Final call for the 3.24 release notes!

2017-03-03 Thread Allan Day
Hi all,

I'm currently writing up the release notes for 3.24, and would like to have
the text finalised next week. If you know of anything that should be
included, now's the time to add it to the wiki:

https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointTwentythree/ReleaseNotes

We particularly need details for the developers page.

Allan
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Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

2017-03-03 Thread Mattias Bengtsson
Yeah this is so awesome!

/Mattias - who just deleted his IRCCloud account

Den 3 mars 2017 1:57 em skrev "Emmanuele Bassi" :

Thanks ever so much for this work, Matthew. It's really a great
addition to the communication channels for GNOME, and hopefully people
will start using Matrix much more. :-)

Ciao,
 Emmanuele.

On 2 March 2017 at 19:32, Matthew Hodgson  wrote:
> On 03/02/2017 15:57, Matthew Hodgson wrote:
>>>
>>> On 3 Feb 2017, at 13:00, Alexandre Franke 
>>> Matthew, anything blocking the bridging on our side?
>>
>>
>> Nothing blocking at all; it's all on our side, which has ended up
>> blocked on FOSDEM - we've had to prioritise a sprint to ship new
>> releases for FOSDEM and are currently all on trains to Brussels. It's
>> top of the IRC bridging backlog and we should get to it early next
>> week. Sorry for the delay...
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> We've finally set up a bridge hosted by matrix.org that links GIMPNet into
> Matrix (as per the earlier bits of this thread).  Sorry that it took so
long
> to happen: FOSDEM ended up being even crazier than we expected, and we've
> spent the last month handling the traffic increases and operational
> excitements that came off the back of it.
>
> The bridge has been set up to provide access to all of GIMPNet through
> matrix room aliases of form:
>
>  #_gimpnet_${channelname}:matrix.org
>
> e.g.
>
>  #_gimpnet_#gtk+:matrix.org
>
> The easiest way to use the new bridge is probably through Riot, the
current
> flagship Matrix client: URLs for direct access to a room via riot-web are
of
> the form:
>
> https://riot.im/app/#/room/#_gimpnet_#gtk+:matrix.org
>
> You can also join using "/join #_gimpnet_#gtk+:matrix.org" style syntax,
or
> using the graphical room directory (button linked from the bottom left).
>
> We haven't turned on guest access on the bridge, so users are forced to
> register an account (and go through a captcha) before joining channels.
>
> You can spot folks connecting via Matrix as by default they have a [m]
> suffix on their nickname.
>
> Feedback very welcome!  We are still in beta, and very interested in
making
> sure it fits the bill for communities like GNOME :)
>
> Matthew
>
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Re: Improving the way we build nightly apps

2017-03-03 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 8:10 AM, Adrian Perez de Castro
 wrote:
> I do not use JHBuild, as I rarely need it — and when it may be needed, it
> feels clumsy. For 99% of my needs a ~130-line shell script [1] which sets
> the environment in a way similar to how JHBuild does is enough. I do not
> mind having to manually building a coupld of dependency modules now and
> then, as for me most of the time the distribution (Arch Linux) has recent
> enough packages.

You can use 'jhbuild buildone' if you don't want to build all the dependencies.

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Re: Improving the way we build nightly apps

2017-03-03 Thread Adrian Perez de Castro
On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 18:13:53 +, Sriram Ramkrishna  
wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 5:16 AM Michael Catanzaro 
> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 2017-02-28 at 15:50 -0800, Christian Hergert wrote:
> > > You make it sound like there is already unanimous support for this
> > > (considering I've seen no discussion on the topic, I find that hard
> > > to
> > > take at face value)?
> >
> >
> > release team is dealing with right now. Currently, we only maintain the
> > JHBuild modulesets, and that's not great because it's not what users
> > actually use.
>
> Users aren't using Jhbuild?  What are they using?  I'm asking because in
> our newcomer documentation we are asking them to use JHBuild.  So I'm
> trying to understand why there is a dichotomy.

I do not use JHBuild, as I rarely need it — and when it may be needed, it
feels clumsy. For 99% of my needs a ~130-line shell script [1] which sets
the environment in a way similar to how JHBuild does is enough. I do not
mind having to manually building a coupld of dependency modules now and
then, as for me most of the time the distribution (Arch Linux) has recent
enough packages.

Cheers,

---
[1] https://gist.github.com/aperezdc/6ad5937a28c04bf23750024c47438b47


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Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

2017-03-03 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
Thanks ever so much for this work, Matthew. It's really a great
addition to the communication channels for GNOME, and hopefully people
will start using Matrix much more. :-)

Ciao,
 Emmanuele.

On 2 March 2017 at 19:32, Matthew Hodgson  wrote:
> On 03/02/2017 15:57, Matthew Hodgson wrote:
>>>
>>> On 3 Feb 2017, at 13:00, Alexandre Franke 
>>> Matthew, anything blocking the bridging on our side?
>>
>>
>> Nothing blocking at all; it's all on our side, which has ended up
>> blocked on FOSDEM - we've had to prioritise a sprint to ship new
>> releases for FOSDEM and are currently all on trains to Brussels. It's
>> top of the IRC bridging backlog and we should get to it early next
>> week. Sorry for the delay...
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> We've finally set up a bridge hosted by matrix.org that links GIMPNet into
> Matrix (as per the earlier bits of this thread).  Sorry that it took so long
> to happen: FOSDEM ended up being even crazier than we expected, and we've
> spent the last month handling the traffic increases and operational
> excitements that came off the back of it.
>
> The bridge has been set up to provide access to all of GIMPNet through
> matrix room aliases of form:
>
>  #_gimpnet_${channelname}:matrix.org
>
> e.g.
>
>  #_gimpnet_#gtk+:matrix.org
>
> The easiest way to use the new bridge is probably through Riot, the current
> flagship Matrix client: URLs for direct access to a room via riot-web are of
> the form:
>
> https://riot.im/app/#/room/#_gimpnet_#gtk+:matrix.org
>
> You can also join using "/join #_gimpnet_#gtk+:matrix.org" style syntax, or
> using the graphical room directory (button linked from the bottom left).
>
> We haven't turned on guest access on the bridge, so users are forced to
> register an account (and go through a captcha) before joining channels.
>
> You can spot folks connecting via Matrix as by default they have a [m]
> suffix on their nickname.
>
> Feedback very welcome!  We are still in beta, and very interested in making
> sure it fits the bill for communities like GNOME :)
>
> Matthew
>
> --
> Matthew Hodgson
> Matrix.org
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Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix

2017-03-03 Thread Matthew Hodgson
We're still fixing the UX (and some decryption bugs) on end-to-end 
encryption; the device list stuff is a placeholder that definitely 
shouldn't publish your device names by default.  The bug is 
https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues/2295 for more information 
or if folks wish to upvote it!


Let's not clutter the desktop-devel-list with Matrix feedback though - 
https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/Matrix/ looks like a good place for 
wiki-feedback, or on Matrix itself #riot:matrix.org is a good place for 
general feedback too.


Matthew

On 03/03/2017 08:44, Carlos Soriano via desktop-devel-list wrote:

Hey,

On thing I was a little afraid yesterday is that my devices are
shown for everybody (and then it says validate the key), at some
point I though those were private keys rather than public to ensure
the sender/receiver.

Any reason for the public devices list? Maybe the list of devices
should be hidden for everybody else by default? If there is some
strong reason for that, I guess just wording a little better what it
is and how is safe will make it good enough.

Best regards, Carlos Soriano

 Original Message 

Subject: Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re:
Thoughs about communication) Local Time: March 3, 2017 7:59 AM UTC
Time: March 3, 2017 6:59 AM From: rishi...@lostca.se To: Carlos
Soriano  Desktop Development List


On Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 05:56:25PM -0500, Carlos Soriano via
desktop-devel-list wrote:

I'm missing some rooms though, like #nautilus or #gnome-photos
etc


Nitpick: it is just #photos.
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Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

2017-03-03 Thread Allan Day
Carlos Soriano via desktop-devel-list  wrote:
...

> On thing I was a little afraid yesterday is that my devices are shown for
> everybody (and then it says validate the key), at some point I though those
> were private keys rather than public to ensure the sender/receiver.
>
...

I've started a wiki page for us to collect information and feedback about
Matrix/Riot:

https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/Matrix/

It would be good if we could collect questions or issues on the feedback
page:

https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/Matrix/Feedback

Allan
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Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

2017-03-03 Thread Carlos Soriano via desktop-devel-list
Hey,

On thing I was a little afraid yesterday is that my devices are shown for 
everybody (and then it says validate the key), at some point I though those 
were private keys rather than public to ensure the sender/receiver.

Any reason for the public devices list? Maybe the list of devices should be 
hidden for everybody else by default?
If there is some strong reason for that, I guess just wording a little better 
what it is and how is safe will make it good enough.



Best regards,
Carlos Soriano

 Original Message 

Subject: Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about 
communication)
Local Time: March 3, 2017 7:59 AM
UTC Time: March 3, 2017 6:59 AM
From: rishi...@lostca.se
To: Carlos Soriano 
Desktop Development List 

On Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 05:56:25PM -0500, Carlos Soriano via desktop-devel-list 
wrote:
> I'm missing some rooms though, like #nautilus or #gnome-photos etc

Nitpick: it is just #photos.
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