Problems using gnome-2-18 branch for evolution-data-server in jhbuild

2007-03-17 Thread Luca Ferretti
It seems that evo stuff silently branched for GNOME 2.18.

I tried to update jhbuild moduleset to use this branch (patch attached),
but it seems there are some issues against libical in
evolution-data-server. Here is the jhbuild console log trying to perform
the svn switch:

--

*** Checking out evolution-data-server *** [1/91]

svn switch http://svn.gnome.org/svn/evolution-data-server/branches/gnome-2-18

svn: URL 'http://svn.gnome.org/svn/libical/gnome-2-18' doesn't exist

Fetching external item into 'calendar/libical'
*** error during stage checkout of evolution-data-server: ## 
Error running svn update . *** [1/91]

---

Any idea? Please note that jhbuild is trying to get the wrong
directory: it should be svn.gnome.org/svn/libical/branches/gnome-2-18,
not svn.gnome.org/svn/libical/gnome-2-18
Index: modulesets/gnome-2.18.modules
===
--- modulesets/gnome-2.18.modules	(revisione 1430)
+++ modulesets/gnome-2.18.modules	(copia locale)
@@ -1508,20 +1508,19 @@
 /dependencies
   /autotools
   autotools id=gtkhtml
-branch/
+branch revision=gnome-2-18/
 dependencies
   dep package=gtk+/
   dep package=libgnomeui/
   dep package=libbonoboui/
   dep package=libglade/
   dep package=gail/
-  dep package=libgnomeprint/
-  dep package=libgnomeprintui/
   dep package=libsoup/
+  dep package=gnome-icon-theme/
 /dependencies
   /autotools
   autotools id=evolution-data-server supports-non-srcdir-builds=no
-branch/
+branch revision=gnome-2-18/
 dependencies
   dep package=libbonobo/
   dep package=libgnome/
@@ -1534,7 +1533,7 @@
 /dependencies
   /autotools
   autotools id=evolution
-branch/
+branch revision=gnome-2.18/
 dependencies
   dep package=evolution-data-server/
   dep package=gtkhtml/
@@ -1555,7 +1554,7 @@
 /dependencies
   /autotools
   autotools id=evolution-exchange
-branch/
+branch revision=gnome-2-18/
 dependencies
dep package=evolution-data-server/
dep package=evolution/
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Re: Using C++ bindings for desktop/admin/devtools modules

2007-03-17 Thread Dodji Seketeli
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:53:58 -0500
Shaun McCance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 We do actually already have C++ in the desktop with
 Epiphany, although that C++ code is limited to the
 Mozilla embedding, which you can't exactly get around.

Ekiga is also written in C++, although not based on gtkmm.
 
 So the question is, do we want to allow programs in the
 desktop that are written entirely in C++?

It would be nice to send a positive signal to the c++ developers
sitting out there :-)

 If so, then
 it would be silly to forbid them from using gtkmm.

Amen brother.
 

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Re: Using C++ bindings for desktop/admin/devtools modules

2007-03-17 Thread Jonathon Jongsma
On 3/16/07, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all,

 Right now, modules in desktop/admin/devtools suites can use the python
 bindings. We also accept the use of gtk# for proposed modules. However,
 it was never really agreed whether it was okay or not to use our C++
 bindings for GNOME modules.

 Those bindings have been rock-solid for quite some time now, and we have
 a few applications using C++ here and there.

 Does it make sense to allow the use of gtkmm and other C++ bindings in
 our desktop/admin/devtools suites?

 Thanks,

 Vincent

As a frequent user of the gnome/gtk C++ bindings, I have to say that
the C++ bindings are indeed rock solid and extremely high-quality.
It's a pleasure to code applications using gtkmm, which is a testament
both to the design of GTK+ and the tireless and often thankless work
of people like Murray.

Unfortunately, right now there is a bit of a mindset in the free
software world that if you're a C++ hacker, you belong in KDE, and if
you're a C hacker, you belong in GNOME. I think a decision to accept
applications written with C++ bindings in all GNOME release suites
would send a positive signal to other C++ developers that there is
top-notch C++ support for developing within GNOME, and there's a
vibrant C++ developer community within GNOME as well.

So obviously I'm very much in favor of accepting gtkmm / C++ apps in
all of the GNOME release suites.
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Re: Using C++ bindings for desktop/admin/devtools modules

2007-03-17 Thread Elijah Newren
On 3/17/07, Jonathon Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 3/16/07, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Does it make sense to allow the use of gtkmm and other C++ bindings in
  our desktop/admin/devtools suites?

 As a frequent user of the gnome/gtk C++ bindings, I have to say that
 the C++ bindings are indeed rock solid and extremely high-quality.
 It's a pleasure to code applications using gtkmm, which is a testament
 both to the design of GTK+ and the tireless and often thankless work
 of people like Murray.

 Unfortunately, right now there is a bit of a mindset in the free
 software world that if you're a C++ hacker, you belong in KDE, and if
 you're a C hacker, you belong in GNOME. I think a decision to accept
 applications written with C++ bindings in all GNOME release suites
 would send a positive signal to other C++ developers that there is
 top-notch C++ support for developing within GNOME, and there's a
 vibrant C++ developer community within GNOME as well.

 So obviously I'm very much in favor of accepting gtkmm / C++ apps in
 all of the GNOME release suites.

As a C++ developer who almost decided to join KDE instead of GNOME
several years ago for the reasons Jonathon listed, I mostly agree with
him.  The part I don't agree with is the in _all_ of the GNOME
release suites; I don't think that gtkmm/c++ apps or libs should be
allowed in the developer platform suite.
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Re: Problems using gnome-2-18 branch for evolution-data-server in jhbuild

2007-03-17 Thread Elijah Newren
On 3/17/07, Luca Ferretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It seems that evo stuff silently branched for GNOME 2.18.

Interesting...it appears there may be a bug in evolution, or Harish's
mail server.  Harish did send an email, and it looks like it was
supposed to go to all the appropriate lists (d-d-l, r-t, g-i18n,
g-d-l), but it only made it to r-t.  See
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2007-March/msg00160.html.

(I don't know the answer to your real question, so hopefully someone
else who knows svn better can answer it)
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Re: Using C++ bindings for desktop/admin/devtools modules

2007-03-17 Thread Jonathon Jongsma
On 3/17/07, Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 3/17/07, Jonathon Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Unfortunately, right now there is a bit of a mindset in the free
  software world that if you're a C++ hacker, you belong in KDE, and if
  you're a C hacker, you belong in GNOME. I think a decision to accept
  applications written with C++ bindings in all GNOME release suites
  would send a positive signal to other C++ developers that there is
  top-notch C++ support for developing within GNOME, and there's a
  vibrant C++ developer community within GNOME as well.
 
  So obviously I'm very much in favor of accepting gtkmm / C++ apps in
  all of the GNOME release suites.

 As a C++ developer who almost decided to join KDE instead of GNOME
 several years ago for the reasons Jonathon listed, I mostly agree with
 him.  The part I don't agree with is the in _all_ of the GNOME
 release suites; I don't think that gtkmm/c++ apps or libs should be
 allowed in the developer platform suite.

Right, I guess when I said 'all', I was only thinking about the
desktop/admin/devtools suites that vincent originally mentioned.  I
wasn't trying to argue for C++ in the developer platform.  Just so
that's clear.

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Re: Problems using gnome-2-18 branch for evolution-data-server in jhbuild

2007-03-17 Thread guenther
On Sat, 2007-03-17 at 09:48 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote:
 On 3/17/07, Luca Ferretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  It seems that evo stuff silently branched for GNOME 2.18.
 
 Interesting...it appears there may be a bug in evolution, or Harish's
 mail server.  Harish did send an email, and it looks like it was
 supposed to go to all the appropriate lists (d-d-l, r-t, g-i18n,
 g-d-l), but it only made it to r-t.  See
 http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2007-March/msg00160.html.

Elijah, since the mail was delivered at least once and hence has been
sent by the MUA, it can not be the MUAs fault.

My go on this: The mail has been sent from a different account than
previous posts -- which appears not to be subscribed to d-d-l. The r-t
list is not moderated, unlike almost every other mailing list. I believe
if you check the moderation queues, you will find these copies.

  guenther


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Re: Using C++ bindings for desktop/admin/devtools modules

2007-03-17 Thread Dodji Seketeli
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:53:58 -0500
Shaun McCance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 We do actually already have C++ in the desktop with
 Epiphany, although that C++ code is limited to the
 Mozilla embedding, which you can't exactly get around.

Ekiga is also written in C++, although not based on gtkmm.
 
 So the question is, do we want to allow programs in the
 desktop that are written entirely in C++?

It would be nice to send a positive signal to the c++ developers
sitting out there :-)

 If so, then
 it would be silly to forbid them from using gtkmm.

Amen brother.
 

Cheers,

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Re: Evolution and friends branched for GNOME 2.18

2007-03-17 Thread Lucas Rocha
Hi Harish,

After you have something decided about your roadmap, please update
http://live.gnome.org/RoadMap accordingly, ok?

Thanks in advance,

--lucasr

2007/3/16, Harish Krishnaswamy [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi,

 I've just branched evolution, evolution-data-server, GtkHTML and
 evolution-exchange for GNOME 2.18.  New development will happen in the
 trunk and bug fixes too (the important ones on the stable branch as
 well).

 Do join us for the roadmap discussions and plans for Evolution 2.12[1]
  on http://go-evolution.org.

 Thanks,
 Harish

 [1] There is a suggestion that Evolution should synchronize its
 version numbers with the GNOME release and this is up for
 consideration too. So let us just call it the next Evolution
 development series (unstable).

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gnome 2.19 schedule.

2007-03-17 Thread Andre Klapper
a draft for the gnome 2.19 schedule is available at
http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointNineteen .

comments welcome.

andre

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Re: gnome 2.19 schedule.

2007-03-17 Thread Étienne Bersac
Hi,

Well, according to Roadmap, GnomeScan seems to be one of the highlight
of Gnome 2.20. GnomeScan got its repo since less than a week. Waiting
for this repos, i designed GnomeScan (see
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeScan/Spec and
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeScan/API ).

In the meantime two other related projects have started : imcapd
( http://imcapd.sf.net/ ) which is responsible to handle scanner buttons
monitoring through SANE, sharing and other feature ; Gnome OCR which is
started by student in Bordeaux I and won't land off before this summer.
I restared Gnome Scan development as some may have notice (and i'm very
glade to use Gnome SVN).

So, obviously, Gnome Scan won't be ready for new modules due. :(

Regards,
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