Re: Gnome Games will make 3D mandatory for 2.28
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 06:21:48PM -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote: >> This is not a proposal or RFC. This is what is happening; I am merely >> make it abundantly clear well in advance of it being released to the >> general public. >> >> Games which will require 3D for 2.28: >> * Gnometris >> * Lights Off (pending approval of Seed/GJS dependency during proposal >> period) >> * Same Gnome (pending approval of Seed/GJS dependency during proposal >> period) > > So I assume release team should announce some dependencies earlier if it > appears to be a no brainer? Well, Clutter 1.0 is already in so we're good there. Regarding the JavaScript games, it seems that everyone agrees that JavaScript is going in to Gnome 2.28. GJS seems to have the leg-up as the Gnome-Shell preferred engine. As for which one, Robert Carr has plans to make Seed and GJS run-time compatible (to the extent that the underlying engines have implemented the ECMA specs and same features) by the time the module proposal period opens. I was planning on leaving the proposal up to him due to the requirement that the proposal must be made by the module maintainer. Currently, ScriptCore (as seen in gtkwebkit 1.1, Safari 4 beta, Chrome 2 beta) is about 2x faster than Tracemonkey (as seen in Firefox 3.1 beta) on the Sunspider benchmarks. It seems like allowing both as dependencies is the only way to go forward and since they should be (mostly) run-time compatible, it shouldn't matter, really. The only thing that worries me is Seed/GJS's both depend on the stability of GIR/GOI. But since Owen knows more about the status of that than I do and seems comfortable with the timeline, I do not foresee this really being an issue. >> Whatever your opinion, remember: these are just games. Don't take this >> announcement too seriously. > > I saw you commenting (blog IIRC) about this, this is existing code right > that is now used as the only method (scrapping of 2D)? Or totally new > code? Assume new for Lights Off and Same Gnome. Anyway, looking forward > to the change. Aisleriot is the only game that we are committing to maintaining the old 2D engine on, for now. We're strapped for resources and the thought of doubling our maintenance burden for every game that gets an upgraded engine is not appealing. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Gnome Games will make 3D mandatory for 2.28
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 06:21:48PM -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote: > This is not a proposal or RFC. This is what is happening; I am merely > make it abundantly clear well in advance of it being released to the > general public. > > Games which will require 3D for 2.28: > * Gnometris > * Lights Off (pending approval of Seed/GJS dependency during proposal period) > * Same Gnome (pending approval of Seed/GJS dependency during proposal period) So I assume release team should announce some dependencies earlier if it appears to be a no brainer? > Whatever your opinion, remember: these are just games. Don't take this > announcement too seriously. I saw you commenting (blog IIRC) about this, this is existing code right that is now used as the only method (scrapping of 2D)? Or totally new code? Assume new for Lights Off and Same Gnome. Anyway, looking forward to the change. -- Regards, Olav ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Gnome Games will make 3D mandatory for 2.28
Now that 2.26 is out and we've begun to work on 2.28, I want to get this out early so that no one feels like this was a last minute surprise. This has been a year in the making and this development cycle appears to be the right time to put some polish on our new game engines and make them the default. This is not a proposal or RFC. This is what is happening; I am merely make it abundantly clear well in advance of it being released to the general public. Games which will require 3D for 2.28: * Gnometris * Lights Off (pending approval of Seed/GJS dependency during proposal period) * Same Gnome (pending approval of Seed/GJS dependency during proposal period) Games which may require 3D depending on the maturity of the engine for 2.28: * Aisleriot * GSoC project results (whatever they may be) I anticipate that two parties will be disappointed: LTSP deployments and owners of ATI graphics cards. Taking the later first, this group appears to be being well-addressed by Airlied's work; hopefully everything will just work by the time 2.28 is released. As a former LTSP admin/engineer/slave, I believe that this style of Linux terminal server deployment is deeply flawed and well on the way to being replaced by "Live" environments. Whatever your opinion, remember: these are just games. Don't take this announcement too seriously. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
