Re: Giving up maintenership of my modules

2014-09-17 Thread Andre Klapper
On Tue, 2014-09-16 at 07:17 +0200, Juan Rafael García Blanco wrote:
 Does Gnome keep track of which projects need developers,
 documentators, maintainers, ...? I mean something similar to gnu's
 savanah.

Developers: Always needed.
Documentation: e.g. 
https://wiki.gnome.org/DocumentationProject/Tasks/ApplicationHelp
Maintainers: Not that I am aware of.

The latter is a problem.

What does Savanah exactly do? I'm only aware of Debian pinging
maintainers automatically + regularly to confirm they are still around
and not missing in action / away without official leave.
I wonder what other FOSS projects do.

Thanks to Fred we do have https://people.gnome.org/~fpeters/health/
which lists a code activity score (bus factor?) for each module - the
lower the number, the better. But I assume those numbers don't
automatically update and might be a bit dusty now.

The question is who and how to turn that into something 'actionable'.
As far as I know nobody is 'proactively' reaching out (where?) to
maintainers on the leave (=making them realize) and finding potential
folks to take over.

andre
(using words like 'proactive' and 'actionable' that he hates)
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Re: Giving up maintenership of my modules

2014-09-17 Thread Allan Day
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote:
 On Tue, 2014-09-16 at 07:17 +0200, Juan Rafael García Blanco wrote:
 Does Gnome keep track of which projects need developers,
 documentators, maintainers, ...? I mean something similar to gnu's
 savanah.

 Developers: Always needed.
 Documentation: e.g. 
 https://wiki.gnome.org/DocumentationProject/Tasks/ApplicationHelp
 Maintainers: Not that I am aware of.
...
 Thanks to Fred we do have https://people.gnome.org/~fpeters/health/
 which lists a code activity score (bus factor?) for each module - the
 lower the number, the better. But I assume those numbers don't
 automatically update and might be a bit dusty now.
...

The other side of it is knowing where maintainers are needed, and that
requires knowing where the priority bugs are.

 The question is who and how to turn that into something 'actionable'.
 As far as I know nobody is 'proactively' reaching out (where?) to
 maintainers on the leave (=making them realize) and finding potential
 folks to take over.
...

Seems like something the release team could be doing. It would require
that we find the right formula for attracting maintainers, of course.

Allan
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Re: Giving up maintenership of my modules

2014-09-17 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote:

 Thanks for announcing because many developers end up AWOL not realizing
 and overcommitting while time is precious.

 Wondering if Engagement / Outreach (CCed) has general thoughts on
 communicating modules in need of active maintainership.



It is possible, we could reach out through social media and maybe
reddit/r/gnome or /r/linux.  See if people might be interested in taking up
maintainership.  If you have prospects that you want to tap, that would be
the best though.  It's really inspiring and wonderful to be recognized and
ask to take over a module.

sri



 The new stats tab for modules on https://git.gnome.org/browse might
 list some maintainer candidates that could be contacted in such cases?

 On Mon, 2014-09-15 at 09:40 -0700, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
  - gnome-shell-extensions - Florian has been doing regular releases and
  bug fixes for this

 Related, there's also a growing review queue. See
 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=720636

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Re: Giving up maintenership of my modules

2014-09-17 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Mon, 2014-09-15 at 13:50 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
 
 
 On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote:
 Thanks for announcing because many developers end up AWOL not
 realizing
 and overcommitting while time is precious.
 
 Wondering if Engagement / Outreach (CCed) has general thoughts
 on
 communicating modules in need of active maintainership.
 
 
 
 
 It is possible, we could reach out through social media and maybe
 reddit/r/gnome or /r/linux.  See if people might be interested in
 taking up maintainership.  If you have prospects that you want to tap,
 that would be the best though.  It's really inspiring and wonderful to
 be recognized and ask to take over a module.

I seriously doubt we'll find a new *maintainer* that way. A maintainer
needs to be somebody who has a track record of contributions. For
example, you might well consider Ross Lagerwall a maintainer of gvfs, or
Phillip Wood one for sound-juicer.

If you manage to find new developers for those projects, maybe in time
they'll rise to become great maintainers...

Cheers


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Re: Giving up maintenership of my modules

2014-09-16 Thread Allan Day
Giovanni Campagna giocampagn...@gmail.com wrote:
...
 As some of you know, I'm starting a new experience at university this fall,
 and I've come to the realization that the amount of work required is quite
 different that what was at my previous institution.
 Therefore, I am afraid I will not be able to commit enough time to GNOME
 this year, and I will not be able to fullfil my duties as maintainer,
...

Thanks for all your amazing work, Giovanni. It's always a pleasure. I
hope that you will be able to be more involved again after the
masters.

Best of luck!

Allan
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