Boxes (was Re: 3.4 Features, final round)

2011-11-07 Thread Vincent Untz
Le dimanche 06 novembre 2011, à 17:06 +0100, Frederic Peters a écrit :
 + Boxes
   https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointThree/Features/Boxes
   → many commits, mclasen will push the developers to blog a progress report
 once they have something to show

While Boxes look interesting, to me, it feels like it's just an
application, and not a feature per se. And I'm not saying that in a
negative way :-)

So unless I'm missing something, I wouldn't track that as a 3.4 feature.
We can of course talk about the app when promoting 3.4, though.

Cheers,

Vincent

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Re: 3.4 Features, final round

2011-11-07 Thread Jens Georg
On So, 2011-11-06 at 17:06 +0100, Frederic Peters wrote:
 Hello all,
 
 It's about time to decide on the major features we'll track for 3.4.
 Actually the release team already met yesterday and did a quick round
 up of the proposed features, here's a summary (title/url) of them as
 well a a quick release team note.
 
 If you feel that something important hasn't been mentioned yet about a
 proposal, or if you have questions or comments about them, go ahead
 and speak now.

What about Sharing? Zeeshan proposed it again for 3.4 after the initial
feature request mail .


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Support vala plugins in gnome-settings-daemon

2011-11-07 Thread Timo Kluck
Dear gnome-developers,

I've started a branch to allow writing plugins for
gnome-settings-daemon in Vala.
It's really convenient to be able to write plugins in Vala; it requires
subclassing a GObject class which is very nontrivial in C but very easy in Vala.
For now, I've only added an empty dummy plugin, but I'd like to use it later.

This requires an extra dependency on valac, but only at distribution
time; I believe
that automake's support for vala actually includes the intermediate C
files in the
tarball, so the user doesn't need the vala compiler.

The branch can be found at [1].

I'm no autotools or vala wizard, so I will really appreciate any your
feedback you
may have.

Best regards,
Timo Kluck


[1] https://gitorious.org/~tkluck/gnome-settings-daemon/vala-plugins
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Re: Support vala plugins in gnome-settings-daemon

2011-11-07 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 14:14 +0100, Timo Kluck wrote:
 Dear gnome-developers,
 
 I've started a branch to allow writing plugins for
 gnome-settings-daemon in Vala.

We use the gnomecc list (copied) for gnome-settings-daemon and
gnome-control-center development, or you can find us on #control-center
on GIMPNet IRC.

 It's really convenient to be able to write plugins in Vala; it requires
 subclassing a GObject class which is very nontrivial in C but very easy in 
 Vala.
 For now, I've only added an empty dummy plugin, but I'd like to use it later.
 
 This requires an extra dependency on valac, but only at distribution
 time; I believe
 that automake's support for vala actually includes the intermediate C
 files in the
 tarball, so the user doesn't need the vala compiler.
 
 The branch can be found at [1].

Is there any particular reason why you want to develop plugins in vala?
gnome-settings-daemon is not a general-purpose application, and I do not
know of any third-party plugins to it (meaning that all the plugins live
in gnome-settings-daemon and that, as maintainers, we would prefer
seeing plugins written in C).

 I'm no autotools or vala wizard, so I will really appreciate any your
 feedback you
 may have.

So, do you have a particular reason why you would want to write a new
plugin in Vala?

Cheers

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Re: Boxes (was Re: 3.4 Features, final round)

2011-11-07 Thread Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org wrote:
 Le dimanche 06 novembre 2011, à 17:06 +0100, Frederic Peters a écrit :
 + Boxes
   https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointThree/Features/Boxes
   → many commits, mclasen will push the developers to blog a progress report
     once they have something to show

 While Boxes look interesting, to me, it feels like it's just an
 application, and not a feature per se. And I'm not saying that in a
 negative way :-)

  You are correct in the sense that it is 'an' application and not 'a'
feature. It is more like 2 essential features combined in one:

1. Remote display: It is very common to own/having to deal with
multiple machines these days so many users really need ability to
easily connect to remote machines (virtual and real).

2. Trying out OSs: Each time we release GNOME, I really want to try it
out and I know many people who do. Same goes for distros but people
usually try to avoid risks and therefore most people wait till the OS
in question is stable enough. I have even seen people avoid trying out
an OS just because they are too scared of it doing any harm to their
computers. Users will definitely appreciate an easy and completely
secure way to try out OSs.

   I think these features are very essential and therefore should be
available in every GNOME installation out of the box.

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Regards,

Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
FSF member#5124
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Re: Boxes (was Re: 3.4 Features, final round)

2011-11-07 Thread Frederic Peters
Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote:

 On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org wrote:
  Le dimanche 06 novembre 2011, à 17:06 +0100, Frederic Peters a écrit :
  + Boxes
    https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointThree/Features/Boxes
    → many commits, mclasen will push the developers to blog a progress 
  report
      once they have something to show
 
  While Boxes look interesting, to me, it feels like it's just an
  application, and not a feature per se. And I'm not saying that in a
  negative way :-)
 
   You are correct in the sense that it is 'an' application and not 'a'
 feature. It is more like 2 essential features combined in one:
 
 1. Remote display: It is very common to own/having to deal with
 multiple machines these days so many users really need ability to
 easily connect to remote machines (virtual and real).

Talking about connecting to remote machines, how will Boxes coexist
with Vinagre? Do you expect its features to be available via Boxes by
3.4 time, or should both of them coexist for a while?

David, what's your take on this?


 2. Trying out OSs: Each time we release GNOME, I really want to try it
 out and I know many people who do. Same goes for distros but people
 usually try to avoid risks and therefore most people wait till the OS
 in question is stable enough. I have even seen people avoid trying out
 an OS just because they are too scared of it doing any harm to their
 computers. Users will definitely appreciate an easy and completely
 secure way to try out OSs.

I appreciate Boxes could help here but really, trying out OSs is not a
common hobby :)




Fred
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