[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2010-09-16 Thread Bug Watch Updater
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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2010-01-31 Thread LightVision
I've been using windows for 8 years and linux for about 3 yers and the first 
and most anoyng thing to do after a linux fresh install is to change winkey to 
show Applications Menu.
Those who don't like the win logo should erase from the keyboard (as I've done)

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2010-01-17 Thread Vish
Interestingly , with gnome 3 , the Win key does now infact open the 
applications menu, by default. 
Now is it still forbidden in gnome 2...  ;)

We might not expect a change upstream with gnome 3 in the horizon.

But , since Lucid is LTS , [considering that gnome 3 will be using the win key 
too] , Ubuntu 10.04 will be the odd one out for a very long time.
Should we change it  in Ubuntu ?

@Sebastien Bacher: Can we re-open the gnome-control-center task?

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2010-01-17 Thread Jo-Erlend Schinstad
What do you mean by gnome 3? GNOME 2.29? Has upstream really changed
this? I find that hard to believe. We should absolutely not change that
behaviour, and particularly not now.

I don't understand the desire for a Windows Mode in Ubuntu.

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2010-01-17 Thread om26er
@Jo-Erlend Schinstad  gnome 2.32 will be gnome 3

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2009-11-25 Thread Marco Di Fresco
I add my vote to the idea to allow the use of the Super key both as a
single key (to open the application menu) AND as modifier (Super+D to
minimize all application, Super+R for Run dialog windows, etc.).

Still Antonio Roberts and others are right about users with different
need than the Windows behavior; so it will be better to set it as a
possible keyboard profile configurable in the control panel (... wasn't
already so in older Kubuntu releases with KDE 3.X?).

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2009-11-25 Thread Umang
Earlier, when I wanted to change my shortcuts and started by pressing
Super_L (and was going to press E for open home folder), it said Super_L
and didn't allow a Super_L + ... I had to change some settings (make
Super a meta key I think) to get it to work.

I recently did a fresh install of Karmic (without using my old /home
also) and it now allows me to do Super_L + E without any other
configuration. So I presume half the problem here has been fixed.

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2009-10-02 Thread Antonio Roberts
I think forcing the keyboard to act like a Windows one is a bad idea.
With that said I can see why it could annoy people.

Could there be an option for people to set their keyboard to a Windows
keyboard i.e. an option to remap the keys to Windows' defaults and
resolve any conflicts at the press of a button.

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2009-09-19 Thread Fabio Isgrò
The super key it can be usefull for gnome terminal to act as copy paste
as alternative to the fingertwisting combo ctrl-shift-x and ctrl-shift-c

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2009-09-04 Thread Alan Bell
the string is in the language files of gnome-panel. This does not seem to be a 
rosetta/launchpad managed translation and the strings get compiled in to the 
binary. There seem to be translations for 102 languages.
If you get the source of gnome-panel and do grep -r -A 1 Browse and run * you 
will see them all.

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2009-09-04 Thread Elliot Hughes
Here's a git diff for UK and US English, its based on the gnome git of
gnome-panel.  I'd do some more but I really need to write a script to
automate adding the key combination. I'm also not sure how key
combinations are reperesented in languages that use a different
character set such as cryllic. After guidance about this I will
hopefully be able to create a full patch.

** Attachment added: Git diff for key combo addition
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Re: [Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2009-07-31 Thread Duncan Lithgow
What about helping people learn the Gnome shortcuts by adding the text
(ALT+F1) to the tool tip of the 'Applications' menu? That would
change it from:
* Browse and run installed applications
to
* Browse and run installed applications (ALT+F1)

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Re: [Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2009-07-31 Thread Elliot Hughes
That's a good idea and I'm surprised it hasn't been done already
actually.


On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Duncan Lithgow duncan.lith...@gmail.comwrote:

 What about helping people learn the Gnome shortcuts by adding the text
 (ALT+F1) to the tool tip of the 'Applications' menu? That would
 change it from:
 * Browse and run installed applications
 to
 * Browse and run installed applications (ALT+F1)

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 Status in gnome-control-center: Won't Fix
 Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: New
 Status in “gnome-control-center” package in Ubuntu: Invalid

 Bug description:
 Binary package hint: xkeyboard-config

 Please reassign package if it's wrong

 The current default is that the WIN key is not mapped to anything, that
 makes it an ideal canditate for doing something helpful _and_ helping those
 migrating from windows (The WIN key in windows open the start menu, used for
 opening applications).

 So, let's map it to the Applications menu (currently mapped to ALT+F1)


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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2009-07-29 Thread Elliot Hughes
I feel that a change like this is one that is likely to aggravate as
many people as the existing problem does.As has been shown by the
numerous ubuntu users on this bug and its duplicate, whilst new users do
expect the windows key to pop-up a start menu many of our existing users
would find it irritating. Just saying that users are capable of removing
the change isn't an effective argument against their disagreement. The
key is already used in compiz for many shortcuts and is also remapped by
many users to a variety of tasks, for people who use it in this way
making it do something else is sort of a papercut in itself.

The applications menu is by default pretty prominently placed at the top
of the screen. There are few distractions from it after a clean install,
it has a colourful image next to it and says 'Applications' next to it -
I think this is clue enough that this is the 'Start Menu' equivalent. So
arguments saying that this would help new users work out what to do
given the live cd or a clean install is nonsensical.

Many people have posted on the other bug that the Super_L key is
labelled start a lot of the time. I would like to say that as a UK user
it does not say 'Start' on many keyboards over here and in fact has a
large Windows flag on it.

So the issue boils down to whether the Super_L key is a more effective
shortcut key for the menu. Hitting the Super_L key requires the user to
move their whole hand down the keyboard to touch type it whereas Alt-F1
simply involves moving the thumb and raising the fourth finger - so in
my opinion the existing combo is more convenient - but I'm not a
useability expert, either way I don't think the difference is that
great. The argument for 'one key is better than two' is not all that
convincing and we don't use the F4 key to terminate an application and
many common keyboard symbols are implemented as key-combos. Users are
very used to this way of working.

A compromise could be a mention of the existing key combo after the
initial install or upon a LiveCD boot - another option would be to take
advantage of the new notify-osd onscreen messages. Having a tap of the
windows key display a one time message on the screen for a short period
of time informing the user of the Alt-F1 alternative would not disturb
existing users but would effectively inform new users.

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2009-07-29 Thread Hercules_100_98
This suggestion goes well beyond a papercut, but here goes anyway.

Pass this to the team handling the Migration tool that runs during the
install process.

As it stands the migration tool imports users bookmarks, wallpapers,
files etc from whatever other OS's it detects.

Why not create a script that runs as part of the migration tool to make
minor adjustments to Ubuntu based on the OS that the user is migrating
from.

Basically, if Windows is detected, and files are imported, then the
windows key should be mapped to the Applications menu. Firefox's address
bar should be set to select the entire contents etc. There are many more
examples

The same goes for Mac users (I'm just not familiar with the setup)

This would solve a huge amount of stress for new users and remove an
awful lot of but I can do that in Windows bug reports.

Anyone any thoughts on this?

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2009-07-29 Thread Samuel Coleman
Honestly, I think autodetection would be a terrible way to do it. It
would be confusing for the user if they switched to a new, cleanly-
loaded machine and found the behaviour different, and difficult for a
technician used to different keyboard shortcuts. It might be better to
do like SuSE did (does?) and prompt the user to select a set of keyboard
shortcuts on account creation, and then add an option somewhere so it
could be changed or checked later. That way, the user can select what
basic set of keyboard shortcuts they want (Windows-style, OS X-style,
Gnome-style, or KDE-style) from a clearly-labeled dialog, and there'll
be less risk of confusion at a later date.

BTW, Elliott, in North America, most keyboards here are labeled with a
Windows flag as well, although some newer keyboards, primarily those on
laptops, have a Vista-style flag-in-a-circle emblem.

   --- Samuel

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2009-07-29 Thread Hercules_100_98
Samuel, you are absolutely right, that would be a much more straight
forward method.

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2009-07-13 Thread Samuel Coleman
Also extremely useful would be Super+E, which, on Windows, opens Windows
Explorer to My Documents under XP and the user's C:\Users directory
under Vista (IIRC; don't quote me on that). Presumably, the appropriate
action under Gnome/Linux would be to open to the user's home directory.

Here's another idea: Super be mapped to the Applications menu, and the
other expected shortcuts (Super+R, Super+D, etc.) be mapped to
Ctrl+Alt+R, Ctrl+Alt+D, etc. Might that fit better, seeing as it's
already been done for a few things? (Ctrl+Alt+L for lock comes to mind.)

   --- Samuel

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2009-07-10 Thread Adrian
I'd agree that this should be changed.  I use Windows every day at work
and when I get home and start using Ubuntu find myself pressing:

Windows R - to run an application (which ends up zooming in the screen for some 
reason)
Windows D - to minimise windows
Windows L - to lock applications
Windows - Ideally to open the applications menu

I'd really like for this to be possible in Ubuntu.

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2009-06-30 Thread Martin Albisetti
Personally, I think this is the right thing to do. It won't break the *default* 
behavior, and if anyone has mapped it to anything else, it should remain that 
way.
I'm cautious to confirm it though, since upstream has marked it as 
invalid/won't fix.

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2009-06-25 Thread Sam Stenvall
Currently I have it set up so that when I press the Super key, all
windows are minimized. This is ONLY because it is not possible to create
a keyboard shortcut like Super+D (which would be the Windows equivalent
to minimizing all windows and focusing on the desktop). Thus, I think
this is just a wishlist item and not a real papercut bug.

What I, and probably many others too, would like is the ability to
create keyboard shortcuts that use the Super key as a combo key (like
Super+D to minimize all windows, Super+L to lock the screen etc.). Why
couldn't we just make all the standard Windows shortcuts the same on
Ubuntu?

I don't know about you guys, but after using Windows for many many years
you grow used to hitting Windows+D to minimize your open windows, and
when that same command doesn't work in Ubuntu, you get frustrated. On
top of that, the fact that you CANNOT mimic the same behaviour is even
more frustrating.

[/rant]

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Re: [Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2009-06-25 Thread The Fiddler
On Thu, 2009-06-25 at 21:27 +, Sam Stenvall wrote:
 Currently I have it set up so that when I press the Super key, all
 windows are minimized. This is ONLY because it is not possible to create
 a keyboard shortcut like Super+D (which would be the Windows equivalent
 to minimizing all windows and focusing on the desktop). 

You can do this by mapping Super_L to Meta in your keyboard layout
options. This is the very first thing I do when I install any Linux
distro.

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2009-06-23 Thread The Fiddler
Right now, is there a way to map Super_L to open the application menu
*and* be usable in two-key shortcuts (e.g. Super_L+D to minimize
windows), *without* modifying source code?

If so, it would make sense to make this default in Ubuntu.

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2009-06-23 Thread Travis Watkins
It isn't possible, no.

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2009-06-20 Thread Lightbreeze
Reopening this bug as a 'paper cut' because a duplicate was marked Confirmed.
Please take the time to read the comments in Bug #161960 before taking any more 
action with the status of this 'paper cut'.

** Tags added: feature-request

** Tags removed: feature-request

** Changed in: hundredpapercuts
   Status: Invalid = New

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2009-06-20 Thread Paul Hoell
You'd really rather use the key as a single key then a modifier? I don't
get that... Please leave it be and map the menu to somthing like
Super+x.

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2009-06-20 Thread mati
Paul, please read comments in bug 161960, the key would still function
properly as a modifier (and used for the menu only when released alone).
It's a severe thing, as many many of Ubuntu users come from the platform
where Super_L is used that way, and Alt-F1 is really not easily
discoverable.

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2009-06-15 Thread Jorge O. Castro
** Also affects: hundredpapercuts
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2009-06-15 Thread Mike Smith - dominoconsultant
Isn't this supposed to be for fixing annoyances.  Yes it's relatively
easy to reconfigure this, in fact it's one of the first things I change
after an install.  The fact remains that the expected behaviour for
the vast majority of new users is that that key open the main menu.  I
don't care that it's been co-opted for some other purpose; it should not
have been!

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2009-06-15 Thread Travis Watkins
Making this change would break more than it would 'fix' as you either
have to choose to use the Super key to open the applications menu or
choose it to be a modifier for a large number of other actions.
Currently the code does not support both and it would not be a trivial
change to fix this so this bug does not quality as a paper cut.

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2009-06-15 Thread Mike Smith - dominoconsultant
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts
   Status: Invalid = Confirmed

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2009-06-15 Thread Stefan Nuxoll
First, this isn't a bug.  Second, the SUPER key not being mapped to
anything allows it to be used as a modifier key without worring if
something else is already using it.  Linux is not Windows, as well, and
I don't see any benefit to changing this.

** Changed in: hundredpapercuts
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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2009-04-15 Thread Sebastien Bacher
upstream stated on http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=325736 that
they will not change it by default since the key is used for other
things too and it's easy enough to configure if you really want to use
it this way

** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #325736
   http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=325736

** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed = Invalid

** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs)

** Also affects: gnome-control-center via
   http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=325736
   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2009-04-15 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: gnome-control-center
   Status: Unknown = Won't Fix

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2009-02-12 Thread Bryce Harrington
SUPER_L is mappable already, but the choices of what to map it to
(Applications menu or whatever) is rather a GNOME thing.  Reassigning to
gnome-control-center.

** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu)
Sourcepackagename: xkeyboard-config = gnome-control-center

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2008-10-08 Thread Sebastien Bacher
** Changed in: xkeyboard-config (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs) = (unassigned)

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2008-07-18 Thread JP Vossen
Agree.

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2008-07-07 Thread Duncan Lithgow
Wow this is old. I'd forgotten I'd posted this...

@Phanton: You're right, but anyone who wants to use it must know how to
change keyboard shortcuts - so the fact that it's already assigned to
something won't be a problem for them. So it's a plus for switchers from
windows without being a minus for current users. Please correct me if
I'm wrong.

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2008-07-07 Thread Christian Funder Sommerlund
I agree with Duncan (and this bug/wishlist item).

It would be really useful to have Windows buttons assigned to the menu.
It seems to be a common annoyance that it isn't.

Surely the user could always map it to something else Phantom? I can't
see how a default mapping would be worse for the user. The minority that
doesn't like the Windows key mapped to menu (gamers with big fingers,
e.g. ;)) could always go unmap it in the key bindings dialog (unlike
Windows where it is a mess to do).

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2008-07-05 Thread Phantom
I'm against that idea. Button without default action is a good button to
assign somewhere. It doesn't conflict with anything (ex: compiz
functions).

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2006-07-25 Thread Onkar Shinde
It will really be helpful for users migrating from Windows.

At the same time existing users should also be able to use Alt+F1.
I am not sure if it is possible to assign two kwyboard shortcuts for one action.

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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2006-07-25 Thread Onkar Shinde
Please make it as wishlist.

** Changed in: xkeyboard-config (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Ubuntu Desktop Bugs
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[Bug 54024] Re: WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu

2006-07-25 Thread Jerome S. Gotangco
** Changed in: xkeyboard-config (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Untriaged = Wishlist

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