Re: [Bug 523121] Re: Menu entries should show the application name *before* the description
The passage from the old way (Name - GenericName) of translating the .desktop menu entries to the new one (X-GNOME-Fullname) has been done due to the modifications of the freedesktop specifications, and also because in Italian, using the Name before the description, would have been grammatically incorrect. Actually, Gnome guidelines (not yet approved as standard, anyway) only state: * If Name is just the application name, leave alone * If there is no GenericName, leave alone * If Name == GenericName: remove GenericName * If Name embeds both the application name and the generic name * Add X-GNOME-FullName, with what was in Name * Set Name to the application name only No one forbid translators to set X-GNOME-Fullname to Transmission - Client BitTorrent or Empathy - Messaggistica istantanea. And about your statement about Italian grammar correctness... well I would prefer usability over hair-splitting: ordered lists (as grammar dictionaries, i.e.) contain a set of Word - Definition (read as Name - Generic name). In English Totem Movie Player is a grammatically correct description, it wouldn't in Italian Totem riproduttore multimediale; but a dash in the middle changes everything... When translating, one should take in account language specificity trying to not sacrifice usability (and common sense, I would say). Of course, just my two cents. If you really want to see the name of the application in the menu, you need to ask each application to change their .desktop file accordingly, or to ask for a global gconf key where you can decide what to show in the menus (be it Name, GenericName, FullName). Yes, I know, but maybe guidelines for translators about this issue would be useful (whatever they state...). ** Changed in: ubuntu-translations Status: Triaged = Invalid Sorry for the additional noise. -- Alessio Gaeta -- Menu entries should show the application name *before* the description https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/523121 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-menus in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 523121] Re: Menu entries should show the application name *before* the description
I'm assigning the bug to the Ubuntu Italian translators, with whom it would be best to discuss this. ** Changed in: ubuntu-translations Assignee: (unassigned) = Traduttori Italiani del software di Ubuntu (ubuntu-it-l10n) ** Changed in: ubuntu-translations Importance: Undecided = Wishlist ** Changed in: ubuntu-translations Status: New = Triaged -- Menu entries should show the application name *before* the description https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/523121 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-menus in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 523121] Re: Menu entries should show the application name *before* the description
The passage from the old way (Name - GenericName) of translating the .desktop menu entries to the new one (X-GNOME-Fullname) has been done due to the modifications of the freedesktop specifications, and also because in Italian, using the Name before the description, would have been grammatically incorrect. With the future passage to gnome-shell, this will not be the case anymore, since looks like there will only be the Name visible. If you really want to see the name of the application in the menu, you need to ask each application to change their .desktop file accordingly, or to ask for a global gconf key where you can decide what to show in the menus (be it Name, GenericName, FullName). What you see with Rhythmbox and gwget are definitely wrong translations. Rythmbox has been fixed too late in the cycle to be included with the default Ubuntu language-pack (will probably be with the next one), gwget was not fixed at all. An example where the pattern Name - GenerciName will not work is with Totem: you will never find the name of the application. Marking as invalid. ** Changed in: ubuntu-translations Status: Triaged = Invalid -- Menu entries should show the application name *before* the description https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/523121 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-menus in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 523121] Re: Menu entries should show the application name *before* the description
The issue is not really a gnome-menus one it's just what those program set in their desktop entry ** Changed in: gnome-menus (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Wishlist -- Menu entries should show the application name *before* the description https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/523121 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-menus in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 523121] Re: Menu entries should show the application name *before* the description
Il giorno mer, 17/02/2010 alle 11.10 +, Sebastien Bacher ha scritto: The issue is not really a gnome-menus one it's just what those program set in their desktop entry I agree, it was my first sentence... ;) Nevertheless, I think there is a need of some kind of guidelines in writing/translating menu entries to avoid confusing end users (- usability issue). And of course fix translations accordingly before Lucid is released... -- Menu entries should show the application name *before* the description https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/523121 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-menus in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 523121] Re: Menu entries should show the application name *before* the description
Thank you for bringing this bug to our attention. However, a paper cut should be a small usability issue, in the default Ubuntu install, that affects many people and is quick and easy to fix. So this bug can't be addressed as part of this project. - This bug seems to be wrong translations by the Italian empathy translations team. This problem is not present in the English version. where it says Empathy IM client For further information about papercuts criteria, please read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaperCut. Don't worry though, this bug has been marked as Invalid only in the papercuts project. ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: New = Invalid -- Menu entries should show the application name *before* the description https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/523121 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-menus in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 523121] Re: Menu entries should show the application name *before* the description
it's not a gnome-menus bug either ** Changed in: gnome-menus (Ubuntu) Status: New = Invalid -- Menu entries should show the application name *before* the description https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/523121 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-menus in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 523121] Re: Menu entries should show the application name *before* the description
** Also affects: ubuntu-translations Importance: Undecided Status: New -- Menu entries should show the application name *before* the description https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/523121 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-menus in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
