[Bug 687670] Re: [Natty] Add a ubiquity slide for GDM Session choosing. Also add to help files.
** No longer affects: ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to yelp in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/687670 Title: [Natty] Add a ubiquity slide for GDM Session choosing. Also add to help files. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs/+bug/687670/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 687670] Re: [Natty] Add a ubiquity slide for GDM Session choosing. Also add to help files.
This has mutated into two ideas, as I read the comments on the report. First is the idea that the help be autostarted on first login. That's an interesting idea, but probably deserves discussion on a wider basis that just in a bug report. Would you be willing to start a discussion on the ubuntu-desktop mailing list? Dylan is right that this is only really an option now that yelp loads very fast, and we have a really inviting front page for the help. Second is the idea that the help should contain a page explaining the different login options. That seems to be a good idea to me. I've opened a separate bug report dealing with that at bug 813369. Closing this one. ** Changed in: ubuntu-docs Status: New = Invalid ** Changed in: yelp Status: New = Invalid ** Changed in: ubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) Status: New = Invalid ** Changed in: yelp (Ubuntu) Status: New = Invalid -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to yelp in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/687670 Title: [Natty] Add a ubiquity slide for GDM Session choosing. Also add to help files. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+bug/687670/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 687670] Re: [Natty] Add a ubiquity slide for GDM Session choosing. Also add to help files.
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Matt Sturgeon 687...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: Do you think that adding a page on this topic to the New to Ubuntu? section of the help docs seems appropriate? Absolutely. I suggest you chat with the documentation team on their mailing list (https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc), or on IRC (#ubuntu-doc on irc.freenode.net). They may already have something cooking, and if they don't I'm sure they will appreciate the help. Howabout autostarting the Welcome page (within New to ubuntu?) for first time logins? That discussion has popped up a few times. Never seems to reach a particular agreement. I think one concern was that Yelp was very slow, so with Yelp 3 in this release (which uses Webkit and has been touched up significantly) there will be more positives for doing it. Another worry is it could look too noisy, so there's definitely some work to be done implementing that in a way people can agree with. Again, probably the best people to talk to are the docs team. I have a hunch that idea really just needs somebody to commit to it and all the pieces will come together ;) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to yelp in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/687670 Title: [Natty] Add a ubiquity slide for GDM Session choosing. Also add to help files. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 687670] Re: [Natty] Add a ubiquity slide for GDM Session choosing. Also add to help files.
Thanks, I think that getting the Welcome page to autostart is very important, i mean, if users dont want it - just hit close and its gone forever, but the users who need it will never find it otherwize... I think the simplist solution is a shell script that removes it'self from the autostart list after running yelp targeting the correct page... But a more robust solution would be a checkbox in yelp's statusbar saying autostart the Welcome page or something. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to yelp in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/687670 Title: [Natty] Add a ubiquity slide for GDM Session choosing. Also add to help files. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 687670] Re: [Natty] Add a ubiquity slide for GDM Session choosing. Also add to help files.
I really appreciate that you took the time to make a branch for this, Matt. It does look good, and from the looks of it you did everything right! :) One other cool thing you can do: it's possible to make a bug that is fixed with a commit. If you're using the command line, it's something like bzr commit --fixes=lp:BUGNUMBER. If you're using Bazaar Explorer, there's a text box below where you enter the commit message to list any fixed bugs. This way, Launchpad can keep track of things a little better. I'm also quite interested in the layered screenshot you mentioned in the merge request (although the link is broken). I had no idea what those were, looked it up and it's a neat idea. Could make things very smooth… However, I do agree with Evan. This is the type of thing that shouldn't be necessary. It's kind of a mundane detail that the login screen should make clear on its own anyway. By presenting it front and centre here, we risk creating an illusion of complexity. Now somebody reading this sees two choices they must weigh. It may be obvious to us that one is the default (and we can even say “Unity is the default because it's shiny and new and awesome”), but people brand new to Ubuntu are not always happy when they see “Some Assembly May Be Required.“ They've already made the choice to drop Windows and clean install Ubuntu on top, and that's enough choosing for one day. The important thing here is making them feel satisfied, like they've made the right choice already (because they have). Pointing out what they can do Right Now (without deviating from Ubuntu's standard experience!) and how cool it is. On the other hand, this is certainly something to keep track of. If the appropriate stuff is put in place we won't need to, but it may be necessary to explain what the Ubuntu Classic Desktop / 2D desktop / whatever-we're-calling-it is, and what Unity is. We'll have to wait and see, I think. Not that choices are bad, but I think they are better presented later on, after somebody has experienced the defaults and has some opinions about what is new. If I understand correctly, Yelp will finally be usable. Maybe now is a good time to promote the offline help for that purpose. Just to clarify why I don't want the slideshow doing something it wouldn't need to do if another application was clearer: the slideshow should never, ever ever be necessary. If we use it to bandage UI blunders elsewhere, it risks being too important. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to yelp in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/687670 Title: [Natty] Add a ubiquity slide for GDM Session choosing. Also add to help files. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 687670] Re: [Natty] Add a ubiquity slide for GDM Session choosing. Also add to help files.
Ok, the branch for the GDM login slide is complete, will now propose for merging. ** Changed in: ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) Status: In Progress = Fix Committed ** Changed in: ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu Status: New = Invalid -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to yelp in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/687670 Title: [Natty] Add a ubiquity slide for GDM Session choosing. Also add to help files. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 687670] Re: [Natty] Add a ubiquity slide for GDM Session choosing. Also add to help files.
I don't think this is the right place to convey this information. The installation experience is targeted at new users who in all likelihood have no previous experience using Unity or GNOME, and thus throwing this in front of them would, I presume, only lead to confusion on why they have to make such a decision. Equally, the slideshow is a place to highlight key features of the operating system and community, of which this is not. ** Changed in: ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Committed = Won't Fix ** Changed in: ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) Assignee: Matt Sturgeon (mttza1) = (unassigned) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to yelp in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/687670 Title: [Natty] Add a ubiquity slide for GDM Session choosing. Also add to help files. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 687670] Re: [Natty] Add a ubiquity slide for GDM Session choosing. Also add to help files.
** Also affects: yelp Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Also affects: yelp (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Also affects: ubuntu-docs Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Also affects: ubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to yelp in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/687670 Title: [Natty] Add a ubiquity slide for GDM Session choosing. Also add to help files. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 687670] Re: [Natty] Add a ubiquity slide for GDM Session choosing. Also add to help files.
I have begun development of a ubiquity slide for this bug, currently my branch is not on launchpad. When I am finished with the slide should i upload a diff file (patch?) or request my branch for merging into trunk? Someone/I still needs to look at the help document mentioned above, any help on the source package name where the help documentation for Ubuntu is developed? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to yelp in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/687670 Title: [Natty] Add a ubiquity slide for GDM Session choosing. Also add to help files. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 687670] Re: [Natty] Add a ubiquity slide for GDM Session choosing. Also add to help files.
ok, my branch for the ubiquity-slideshow half of this bug is here: https://code.launchpad.net/~mttza1/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/login-slide ** Branch linked: lp:~mttza1/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/login-slide ** Changed in: ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) Status: New = In Progress ** Changed in: ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Matt Sturgeon (mttza1) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to yelp in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/687670 Title: [Natty] Add a ubiquity slide for GDM Session choosing. Also add to help files. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
