Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

[Debarshi Ray]

On Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 05:56:25PM -0500, Carlos Soriano via desktop-devel-list 
wrote:
> I'm missing some rooms though, like #nautilus or #gnome-photos etc

Nitpick: it is just #photos.
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Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

[Germán Poo-Caamaño]

On Thu, 2017-03-02 at 22:05 +, Matthew Hodgson wrote:
> We deliberately don't implement gravatar support as it's a bit of a
> privacy issue, given it lets gravatar track and correlate users
> across a wide range of services. I guess we could provide it as an
> option though :)

That is a nice privacy feature.

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Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

[Sriram Ramkrishna]

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 2:56 PM Carlos Soriano via desktop-devel-list <
desktop-devel-list@gnome.org> wrote:

> Excellent news we have matrix bridge, thanks Matthew!
>
> I'm missing some rooms though, like #nautilus or #gnome-photos etc. Are
> they on the bridge and the search is having problems to find them or are
> they out for some reason?
>

There is no 'pre-join' so you need to join them as the irc gateway is to
the entire gimpnet.  So do something like:

/join #_gimpnet_#nautilus:matrix.org

similar to gnome-photos.

sri


>
> Best regards,
> Carlos Soriano
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs
> about communication)
> Local Time: March 2, 2017 11:05 PM
> UTC Time: March 2, 2017 10:05 PM
> From: matt...@matrix.org
> To: Alberto Ruiz 
> Carlos Soriano , Desktop Development List <
> desktop-devel-list@gnome.org>
>
> We deliberately don't implement gravatar support as it's a bit of a
> privacy issue, given it lets gravatar track and correlate users across a
> wide range of services. I guess we could provide it as an option though :)
>
> --
> Matthew Hodgson
> Matrix.org
>
> On 2 Mar 2017, at 22:02, Alberto Ruiz  wrote:
>
> Yeah I just did, the web app went well. I was on the train while trying.
> This is really neat stuff, will gather a bunch of feedback. So far the lack
> of automatic gravatar support comes to mind.
>
> 2017-03-02 22:00 GMT+00:00 Sriram Ramkrishna :
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 1:53 PM Alberto Ruiz  wrote:
>
> Tried to register through the Riot mobile app... the register request
> timed out.
>
>
>
> Try the web app version - http://riot.im/
>
> sri
>
>
> 2017-03-02 19:32 GMT+00:00 Matthew Hodgson :
>
> On 03/02/2017 15:57, Matthew Hodgson wrote:
>
> On 3 Feb 2017, at 13:00, Alexandre Franke 
> Matthew, anything blocking the bridging on our side?
>
>
> Nothing blocking at all; it's all on our side, which has ended up
> blocked on FOSDEM - we've had to prioritise a sprint to ship new
> releases for FOSDEM and are currently all on trains to Brussels. It's
> top of the IRC bridging backlog and we should get to it early next
> week. Sorry for the delay...
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> We've finally set up a bridge hosted by matrix.org that links GIMPNet
> into Matrix (as per the earlier bits of this thread).  Sorry that it took
> so long to happen: FOSDEM ended up being even crazier than we expected, and
> we've spent the last month handling the traffic increases and operational
> excitements that came off the back of it.
>
> The bridge has been set up to provide access to all of GIMPNet through
> matrix room aliases of form:
>
>  #_gimpnet_${channelname}:matrix.org
>
> e.g.
>
>  #_gimpnet_#gtk+:matrix.org
>
> The easiest way to use the new bridge is probably through Riot, the
> current flagship Matrix client: URLs for direct access to a room via
> riot-web are of the form:
>
> https://riot.im/app/#/room/#_gimpnet_#gtk+:matrix.org
> 
>
> You can also join using "/join #_gimpnet_#gtk+:matrix.org" style syntax,
> or using the graphical room directory (button linked from the bottom left).
>
> We haven't turned on guest access on the bridge, so users are forced to
> register an account (and go through a captcha) before joining channels.
>
> You can spot folks connecting via Matrix as by default they have a [m]
> suffix on their nickname.
>
> Feedback very welcome!  We are still in beta, and very interested in
> making sure it fits the bill for communities like GNOME :)
>
> Matthew
>
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Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

[Carlos Soriano via desktop-devel-list]

oh excellent, thanks!



Best regards,
Carlos Soriano

 Original Message 

Subject: Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about 
communication)
Local Time: March 3, 2017 12:02 AM
UTC Time: March 2, 2017 11:02 PM
From: afra...@gnome.org
To: Carlos Soriano 
Matthew Hodgson , Desktop Development List 


On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Carlos Soriano via desktop-devel-list
 wrote:
> I'm missing some rooms though, like #nautilus or #gnome-photos etc. Are they
> on the bridge and the search is having problems to find them or are they out
> for some reason?

The bridge is for a whole network, not per room. The rooms that appear
in the directory are just the ones for which at least one Matrix user
already joined (so they are “known”). You can join any room as Matthew
described with #_gimpnet_#ircchannelname:matrix.org

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Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

[Carlos Soriano via desktop-devel-list]

Excellent news we have matrix bridge, thanks Matthew!

I'm missing some rooms though, like #nautilus or #gnome-photos etc. Are they on 
the bridge and the search is having problems to find them or are they out for 
some reason?



Best regards,
Carlos Soriano


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about 
communication)
Local Time: March 2, 2017 11:05 PM
UTC Time: March 2, 2017 10:05 PM
From: matt...@matrix.org
To: Alberto Ruiz 
Carlos Soriano , Desktop Development List 



We deliberately don't implement gravatar support as it's a bit of a privacy 
issue, given it lets gravatar track and correlate users across a wide range of 
services. I guess we could provide it as an option though :)

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Matrix.org


On 2 Mar 2017, at 22:02, Alberto Ruiz  wrote:


Yeah I just did, the web app went well. I was on the train while trying. This 
is really neat stuff, will gather a bunch of feedback. So far the lack of 
automatic gravatar support comes to mind.



2017-03-02 22:00 GMT+00:00 Sriram Ramkrishna :





On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 1:53 PM Alberto Ruiz  wrote:

Tried to register through the Riot mobile app... the register request timed out.



Try the web app version - http://riot.im/

sri






2017-03-02 19:32 GMT+00:00 Matthew Hodgson :

On 03/02/2017 15:57, Matthew Hodgson wrote:


On 3 Feb 2017, at 13:00, Alexandre Franke 
Matthew, anything blocking the bridging on our side?

Nothing blocking at all; it's all on our side, which has ended up
blocked on FOSDEM - we've had to prioritise a sprint to ship new
releases for FOSDEM and are currently all on trains to Brussels. It's
top of the IRC bridging backlog and we should get to it early next
week. Sorry for the delay...


Hi all,

We've finally set up a bridge hosted by matrix.org that links GIMPNet into 
Matrix (as per the earlier bits of this thread). Sorry that it took so long to 
happen: FOSDEM ended up being even crazier than we expected, and we've spent 
the last month handling the traffic increases and operational excitements that 
came off the back of it.

The bridge has been set up to provide access to all of GIMPNet through matrix 
room aliases of form:

#_gimpnet_${channelname}:matrix.org

e.g.

#_gimpnet_#gtk+:matrix.org

The easiest way to use the new bridge is probably through Riot, the current 
flagship Matrix client: URLs for direct access to a room via riot-web are of 
the form:

[https://riot.im/app/#/room/#_gimpnet_#gtk+:matrix.org](https://riot.im/app/#/room/%23_gimpnet_%23gtk+:matrix.org)

You can also join using "/join #_gimpnet_#gtk+:matrix.org" style syntax, or 
using the graphical room directory (button linked from the bottom left).

We haven't turned on guest access on the bridge, so users are forced to 
register an account (and go through a captcha) before joining channels.

You can spot folks connecting via Matrix as by default they have a [m] suffix 
on their nickname.

Feedback very welcome! We are still in beta, and very interested in making sure 
it fits the bill for communities like GNOME :)

Matthew

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Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

[Alexandre Franke]

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Carlos Soriano via desktop-devel-list
 wrote:
> I'm missing some rooms though, like #nautilus or #gnome-photos etc. Are they
> on the bridge and the search is having problems to find them or are they out
> for some reason?

The bridge is for a whole network, not per room. The rooms that appear
in the directory are just the ones for which at least one Matrix user
already joined (so they are “known”). You can join any room as Matthew
described with #_gimpnet_#ircchannelname:matrix.org

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Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

[Matthew Hodgson]

We deliberately don't implement gravatar support as it's a bit of a privacy 
issue, given it lets gravatar track and correlate users across a wide range of 
services. I guess we could provide it as an option though :)

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Matrix.org

> On 2 Mar 2017, at 22:02, Alberto Ruiz  wrote:
> 
> Yeah I just did, the web app went well. I was on the train while trying. This 
> is really neat stuff, will gather a bunch of feedback. So far the lack of 
> automatic gravatar support comes to mind.
> 
> 2017-03-02 22:00 GMT+00:00 Sriram Ramkrishna :
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 1:53 PM Alberto Ruiz  wrote:
>>> Tried to register through the Riot mobile app... the register request timed 
>>> out.
>>> 
>> 
>> Try the web app version - http://riot.im/
>> 
>> sri
>>  
>>> 2017-03-02 19:32 GMT+00:00 Matthew Hodgson :
>>> On 03/02/2017 15:57, Matthew Hodgson wrote:
>>> On 3 Feb 2017, at 13:00, Alexandre Franke 
>>> Matthew, anything blocking the bridging on our side?
>>> 
>>> Nothing blocking at all; it's all on our side, which has ended up
>>> blocked on FOSDEM - we've had to prioritise a sprint to ship new
>>> releases for FOSDEM and are currently all on trains to Brussels. It's
>>> top of the IRC bridging backlog and we should get to it early next
>>> week. Sorry for the delay...
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> We've finally set up a bridge hosted by matrix.org that links GIMPNet into 
>>> Matrix (as per the earlier bits of this thread).  Sorry that it took so 
>>> long to happen: FOSDEM ended up being even crazier than we expected, and 
>>> we've spent the last month handling the traffic increases and operational 
>>> excitements that came off the back of it.
>>> 
>>> The bridge has been set up to provide access to all of GIMPNet through 
>>> matrix room aliases of form:
>>> 
>>>  #_gimpnet_${channelname}:matrix.org
>>> 
>>> e.g.
>>> 
>>>  #_gimpnet_#gtk+:matrix.org
>>> 
>>> The easiest way to use the new bridge is probably through Riot, the current 
>>> flagship Matrix client: URLs for direct access to a room via riot-web are 
>>> of the form:
>>> 
>>> https://riot.im/app/#/room/#_gimpnet_#gtk+:matrix.org
>>> 
>>> You can also join using "/join #_gimpnet_#gtk+:matrix.org" style syntax, or 
>>> using the graphical room directory (button linked from the bottom left).
>>> 
>>> We haven't turned on guest access on the bridge, so users are forced to 
>>> register an account (and go through a captcha) before joining channels.
>>> 
>>> You can spot folks connecting via Matrix as by default they have a [m] 
>>> suffix on their nickname.
>>> 
>>> Feedback very welcome!  We are still in beta, and very interested in making 
>>> sure it fits the bill for communities like GNOME :)
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> -- 
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Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

[Sriram Ramkrishna]

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 11:32 AM Matthew Hodgson  wrote:

> On 03/02/2017 15:57, Matthew Hodgson wrote:
> >> On 3 Feb 2017, at 13:00, Alexandre Franke 
> >> Matthew, anything blocking the bridging on our side?
> >
> > Nothing blocking at all; it's all on our side, which has ended up
> > blocked on FOSDEM - we've had to prioritise a sprint to ship new
> > releases for FOSDEM and are currently all on trains to Brussels. It's
> > top of the IRC bridging backlog and we should get to it early next
> > week. Sorry for the delay...
>
> Hi all,
>
> We've finally set up a bridge hosted by matrix.org that links GIMPNet
> into Matrix (as per the earlier bits of this thread).  Sorry that it
> took so long to happen: FOSDEM ended up being even crazier than we
> expected, and we've spent the last month handling the traffic increases
> and operational excitements that came off the back of it.
>


Thank you for setting this up!  Much appreciated.

sri

>
>
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irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

[Matthew Hodgson]

On 03/02/2017 15:57, Matthew Hodgson wrote:

On 3 Feb 2017, at 13:00, Alexandre Franke 
Matthew, anything blocking the bridging on our side?


Nothing blocking at all; it's all on our side, which has ended up
blocked on FOSDEM - we've had to prioritise a sprint to ship new
releases for FOSDEM and are currently all on trains to Brussels. It's
top of the IRC bridging backlog and we should get to it early next
week. Sorry for the delay...


Hi all,

We've finally set up a bridge hosted by matrix.org that links GIMPNet 
into Matrix (as per the earlier bits of this thread).  Sorry that it 
took so long to happen: FOSDEM ended up being even crazier than we 
expected, and we've spent the last month handling the traffic increases 
and operational excitements that came off the back of it.


The bridge has been set up to provide access to all of GIMPNet through 
matrix room aliases of form:


 #_gimpnet_${channelname}:matrix.org

e.g.

 #_gimpnet_#gtk+:matrix.org

The easiest way to use the new bridge is probably through Riot, the 
current flagship Matrix client: URLs for direct access to a room via 
riot-web are of the form:


https://riot.im/app/#/room/#_gimpnet_#gtk+:matrix.org

You can also join using "/join #_gimpnet_#gtk+:matrix.org" style syntax, 
or using the graphical room directory (button linked from the bottom left).


We haven't turned on guest access on the bridge, so users are forced to 
register an account (and go through a captcha) before joining channels.


You can spot folks connecting via Matrix as by default they have a [m] 
suffix on their nickname.


Feedback very welcome!  We are still in beta, and very interested in 
making sure it fits the bill for communities like GNOME :)


Matthew

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Re: Improving the way we build nightly apps

[Matthias Clasen]

On Thu, 2017-03-02 at 12:46 -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> On Thu, 2017-03-02 at 19:11 +0100, Sébastien Wilmet wrote:
> > I don't know how soon it'll be. The Flatpak manifest goal is a
> > small
> > goal (the files are even already written, it's just moving them and
> > doing small edits). If it's useful during 6 months or one year,
> > that's
> > already worthwhile. It's easy to remove the Flatpak manifests once
> > (and
> > if) BuildStream becomes the preferred way.
> 
> Yes, I think this argument is a winner. Matthias, feel free to go
> ahead
> and move it to the approved goals page. I doubt anybody will object.

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Re: Improving the way we build nightly apps

[Michael Catanzaro]

On Thu, 2017-03-02 at 19:11 +0100, Sébastien Wilmet wrote:
> I don't know how soon it'll be. The Flatpak manifest goal is a small
> goal (the files are even already written, it's just moving them and
> doing small edits). If it's useful during 6 months or one year,
> that's
> already worthwhile. It's easy to remove the Flatpak manifests once
> (and
> if) BuildStream becomes the preferred way.

Yes, I think this argument is a winner. Matthias, feel free to go ahead
and move it to the approved goals page. I doubt anybody will object.

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Re: Improving the way we build nightly apps

[Sébastien Wilmet]

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 05:18:55PM -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> On Tue, 2017-02-28 at 11:44 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> > So far, we have this gnome-nightly-apps repository which contains
> > copies of the flatpak manifests for a bunch of gnome apps. That is
> > redundant and suboptimal. Recently, flatpak has gained the ability to
> > find manifests in git repositories that you point it to, and we
> > should use this to move the json files to each applications git tree.
> > Quite possibly there is already a copy of it there anyway.
> > 
> > If you want to help out with making this happen, the details are
> > described here:
> > 
> > https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/GnomeGoals/FlatpakManifests
> 
> This is clearly superior to how we build the flatpaks now.
> 
> On the other hand, these manifests should hopefully be obsoleted soon
> by BuildStream.

I don't know how soon it'll be. The Flatpak manifest goal is a small
goal (the files are even already written, it's just moving them and
doing small edits). If it's useful during 6 months or one year, that's
already worthwhile. It's easy to remove the Flatpak manifests once (and
if) BuildStream becomes the preferred way.

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Re: GNOME goal candidates

[Sébastien Wilmet]

On Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 08:58:26AM -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> On Thu, 2017-03-02 at 12:36 +0100, Sébastien Wilmet wrote:
> > I can take ownership of:
> > https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/GnomeGoals/AddCodeCoverage
> > 
> > I will update the description.
> 
> OK. Go ahead and move it to the approved list goals list once you've
> updated the list of modules, since it's been discussed at length now on
> the list. We obviously don't have a super formal process for this, at
> least not that I'm aware of.

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Re: GNOME goal candidates

[Michael Catanzaro]

On Thu, 2017-03-02 at 12:36 +0100, Sébastien Wilmet wrote:
> I can take ownership of:
> https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/GnomeGoals/AddCodeCoverage
> 
> I will update the description.

OK. Go ahead and move it to the approved list goals list once you've
updated the list of modules, since it's been discussed at length now on
the list. We obviously don't have a super formal process for this, at
least not that I'm aware of.

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Re: GNOME 3.23.91

[Sébastien Wilmet]

On Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 07:37:12AM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> The release notes that describe the changes between 3.21.90 and 3.21.91
> are available. Go read them to learn what's new in this release:
> 
>   core - https://download.gnome.org/core/3.21/3.23.91/NEWS
>   apps - https://download.gnome.org/apps/3.21/3.23.91/NEWS
> 
> The GNOME 3.21.91 release itself is available here:
> 
>   core sources - https://download.gnome.org/core/3.21/3.23.91
>   apps sources - https://download.gnome.org/apps/3.23/3.21.91

s/21/23/:

core - https://download.gnome.org/core/3.23/3.23.91/NEWS
apps - https://download.gnome.org/apps/3.23/3.23.91/NEWS

core sources - https://download.gnome.org/core/3.23/3.23.91
apps sources - https://download.gnome.org/apps/3.23/3.23.91
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GNOME 3.23.91

[Matthias Clasen]

Hi,

GNOME 3.23.91 is now available. This is our second beta release on the
way to 3.24. Please try it and let us know how well it works for you.

 With the second beta our Freeze continues and deepens:

 - API/ABI Freeze (No API or ABI changes should be made in the
   platform libraries),

 - Feature Freeze (No new features can be added anymore, let's focus
   on stability and give the documentation team time to document it all),

 - UI Freeze (same idea),

- String Freeze (Our translators are working hard to give us great translations
  in more that 50 languages, but they can only do that if we stop changing
  strings for a while).

As always, you can request a freeze break if you think your change should
be committed before 3.24. Details are available on the wiki:
  https://wiki.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/Freezes#The_Freeze
  https://wiki.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/RequestingFreezeBreaks

To compile GNOME 3.23.91, you can use the jhbuild modulesets published
by the release team (which use the exact tarball versions from the official
release):

   https://developer.gnome.org/jhbuild/stable/
   http://download.gnome.org/teams/releng/3.23.91/

The release notes that describe the changes between 3.21.90 and 3.21.91
are available. Go read them to learn what's new in this release:

  core - https://download.gnome.org/core/3.21/3.23.91/NEWS
  apps - https://download.gnome.org/apps/3.21/3.23.91/NEWS

The GNOME 3.21.91 release itself is available here:

  core sources - https://download.gnome.org/core/3.21/3.23.91
  apps sources - https://download.gnome.org/apps/3.23/3.21.91

WARNING!
-

This release is a snapshot of development code. Although it is buildable and
usable, it is primarily intended for testing and hacking purposes. GNOME
uses odd minor version numbers to indicate development status.

For more information about 3.23, the full schedule, the official module lists
and the proposed module lists, please see our colorful 3.23 page:

  https://www.gnome.org/start/unstable

Enjoy,
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Re: GNOME goal candidates

[Sébastien Wilmet]

On Wed, Mar 01, 2017 at 03:12:17PM -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> On Wed, 2017-03-01 at 14:22 -0500, Carlos Soriano via desktop-devel-
> list wrote:
> > I think installed test etc it's not going to happen or be maintained
> > if we don't enable coverage with it too. I think that's the actual
> > trick that will keep us up with the initiative.
> > 
> > So I would go with both since the start, and together.
> 
> OK then. Does anybody want to take ownership of this? It'd require
> updating the goal pages to match the new best practices, maybe merging
> them together, and updating the list of affected modules.

I can take ownership of:
https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/GnomeGoals/AddCodeCoverage

I will update the description.

For the list of modules, I can merge the current list with the list
from:
https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/GnomeGoals/Template

I'll not actively see if more modules can be marked as done, nor file
bugs for every module, that's a task for each individual module
maintainer.

I'm not sure it is a good idea to merge the two goals (installed tests +
code coverage). When filing a bug in bugzilla, it should cover only one
task. The installed tests make sense only if it'll actually be used, for
example by GNOME Continuous. I don't know if all modules listed in the
Template page are built by GNOME Continuous.

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Sébastien
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