Re: Changing gnome-love to newcomers

[Carlos Soriano Sanchez]

Hi,

I think we are thinking only about Bugzilla, but the change should be across 
the wiki and IRC as well.
So I don't think "easyfix" or "beginner-friendly" is a good fit.
I recommend the easiest and more compressible word you can think of; so I would 
go with "newcomers".

Cheers,
Carlos Soriano

- Original Message -
| 
| 
| 
| Den 5 sep 2015 21:38 skrev "Philip Chimento" < philip.chime...@gmail.com >:
| > 
| > On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna < s...@ramkrishna.me >
| > wrote:
| >> 
| >> On Sat, Sep 5, 2015, 12:00 PM Kalev Lember < kalevlem...@gmail.com >
| >> wrote:
| >>> 
| >>> On 09/05/2015 06:44 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
| >>> > Yes, and we'll need to figure out how hard that would be to change.
| >>> > What would be an appropriate name to replace it? A newcomer keyword? I
| >>> > kind of like 'apprentice' or something like that.
| >>> 
| >>> easyfix?
| > 
| > "beginner-friendly" or "newcomer-friendly" or some other kind of friendly?
| > --
| 
| I like this sentiment better than easyfix. It does not need to be easy,
| really. Need to be an easy entry point I feel.
| 
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Re: Changing gnome-love to newcomers

[Alexandre Franke]

On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 4:25 PM,   wrote:
> "beginners" ? I prefer it over "newcommers" because you can still feel a
> beginner in some areas even if you've been around for some time.

That's the precise reason why we shouldn't use "beginners". If I'm a
senior software engineer with 10 or 15 years of experience, but
discovering Free Software or GNOME, I don't want to be called a
beginner.

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Renaming a project

[Pierre Wieser]

Hi, 

I am the maintainer of Nautilus-Actions [1][2].

As Nautilus has been renamed Files in Gnome, and because I want extend my 
application
to other file-managers, I'd wish rename the nautilus-actions project to 
something like
file-manager-actions.

Apart from renaming source files, components, built binaries, etc. what is the 
process
to rename a project regarding git.gnome.org ? I have not yet tried, but I may 
suppose
that top-level directory (aka project) creation is not opened to anyone ?

Ideally, after the transition, all the history would have go under 
file-manager-actions/
project, while the nautilus-actions projet iself would contain only a small 
README file
indicating the new name and location of the project.

Thanks in advance for your help in the matter.
Regards,
Pierre

[1] https://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus-actions
[2] http://www.nautilus-actions.org
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Re: Renaming a project

[Emmanuele Bassi]

Hi;

On 7 September 2015 at 15:54, Pierre Wieser  wrote:

> Apart from renaming source files, components, built binaries, etc. what is 
> the process
> to rename a project regarding git.gnome.org ? I have not yet tried, but I may 
> suppose
> that top-level directory (aka project) creation is not opened to anyone ?

The usual process would be for you to create a new repository, called
file-manager-actions, and push the current contents of the
nautilus-actions repositories there; this will preserve the history,
and will allow people to keep pointing to the nautilus-actions
repository. At that point, you can replace all the contents of the
nautilus-actions repository with a README that points to the new
repository, or you can decide to leave the repository as it is, and
just add a deprecation notice in the existing README file.

After that, you can ask one of the system administrators to move the
nautilus-actions repository to the "attic", so that it's clear that
the old repository has been deprecated.

Ciao,
 Emmanuele.

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Re: Changing gnome-love to newcomers

[Carlos Soriano Sanchez]

Yeah, although I would like beginners for it, I agree with Alexandre. You don't
want to be called beginner.
FWIW We used newcommers previously, like for the newcommers tutorial and 
workshops [0].

[0]https://wiki.gnome.org/GnomeLove/NewcomersTutorial

- Original Message -
| On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 4:25 PM,   wrote:
| > "beginners" ? I prefer it over "newcommers" because you can still feel a
| > beginner in some areas even if you've been around for some time.
| 
| That's the precise reason why we shouldn't use "beginners". If I'm a
| senior software engineer with 10 or 15 years of experience, but
| discovering Free Software or GNOME, I don't want to be called a
| beginner.
| 
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Re: Changing gnome-love to newcomers

[liberforce]

Le 2015-09-07 10:29, Carlos Soriano Sanchez a écrit :

I think we are thinking only about Bugzilla, but the change should be
across the wiki and IRC as well.
So I don't think "easyfix" or "beginner-friendly" is a good fit.
I recommend the easiest and more compressible word you can think of;
so I would go with "newcomers".


"beginners" ? I prefer it over "newcommers" because you can still feel a
beginner in some areas even if you've been around for some time.
That's also the keyword most people would use on a search engine I 
think,

so I'd prefer simplicity and obviousness over fancy names (otherwise I'd
have chosen "starters", so people would know where to start their meal 
:p).


Also, I think having the same name for IRC channel and bugzilla keyword 
as

before would be nice.
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Re: Changing gnome-love to newcomers

[Sriram Ramkrishna]

On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 3:57 PM Evan Nemerson  wrote:

> OpenHatch uses "bite-sized" for the concept.  They also have a wiki
> page with a list of what that maps to for other projects at
> https://openhatch.org/wiki/Bug_trackers
>
>
Yep, my plan is to export our bugs to open hatch and anywhere else who
advertise bugs to be fixed.

bite-sized is not a bad idea either.  I'm leaving it up to Carlos on what
it should be called as he's the one who has been trying to build the
community.

I don't think we want to think too hard about the bugzilla tag.  It's an
implementation detail that is primarily the concern of the bug squad and
the newcomer.  Most people are not going to be paying that much attention
to it.  As long as we all agree what it means, we're probably fine.  We're
changing gnome-love because it is overly tribal knowledge on what it means
and so what we want to present outside of GNOME is something easy to
understand.  'newcomer' would make sense to bugs being advertised on
openhatch for instance.

Great point, though, much appreciated.

sri


>
> Evan
>
> On Sat, 2015-09-05 at 16:44 +, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
> > On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 7:57 AM Alexandre Franke <
> > alexandre.fra...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 1:45 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna <
> > > s...@ramkrishna.me>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Does anybody have an objection to changing the irc channel from
> > > #gnome-love
> > > > to #newcomers?  We'll probably change wiki names and everything
> > > > else
> > > > associated with gnome-love over time.  But the immediate change
> > > > will be
> > > the
> > > > irc channel.
> > >
> > > Isn't the bugzilla keyword the second most prominent use? That
> > > should
> > > be changed as well.
> > >
> > >
> > Yes, and we'll need to figure out how hard that would be to change.
> >  What
> > would be an appropriate name to replace it?  A newcomer keyword?  I
> > kind of
> > like 'apprentice' or something like that.
> >
> > sri
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Re: Changing gnome-love to newcomers

[Evan Nemerson]

OpenHatch uses "bite-sized" for the concept.  They also have a wiki
page with a list of what that maps to for other projects at
https://openhatch.org/wiki/Bug_trackers


Evan

On Sat, 2015-09-05 at 16:44 +, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 7:57 AM Alexandre Franke <
> alexandre.fra...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 1:45 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna <
> > s...@ramkrishna.me>
> > wrote:
> > > Does anybody have an objection to changing the irc channel from
> > #gnome-love
> > > to #newcomers?  We'll probably change wiki names and everything
> > > else
> > > associated with gnome-love over time.  But the immediate change
> > > will be
> > the
> > > irc channel.
> > 
> > Isn't the bugzilla keyword the second most prominent use? That
> > should
> > be changed as well.
> > 
> > 
> Yes, and we'll need to figure out how hard that would be to change. 
>  What
> would be an appropriate name to replace it?  A newcomer keyword?  I
> kind of
> like 'apprentice' or something like that.
> 
> sri
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