[Bug 620331] Re: please drop icon from keyboard indicator

2010-10-11 Thread Turbid
I confirm this ugly bug

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[Bug 620331] Re: please drop icon from keyboard indicator

2010-10-11 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
Yura, you're talking about a notification area item. The new menu does
not use a notification area item.

There's no point in confirming the bug yet again, or expressing
surprise that it's not fixed, when I explained seven weeks ago why it
couldn't be fixed for 10.10. All going according to plan, it will be
fixed in Ubuntu 11.04.

** Summary changed:

- please drop icon from keyboard indicator
+ Keyboard menu icon needlessly has both icon and label

** Summary changed:

- Keyboard menu icon needlessly has both icon and label
+ Keyboard menu title needlessly has both icon and label

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[Bug 620331] Re: please drop icon from keyboard indicator

2010-10-10 Thread Extender
Not fixed in release, why??

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[Bug 620331] Re: please drop icon from keyboard indicator

2010-10-10 Thread majesty
Remove an icon, please. That people,who use xneur or scroll lock LED for
indication, not need nonfunctional icon.

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[Bug 620331] Re: please drop icon from keyboard indicator

2010-10-10 Thread Extender
This icon (keyboard) is not needed for any people. It's a bug.
But in 10.04 I was able to remove indicator completely with gconf (yes I use 
xneur) , but now it not working too...  So I have 2 unnecessary icons wasting 
my screen :(

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[Bug 620331] Re: please drop icon from keyboard indicator

2010-10-10 Thread Yura Tolstik
please remove this stupid and useless keyboard icon

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[Bug 620331] Re: please drop icon from keyboard indicator

2010-10-10 Thread Karl Lattimer
The keyboard icon is because of we hit the API freeze before the
original bug of showing which is the current layout was fixed, we can't
change the API now therefore the icon is there to stay.

You can, turn on show_flags in gconf, and get a pack of flag files
extracted into ~/.icons/flags this will make turn the indicator into
just an icon, which indicates the current layout.

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[Bug 620331] Re: please drop icon from keyboard indicator

2010-10-10 Thread majesty
Thank you for answer, Karl. Why change the API to pick the icon? Simply
implement the key Do not display the icon and become happy.

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[Bug 620331] Re: please drop icon from keyboard indicator

2010-10-10 Thread Karl Lattimer
There are two issues here, firstly that the gconf key for *completely
hiding* the icon, should in fact work. I was assured so, and haven't
touched that part of the code - If in fact it doesn't work, that's a
bug, I'll happily fix.

Secondly, the icon beside the layout label is because we couldn't change
the api in the application indicators to hide the flag and show the
label, this would have led to a messy changes in the code and probable
ABI breakage. (binary interface, you change this and lots of horrible
things happen, unicorns die etc...)

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[Bug 620331] Re: please drop icon from keyboard indicator

2010-10-10 Thread Yura Tolstik
@Karl, in native gnome, when you turn on show_flags in gconf you can
see only flag, but when you turn off, you can see only letters without
image, and i am not sure that you had to change API to fix it

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[Bug 620331] Re: please drop icon from keyboard indicator

2010-10-10 Thread Karl Lattimer
@Yura, that *must* be a bug in the app indicators

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[Bug 620331] Re: please drop icon from keyboard indicator

2010-10-10 Thread Yura Tolstik
@Karl, but now, as I can see, there no bug in the app indicators
and I haven't permissions to nominate or reassign this bug to app indicators, 
please do it
Thanks

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[Bug 620331] Re: please drop icon from keyboard indicator

2010-10-10 Thread Extender
@Karl, may I set 2 empty icons in flags for now (1x1 pixel size) ?

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[Bug 620331] Re: please drop icon from keyboard indicator

2010-09-01 Thread David Barth
** Changed in: ayatana-ubuntu
Milestone: ubuntu-10.10-beta = ubuntu-10.10

** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu)
Milestone: ubuntu-10.10-beta = ubuntu-10.10

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[Bug 620331] Re: please drop icon from keyboard indicator

2010-08-31 Thread Karl Lattimer
I have a working patch which I'll be uploading to bug
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-ubuntu/+bug/599844 soon.

This will show the flags adjacent to the full label. It's a workaround
to the ugly keyboard icon described.

** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu)
   Status: In Progress = Fix Committed

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[Bug 620331] Re: please drop icon from keyboard indicator

2010-08-31 Thread Karl Lattimer
** Changed in: ayatana-ubuntu
   Status: New = Fix Committed

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Re: [Bug 620331] Re: please drop icon from keyboard indicator

2010-08-31 Thread Mark Shuttleworth

I don't think we want the icon at all - just the keyboard designator
text/image.

Mark

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[Bug 620331] Re: please drop icon from keyboard indicator

2010-08-31 Thread Karl Lattimer
Ok, well, I'll try to implement the second option suggested by MPT which
is to have the option in the control centre to hide the indicator as we
can't really hide the icon and leave the label without breaking ABI atm.

** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu)
   Status: Fix Committed = In Progress

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[Bug 620331] Re: please drop icon from keyboard indicator

2010-08-31 Thread Karl Lattimer
Oh, there is one other option, we have SVG/PNG icons created and drop
the label instead?

This would fit more with MPT's plan, although some complication could
arise with the numbering of multiple layouts from the same country.

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[Bug 620331] Re: please drop icon from keyboard indicator

2010-08-25 Thread Karl Lattimer
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-
daemon/+bug/623435

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[Bug 620331] Re: please drop icon from keyboard indicator

2010-08-25 Thread Karl Lattimer
** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = In Progress

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[Bug 620331] Re: please drop icon from keyboard indicator

2010-08-20 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
It wasn't clear from my previous comment, so: The only way for the menu
title to have just text would be to change the appindicator API. And it
would be a temporary change, because the goal is eventually for this
menu to have, as its title, the same icons as it will use for the
individual layout items.

However, there are two possible ways to improve the situation for
Maverick before the UI freeze next Wednesday.

One would be for an SVG guru to write that icon generation code, so that
the menu title *can* be just an icon, rather than icon+text.

The other would be for someone to implement the Show keyboard menu in
the menu bar checkbox, so that even people using multiple layouts can
turn off the menu if they don't need it.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KeyboardMenu#5.%20User%20switches%20the%20keyboard%20menu%20on%20or%20off

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[Bug 620331] Re: please drop icon from keyboard indicator

2010-08-20 Thread Martin Pitt
Matthew, thanks for the heads-up. I don't consider it a big deal, so
please feel free to close as wontfix if it's too complicated.

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[Bug 620331] Re: please drop icon from keyboard indicator

2010-08-20 Thread David Barth
Proposing to add a gconf key (at least) to be able to hide the indicator
even if multiple layouts are installed/registered. That should bring us
closer to mpt's design
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KeyboardMenu#5.%20User%20switches%20the%20keyboard%20menu%20on%20or%20off

And in a second step (if time still permits) adding the corresponding
checkbox to the gnome-control-center applet.

** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu)
Milestone: None = ubuntu-10.10-beta

** Also affects: ayatana-ubuntu
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Changed in: ayatana-ubuntu
   Importance: Undecided = Low

** Changed in: ayatana-ubuntu
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Karl Lattimer (karl-qdh)

** Changed in: ayatana-ubuntu
Milestone: None = ubuntu-10.10-beta

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[Bug 620331] Re: please drop icon from keyboard indicator

2010-08-20 Thread Sebastien Bacher
could you clarify what you call keyboard menu exactly? is that just
turning off the indicator? because most users don't need the indicator
to have a menu but still want the layout to be indicated because
otherwise they would not know where they are cycling or which one they
are using

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[Bug 620331] Re: please drop icon from keyboard indicator

2010-08-20 Thread Chris Coulson
gnome-settings-daemon already has a gconf key for switching off the
indicator
(/desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/general/disable_indicator)

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[Bug 620331] Re: please drop icon from keyboard indicator

2010-08-19 Thread Sebastien Bacher
I'm subscribing mpt and ted to the bug as well since I guess they will
have an opinion about it

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[Bug 620331] Re: please drop icon from keyboard indicator

2010-08-19 Thread Martin Pitt
Ah, actually the me-menu also has an icon plus text. But it's still
redundant IMHO.

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[Bug 620331] Re: please drop icon from keyboard indicator

2010-08-19 Thread Sebastien Bacher
The spacing on the left and right of the applet seem also different but
that's probably another bug? Or do you want to handle that discussion
there as well?

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[Bug 620331] Re: please drop icon from keyboard indicator

2010-08-19 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
My design specified that each layout should have an icon composed of its
abbreviation, and that this icon should be used both as the entire menu
title, and in the individual menu items.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KeyboardMenu#Use%20cases Unfortunately Karl
did not have time to implement that icon generation code for Maverick,
so he had to use a generic icon plus text for the title, and no icons at
all for the menu items.

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