thread Frank Schoep
Anyone interested in what I and the other members are doing with the
Minimalistic and other splashes should either subscribe to ubuntu-art
and possibly ubuntu-devel. It's not that I don't want to keep you
informed, it's just that the discussion on this is now running on three
separate locations and so far I'm managing pretty well, but I can't
assure everything being up to date anytime. It would be easier to get
discussion rolling on ubuntu-art and try to keep discussion out of the
bug report.

Anyone who disagrees is welcome to voice his opinion, I'm only
suggesting what I think is right.

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-13 Thread Étienne Bersac
Please use minmalistic. Setting gdm background to the same tan colour
would improve greatly the smoothness of ubuntu;

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-12 Thread Pekka Salmela
I agree with this, too. The former one was quite good looking, but this
one and especially the bright colors are quite irritating.

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-12 Thread Oren Barnea
I agree - the old one looks much better.

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-12 Thread Manu Cornet
** Changed in: gnome-screensaver (Ubuntu)
   Status: Unconfirmed = Rejected

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-12 Thread Frank Schoep
I'm sorry but I have to agree with the others on this one. The ubuntu
name is visibly aliased with the round bottoms of the u's and b's
completely cut off. There's also a lot of aliasing in the logo - the
glow does not smoothly blend in with the colors, this is also apparent
in the name - the black shapes which form the letters do not blend
smoothly into the glow, instead it's a harsh contrast between the
letters and the glow.

I really started to love the old bootsplash, it's really amazing
considering the limitations on the graphics format for bootsplash
images. With respect to all the work gone into the new splash I'm sorry
to have to call it less professional.

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-12 Thread Bruce Cowan
I don't think the old one was that good, but the new one is worse.
These things only work when there is a small range of colours.

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-12 Thread Simon Gray
I agree as well.

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-12 Thread Mark W. Tomlinson
Revert!  Revert!

Sorry, but this latest usplash just looks bad.  Even on my desktop's
CRT, I can't read the OKs to the right for each step.

Keep trying new stuff, but at least make it something readable!

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-12 Thread Brian Crescimanno
I'm going to have to throw my name in on this one; the old artwork
wasn't great, but it was at least decent.

This new stuff looks like a 14-year old got ahold of photoshop in 1997
and picked up the eye candy filters.  Blech!

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-12 Thread Benoît Turpin
As many people, I'd prefer the first one.

If there is no time enough to make a new great one, just put back the
old one.

It's really my first desapointment with ubuntu artwork, new icons look
great to me.

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-12 Thread Cédric Cichowlas
I also prefer the previous one... I liked the effect of reflection and
its colour. Nevertheless, I'm not against the fact we try to change it.
But the problem with the actual one is its quality. More over it's not
centered.

I hope my remarks will help the team.
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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-12 Thread Bernat Tallaferro
I couldn't agree more with all this, especially with the first comment
posted by Emmanuel Touzery.

In fact, I myself thought there had been something wrong when after
upgrading usplash I saw the new artwork on shutdown. I had to restart
again to make sure that that really was the new artwork.

What happened to the brown human colours? Now I can't even see the
OKs at the right side of the boot progress messages.

Exactly. Why did we go to *grey* human colours?

And why did the artwork change 3 weeks before release? Why not create a
thread in the forums in the early stage of development to get users to
throw in their ideas, for example?

I think the best option would be to make usplash easily themable so the
user can choose between console font colour and logo. I realise there
probably won't be time to implement this in Dapper, but it is just a
thought for the future.

I cannot add more to this discussion. I think everything I was thinking
has already been said by other users already.

And again, this is not a rant. We fully appreciate the developer's work.
It is because we so much like this distro that we want it to be as good
as humanly possible.

As a side issue, my Breezy usplash artwork used to look better than the
one in Dapper (was the screen mode changed or something in Dapper?)
before 0.2. I thought this was just a minor issue and I did not report
it. But now, the change from 0.1 to 0.2 is something else...

Thanks.

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-12 Thread GonzO
I agree.  The old one was way better, and actually fit in with the color
scheme.  I don't see why it was changed, actually.  If anything, the old
usplash only needed the text or progress bar to be slightly more orange
- to fit in with the Dapper desktop.

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-12 Thread David M. Carney
Aside from the new splash (which I also don't like over the old), the
progress bars work backwards.

David

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-12 Thread Viper550
Okay, we've been having an active discussion on the Ubuntu-Art list
about this, and I posted a pretty good one that I made (which I shall
attach to this bug).

The new one I made is simliar design wise to the current one, but has a
redone gloss effect and better intergration style wise to the new
desktop design.

** Attachment added: Viper550's Usplash Artwork
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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-12 Thread Loe Spee
Bad choice.

1) The Ubuntu logo comes out quite bad.
2) The messages are sometimes unreadible, especially on a TFT with a little bit 
of surrounding light.
3) The progressbar colors are a bad choice, a little bit of light can make the 
progressbar useless, for colorblind people I think it is a nightmare, you can't 
clearly see if progress has been made.

My opinion, adjust or revert ;)

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-12 Thread Ricardo Pérez López
The artwork proposed by Viper550 is by far better than the current,
IMHO.

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-12 Thread Ricardo Pérez López
Viper550: your artwork fits the Usplash constraints? (resolution, number
of colors, etc.)

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-12 Thread Viper550
It's called, Mark told me about that little problem. Attached is a new
dithered version, came out pretty good! They were designed at 640x480
anyway so that doesn't matter to me

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-12 Thread Viper550
** Attachment added: Now it should work
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[Bug 44339] Re: [Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-12 Thread Matthew Garrett
That's been drawn at 640x400, but using a 4:3 aspect ratio. As a result, 
it'll look distorted if displayed in usplash. I'm afraid it's quite 
awkward to produce 640x400 artwork that's the right aspect ratio...

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-12 Thread Matthew Garrett
** Bug 4 has been marked a duplicate of this bug

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-12 Thread Viper550
So, how the heck do you do that?

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-12 Thread leonardoo
  Hello, i was unlucky because i was in the console mod because of a
wine problem, and i've got the usplash, so, i've been thinking during
the evening that i've screwed my graphic card, and that i'm in the vga
mode. now i'm rassured, but it does not change the fact that the new
usplach is a little ugly, i prefer the human look. this new look isn't
so bad, but it's not as good as the previous one. Cordially

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[Bug 44339] Re: [Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-12 Thread David M. Carney
leonardoo wrote:
   Hello, i was unlucky because i was in the console mod because of a
 wine problem, and i've got the usplash, so, i've been thinking during
 the evening that i've screwed my graphic card, and that i'm in the vga
 mode. now i'm rassured, but it does not change the fact that the new
 usplach is a little ugly, i prefer the human look. this new look isn't
 so bad, but it's not as good as the previous one. Cordially
 
I like Viper's artwork better, too.

David

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[Bug 44339] Re: Regression in usplash artwork

2006-05-12 Thread Adam Conrad
Viper550 wrote:
 So, how the heck do you do that?

What I did here was take your 640x400 image, bump the canvass size (ie:
no rescaling) to 640x480, then take THAT and rescale the image to
640x400.  That gives you the right shapes for everything, so it's at
the correct aspect ratio.

With the old artwork, that's where I stopped, because I assumed we were
getting something new and prettier.

With yours that would be a good point to tweak and refine the dithering,
now that the shape is right.  If this is all being renedered down from
a vector, you may be able to approximate this whole process much
earlier, so you get a well-dithered version for free.

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