Re: G2.12 with jhbuild
On Tue, 2005-14-06 at 08:22 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: The problem is that newer pkg-config's pkg.m4 caches PKG_CHECK_MODULES() ... James. Having had quite a few pains myself when trying to build gnome from jhbuild, I wonder if it would be better to have a [EMAIL PROTECTED] for quickly resolving build problems... Cheers, Ryan ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: RFC: On-line Content Filtering of directories
On Wed, 2005-20-04 at 00:04 +0200, Diego Gonzalez wrote: Hi I have implemented a new feature for Nautilus, it is a way to filter the contents of a directory, right now it only works when Nautilus is in spatial mode. If there is interest in it, it can easily be extended to work on navigational windows. Well its no longer spatial, since the filter makes files disappear, but its a nice feature none the less. A better idea might be to change the concept to bring certain files to the top or stack up similar files instead of the computer sciency filter concept. I think that might give you a better chance of getting the patch accepted. You could also try putting it in the power-user-ish browser mode only. You should open a bug in bugzilla for proper review. Cheers, Ryan ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Brainstorm for new default theme was: Exciting GNOME?
On Thu, 2005-17-02 at 06:36 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Aidan Delaney What do you want in a new default theme? I'm looking for everything from big-picture to details. I don't want information like the $insert_widget should look like $insert_existing_theme I want information like the $insert_widget should look like $insert_description which can be seen in $insert_existing_theme. Give me information in text form rather than just images. Over this weekend (get your say in before Friday night) I'll gather all the ideas together into a decent document. I'll then present it to usability/internationalisation/accessibility people who can comment (if they want). In the end we'll hopefully have two or three candidate ideas for development. So reply with ideas no matter how crazy you think others may think them. Please don't disagree with someones ideas or flame them; think of this as a group brainstorm. This is really not the list for this kind of discussion. Please reply off list if at all. (Also, your methodology is not useful for coming up with a usable theme, it will just come up with a dog's breakfast of things people like. You need one person to come up with and hone a design, and a bunch of people to critique it.) Please reply to the previous mail off-list if at all. - Jeff You have every right to ask for an off-topic discussion to go off list, but you have no right to recommend people not reply to him, and you have no right to say the way he wants to make a proposal is useless. Its his time to use as he pleases. If he puts forth something that looks like dogs breakfast, then you can dismiss it on more valid grounds than that you personally don't like his methodology. Some people work differently than you Jeff. You should find more constructive ways of deal with them then telling them to shove off. Its responses like these that drive off energetic but possibly misguided new people, who if handled more constructively could become proper contributors to the project. Explain the rules to them, don't rap them on the fingers. Cheers, Ryan ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: I am Lord of the Theme (aka the buck stops here)
On Wed, 2005-16-02 at 22:29 -0500, Seth Nickell wrote: I hereby dub myself (well, publicly reaffirm that I am) Seth Nickell, Lord High Maintainer of the Theme as per the dictates of god. [snip] Seth, awesome f0rking post. I totally agree so I snipped your post (go read the original!). I think GNOME needs more of this kind of leadership (which is different from heavy-handed dictation), and I liked the job you did with the FileChooser UI. I'm totally pysched to know someone is actually on top of the dog-pile that usually results from these kind of things. HOW TO CONTRIBUTE RIGHT NOW: 1) Contribute to the list of themes under consideration on the Wiki. Please do not delete items from the list, though feel free to add negative comments to the appropriate section for that theme below. We will cull later. 2) If the theme(s) you think should be considered are already on the list, then you're in luck because (until we move to the next phase) your job is already done. We do not need another long theme thread full of random opinion messages that most gnome hackers are deleting w/o reading as we speak. Please do not squawk like a chicken just to make noise ;-) You mentioned in the part I snipped that a *design* competition might be useful, which is what I personally had in mind. Can we set up a web- place, possibly on the wiki, where people can submit one-image mockups (no 10 page endeavours), and make that number 3)? So lets go do it and get gnome looking all shiny and spifferdy! /me expecting the GNOME community to now form like Voltron into a themeing ultra-zord -Seth Cheers, Ryan ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Innovation [was: Re: Request for breakage in gnome-panel]
On Mon, 2005-14-02 at 21:28 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Ryan McDougall On Mon, 2005-14-02 at 02:58 -0500, Bryan Clark wrote: On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 17:23 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: [snipped much good thinking] Perhaps this would be a helpful place to flesh out the awesome ideas you guys are putting forth: http://live.gnome.org/BringBackTheInnovation The wiki is really not designed for open questions and bike shedding. Then don't tell anyone about http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero ! Shhh... Seriously if you don't like it, revert it. If there are rules that I need to follow, please let me know. - Jeff Cheers, Ryan ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Warts, Features and Icebergs [Was: Request for breakage in gnome-panel]
On Sun, 2005-13-02 at 13:22 +, Mike Hearn wrote: On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:46:30 -0500, Bryan Clark wrote: So what if we are flamed for removing this? If it's the right thing to do, isn't that worth getting flamed for? ;-) Um, generally if you get flamed for a change that means lots of people think it's *not* the right thing to do. But that hasn't stopped us before. *cough*spatialus*cough*filechooser* This is getting a little melodramic. Bryan asked and Shaun said no. End of story, no? Anyone want to preemptively call EndOfThread now? ;) Cheers, Ryan ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: 2.10 release notes: What's new, maintainers?
On Sat, 2005-12-02 at 16:20 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: On Sat, 2005-02-05 at 21:35 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: It's time to think about the 2.10 release notes. Could GNOME maintainers please tell us about major user-visible changes in their modules, by editing this page: http://live.gnome.org/ReleaseNotes or just email them to me or the release-team if necessary. That was very successful. Could people give it a quick look over again, please, before we start writing it all up. Dry humour is often the best. Its cases/uses like these where I wouldn't mind a maintainer's only list. Cheers, Ryan ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Request for breakage in gnome-panel
On Sun, 2005-13-02 at 12:58 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Elijah Newren On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:36:39 +1100, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quote who=Colin Walters Personally, whenever I want to run Emacs or whatever's not in the menu, I use Alt-F2, not the menu item. I suspect this is fairly common for people who use the Run Application dialog a lot. Uh huh. We are going to get flamed for this change. According to the bug report Bryan referenced, this change doesn't affect that; it's only about whether there's an entry in the menu for Run Application. Yes, my response was more to the effect of, despite attempted rationale, we are still going to get flamed for this change. - Jeff Yeah we're gonna get flamed. ;) Personally I'd rather put it the chimera known as Desktop, than drop it all together. I also agree with Jeff's Warty response as well, no matter where you put it, its not going to be perfect -- so is it worth the breakage? Cheers, Ryan ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: [Usability] [RFC] Announcing: Control-Center-GUI 0.1
On Mon, 2005-07-02 at 20:02 +0100, Christian Neumair wrote: Am Montag, den 07.02.2005, 17:22 + schrieb Calum Benson: On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 16:33, Christian Neumair wrote: http://manny.cluecoder.org/packages/control-center-gui/screenshot-0.1.png FWIW, because there's a comparatively large amount of text in the list, I think this style of dialog works best where the icon is the main factor in deciding which item to choose-- which means it works great for the background and theme capplets, but perhaps not so well in this case. In the hardware tab, it works marvellous: screen resolution, printer, mouse, keyboard, keyboard shortcuts and removable storage can all be distinguished in a very nice fashion. I'd be very glad to hear what your proposal is on resolving this issue, though. As I wrote in another mail in this thread, I consider it a horrible to lay out icons in a grid, because it forces the user to look in two dimensions what he is looking for. So the current cc shell is in my opinion awful. IIRC the Mac panel works by placing the Category (Hardware, UI, etc) in the Y dimension, and the applet icons in the X dimension. I also recall there not being any text descriptions, so when I tried to use the Mac panel, I was constantly trial-and-error clicking various applets with nice looking icons to find the preference I was looking for. To me, this destroys the benefits of a flat 2 dimensional layout. Christian's design has the extra Text description dimension, which makes it easier to figure out what a given applet does. Therefore he needs to fold the Category dimension up somehow (he has used tabs). So for me this boils down to do we need to have the text descriptions available for each applet? I think we do. Therefore, I like Christian's design *better* than the Mac panel in that respect, but we need to improve those tabs so they have icons which are at least as large as the icons in the list below them. However there is another problem I noticed. The way that that same list UI is used in other places (ie Theme Manager), the purpose of the list is to CHOOSE a item among many, then activate that item with a button (such as Apply). Christian, how would your design activate an applet? By double- clicking? What about single click users? If we add an Edit Preference button, then that adds to the mouse movement, and number of clicks that the user must go through. (Nor, to a lesser extent, in the new Add to Panel dialog, where the downside is balanced out by being able to use typeahead because all the applets are in the same list). On that, I think the Add to Panel dialog list is way to big - a discussion in #gnome-de revealed agreement; in my opinion it would only be useful if entering terms filtered instead of selecting, plus it had to match all items containing the search term, not beginning with it. The new Add to Panel list is just too long. When I was using it for the first time, I was searching for applets I already knew I wanted, but had to scan the list multiple times because I kept missing the ones I was looking for. Long story short, there is too much info there in a big unfriendly list. Cheers, Ryan ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
