Re: Tomboy in Desktop
On 7/28/06, Andrew Cowie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does all this square with the notes component in Evolution? Seems that instead of both above the right term would be all three [I've had the switcher buttons turned off for a long time, so only just noticed that such a thing was even in Evolution... but it's part of the desktop, no?] This was part of the discussion of making tomboy use EDS for sharing notes with evolution. I forget how that discussion ended up iain ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Baobab
On 7/27/06, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Different point of view: I know an Ubuntu community member is working on an app to help a user clean up big stuff (and known things that take up a lot of room) on their disk. So instead of telling them to go run the weird app that makes them browse a graph of their disk and find stuff themselves, it suggests things based on its knowledge of GNOME disk usage and analysis of other large directories. Hey, wait! I am an Ubuntu Community member too...: https://launchpad.net/people/thesaltydog see also: http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/49268/index.html ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Baobab
On 7/27/06, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I *definitely* think Baobab is a cool tool. But I don't see why it should be (or needs to be) on every user's desktop. Jeff, maybe following links could help in answering your question? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=7050176 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue6 (see Feature of the Week) http://roozeec.over-blog.com/article-2937003.html http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/10/25/baobab-graphically-analyze-file-trees/ http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1002 (see user ratings and downloads) http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-379230-highlight-baobab.html http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=102127 Consider that baobab is not a simple replacement of du, but it can scan also remote folders on remote servers thru ssh,ftp,smb,http or https, and gives graphical representation of the disk usage by means of a TreeMap graph and (in the next future) a Pie Chart. Fabio ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Baobab
BTW, I just noticed baobab is not HIG compliant: * File-Preferences should be Edit-Preferences; * The file search dialog uses a frame, and has a separator; * Not sure HIG says anything about this, but having an Exit button in the toolbar is weird; also having a check button instead of a toggle button is weird. Cool program otherwise. Regards. On Sex, 2006-07-28 at 11:01 +0200, Fabio Marzocca wrote: On 7/27/06, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I *definitely* think Baobab is a cool tool. But I don't see why it should be (or needs to be) on every user's desktop. Jeff, maybe following links could help in answering your question? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=7050176 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue6 (see Feature of the Week) http://roozeec.over-blog.com/article-2937003.html http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/10/25/baobab-graphically-analyze-file-trees/ http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1002 (see user ratings and downloads) http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-379230-highlight-baobab.html http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=102127 Consider that baobab is not a simple replacement of du, but it can scan also remote folders on remote servers thru ssh,ftp,smb,http or https, and gives graphical representation of the disk usage by means of a TreeMap graph and (in the next future) a Pie Chart. Fabio ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list -- Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The universe is always one step beyond logic. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Baobab
On 7/28/06, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, I just noticed baobab is not HIG compliant: Current version in CVS HEAD is fully-HIG-compliant. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Baobab
On 7/28/06, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, I just noticed baobab is not HIG compliant: Gustavo, I have noticed you are using an old version... ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in Desktop
On 7/28/06, Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As you probably already know Havoc Pennington wrote a very interesting article about Working on Free Software http://ometer.com/hacking.html which makes a strong point of Don't start by launching your own project but Gnome is faced by a lot of overlapping projects. Strange as it may seem, some people don't take everything Havoc writes as gospel (forgive me Havoc). I disagreed with it on many points when I read it when he wrote it in 1999 and I still do now that I've read it again. I do suggest you give it a thorough read through yourself. Realistically taking [sticky notes] out of Gnome is a kiss of death. Realistically, sticky notes is dead. In the last 18months since its rewrite () it has received three commits that were adding features, the last being in January 2006 to add Hide Notes to the menu Now, it has had a good number of minor maintence commits, fix a memory leak here, a crasher there, but in terms of development, it is dead. I have nothing to say on anything else you have said, because really its all been said before and contains nothing new. I have stated my opinion, and I'd be extremely happy if you left it at that. iain ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Winners of today's build breakages
On Thu, 2006-07-27 at 16:36 +0200, Frederic Peters wrote: Carlos Garnacho wrote: This decision saddens me... I should mention that there's an internal copy of Net::DBus in CVS since July 7th, it's just that I've lacked both time and internet connection to make tarballs, I'll work on it, although it seems a bit late... And it would probably be better for this internal copy not to install in Perl global directories; unfortunately I have not enough Perl-fu to know about this. I think the main issue in that case is packagers, and they'll probably package Net::DBus separatedly and avoid the internal copy, but you're right, it's fixed in HEAD. Regards Frederic ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Baobab
On 7/27/06, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are explaining *how* Baobab does what it does, not what the user goal is that we should be addressing. I think you hit the problem, and it has to do with the way Baobab currently presents itself to the user, but I don't think it would be hard to change that presentation. I think the problem is the discoverability of this tool is very poor. I don't think the appropiate way to access it is from the Applications menu. I think just a little bit of Nautilus integration. The use case for the average user of this tool is that they are trying to save space, and find what folder is taking up a lot of space. The traditional approach, as previously mentioned, is to right click on each folder and select properties, which is very time consuming, but thats the best way the user is most likely going to think to do it, because file management takes place in nautilus. If the context menu had an option Analyze Disk Usage when you select one or more folders, and then that automatically opened baobab and then automatically scanned the folders, then it would make itself very useful to users, as they would recognize they don't need to go to properties for each folder. I also think the UI needs a usability review. The preferences dialog seems very confusing, and I think the entire menu could be removed in this tool as _everything_ is duplicated on the toolbar (except preferences which I don't see a point to that dialog anyways)... Also, if it integrates into nautilus as I mentioned, then maybe the Filesystem/Folder/Network buttons could be removed as well... at the very least, why do we need seperate buttons for Folder and Filesystem when Filesystem is in the filechooser? So, in summary, I think the thing to do is give it a good UI/usability review and change the way the application is launched, and I think it would make a great addition to the desktop. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Baobab
On 7/28/06, intech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: had an option Analyze Disk Usage when you select one or more folders, and then that automatically opened baobab and then automatically scanned the folders, then it would make itself very useful to users, as they would recognize they don't need to go to properties for each folder. If you have properly set up things, when you right-click on a folder from Nautilus, you have Open with Baobab in the context-menu. Fabio ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Baobab
On 7/28/06, intech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also think the UI needs a usability review. The preferences dialog seems very confusing, and I think the entire menu could be removed in The preference dialog lists all the mounted devices (as reported by glibtop) and allows users to un-select some of them from a global scan. For instance, if you have a pc with several network disks mounted, this is to avoid/allow scanning over the LAN. If it is not clear, I can change the UI, but this is the very first time I hear about unclarity of the prefs dialog, not even a complain from an user... Anyway, everything in this world is perfectable. Fabio ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Baobab
Hmm, I guess Ubuntu Edgy isn't properly setup _ But does that mean anything to normal users? Open with some random set of letters that I can't pronounce? It needs to be something clear to users that they should go to that option rather then properties when they're hunting for folders that are taking up a lot of space. On 7/28/06, Fabio Marzocca [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/28/06, intech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: had an option Analyze Disk Usage when you select one or more folders, and then that automatically opened baobab and then automatically scanned the folders, then it would make itself very useful to users, as they would recognize they don't need to go to properties for each folder. If you have properly set up things, when you right-click on a folder from Nautilus, you have Open with Baobab in the context-menu. Fabio ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
