Re: Input devices capplets

2007-11-07 Thread Rodrigo Moya

On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 17:02 +, Sergey Udaltsov wrote:
  About the many tabs: at least the Layouts tab could move to the i18n
  capplet when we have finished it.
 
 Oh really? But what about the Layout Options popup? It does not really
 belong to i18n...
 
how so? it belong to the layout part, which is in the localization
capplet mockup Denis sent a while ago, and which I should be getting to
life soon (sorry, quite busy, and I've got just a very little code done,
but will try to have a first version before the end of the week)
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Re: Input devices capplets

2007-11-07 Thread Sergey Udaltsov
 how so? it belong to the layout part, which is in the localization
 capplet mockup Denis sent a while ago, and which I should be getting to
 life soon (sorry, quite busy, and I've got just a very little code done,
 but will try to have a first version before the end of the week)
Well, if you think so... I am just not sure people find things like
numpad-related options or CapsLock behaviour belonging to i18n.

Anyway, since now this is just a popup - it would be quite trivial to
move it into any capplet we'll find suitable.

Actually I was more thinking along the lines of the latest mockups:
http://ultimum-projekt.de/mockups/keyboard.html.

Sergey
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Re: Input devices capplets

2007-11-07 Thread Rodrigo Moya

On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 16:27 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
 On 10/31/07, Jürg Billeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 18:59 +0100, Denis Washington wrote:
   I created two mockups for possible keyboard and mouse capplets in GNOME
   2.20. Their aim is to incorporate accessibility features in both; the
   existing keyboard a11y features into Keyboard and the already discussed
   Mousetweaks settings into Mouse. The mockups can be found here:
  
   Keyboard: http://ultimum-projekt.de/mockups/keyboard.html
   Mouse:http://ultimum-projekt.de/mockups/mouse.html
  
   What do you think?
 
  Shouldn't we also incorporate the Keyboard Shortcuts capplet into the
  Keyboard capplet at the same time? Otherwise good work, as far as I can
  tell from a quick look.
 
  I don't think there was sufficient agreement that shortcuts have much
 if anything to do with the other keyboard settings.

right, and it would make the keyboard capplet too crowded. Since there
is the mousetweaks discussion going on, what about having shortcuts and
mousetweaks into an 'input devices actions' (find a better name)
capplet?
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Re: Input devices capplets

2007-11-07 Thread Sergey Udaltsov
 In the keyboard capplet it would be good to add on the Layouts tab the
 option to configure the keyboard shortcut used to switch between
 layouts. Currently this option is located in the Layout Options tab,
 inside Group Shift/Lock behaviour, towards the end of the list.
This options group is one of the groups provided in base.xml. The only
way to distinguish it is hardcode its id. Which does not sound great
to me... But the visible strings in this group - they are provided as
is, and I totaly against extracting the key names from them (BTW they
are localized).

Sergey
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Re: Input devices capplets

2007-11-07 Thread Vincent Untz
Le jeudi 01 novembre 2007, à 22:48 +0100, Luca Ferretti a écrit :
 
 Il giorno gio, 01/11/2007 alle 15.09 +0100, Vincent Untz ha scritto:
 
  Matthew hacked this up to work with DEVICE_RESOLUTION, so SHMConfig
  isn't needed. Only three settings work, though (tap to click, horizontal
  scrolling, vertical scrolling).
  
  I don't know where to find a patch (the source package doesn't have any
  patch), but I believe it's only a minor change. But it's only a short
  term hack, I guess :-)
  
  (I looked at all this to see how easy it'd be to add support for my
  disable touchpad key)
 
 mmmhhh.. 
 
 Isn't Ignore touchpad while typing option a better solution for laptop
 guys?

Don't know how other people work, but when I plug an USB mouse, I don't
want my touchpad to work. That's the main use case for me. But your
proposal can also make sense.

Anyway, in this case, it's not about making it automagically work, but
about using the key on my laptop which is designed for this :-)

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Re: Input devices capplets

2007-11-06 Thread Calum Benson
On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 11:38 +0100, Denis Washington wrote:

 Especially if we have plans to add other kinds of shortcuts, like e.g.
 mouse gestures, having them in the keyboard capplet is quite
 counter-intuitive.

I think part of the problem is that it looks a little ugly/confusing
having both Keyboard and Keyboard Shortcuts items in the Preferences
menu/shell, so it would certainly be good if we're generalising it to
the extent that we can change the name to just Shortcuts instead.

That said, I can certainly see an argument for having Keyboard Shortcuts
in the Keyboard prefs, and Mouse Getsures in the Mouse Prefs-- I'm
pretty sure that's where I'd look first.

Cheeri,
Calum.

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Re: Input devices capplets

2007-11-06 Thread Calum Benson
On Mon, 2007-11-05 at 19:29 +0100, Denis Washington wrote:

 The main problem that Jens and I still have is the organization of the
 a11y options. I put the beep options in an extra Notifications window to
 save space, but this is highly suboptimal. Having another way to
 organize these settings sanely without having a too long tab would be
 great.

I guess one option would be to move the notifications to the Sound
capplet, although it's probably not really a very good idea to fracture
the AccessX settings like that if we can avoid it.  (On the other hand,
the visual bell setting already lives in the Sound capplet, and it's
arguably sort-of related, in an okay-maybe-that's-stretching-it-a-bit
kind of way...)

Cheeri,
Calum.

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Re: Input devices capplets

2007-11-06 Thread Lucas Rocha
Hi Denis,

 I created two mockups for possible keyboard and mouse capplets in GNOME
 2.20. Their aim is to incorporate accessibility features in both; the
 existing keyboard a11y features into Keyboard and the already discussed
 Mousetweaks settings into Mouse. The mockups can be found here:

 Keyboard: http://ultimum-projekt.de/mockups/keyboard.html
 Mouse:http://ultimum-projekt.de/mockups/mouse.html

 What do you think?

I guess I know why you cross-posted this message to d-d-l and cc-list
(increase visibility). However, cross-posting is not really apropriate
for topics that will most likely generate long threads like this one
and will end up on too specific discussions for a wider-scope mailing
list such as d-d-l.

--lucasr

ps: maybe that's just me?
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Re: Input devices capplets

2007-11-06 Thread Sergey Udaltsov
 About the many tabs: at least the Layouts tab could move to the i18n
 capplet when we have finished it.

Oh really? But what about the Layout Options popup? It does not really
belong to i18n...

Sergey
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Re: Input devices capplets

2007-11-05 Thread Luca Ferretti

Il giorno gio, 01/11/2007 alle 15.09 +0100, Vincent Untz ha scritto:

 Matthew hacked this up to work with DEVICE_RESOLUTION, so SHMConfig
 isn't needed. Only three settings work, though (tap to click, horizontal
 scrolling, vertical scrolling).
 
 I don't know where to find a patch (the source package doesn't have any
 patch), but I believe it's only a minor change. But it's only a short
 term hack, I guess :-)
 
 (I looked at all this to see how easy it'd be to add support for my
 disable touchpad key)

mmmhhh.. 

Isn't Ignore touchpad while typing option a better solution for laptop
guys?
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Re: Input devices capplets

2007-11-05 Thread Rodrigo Moya

On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 18:59 +0100, Denis Washington wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I created two mockups for possible keyboard and mouse capplets in GNOME
 2.20. Their aim is to incorporate accessibility features in both; the
 existing keyboard a11y features into Keyboard and the already discussed
 Mousetweaks settings into Mouse. The mockups can be found here:
 
 Keyboard: http://ultimum-projekt.de/mockups/keyboard.html
 Mouse:http://ultimum-projekt.de/mockups/mouse.html
 
 What do you think?
 
I think they look good, given we can't really merge them on a single
capplet. The keyboard capplet has many tabs, but this is much better
than having separate a11y capplets, so, unless something better is
proposed, you've got my vote :)
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Re: Input devices capplets

2007-11-05 Thread Denis Washington

On Mon, 2007-11-05 at 17:57 +0100, Rodrigo Moya wrote:
 On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 18:59 +0100, Denis Washington wrote:
  Hi,
  
  I created two mockups for possible keyboard and mouse capplets in GNOME
  2.20. Their aim is to incorporate accessibility features in both; the
  existing keyboard a11y features into Keyboard and the already discussed
  Mousetweaks settings into Mouse. The mockups can be found here:
  
  Keyboard: http://ultimum-projekt.de/mockups/keyboard.html
  Mouse:http://ultimum-projekt.de/mockups/mouse.html
  
  What do you think?
  
 I think they look good, given we can't really merge them on a single
 capplet. The keyboard capplet has many tabs, but this is much better
 than having separate a11y capplets, so, unless something better is
 proposed, you've got my vote :)

Thanks for the positive feedback. :)

About the many tabs: at least the Layouts tab could move to the i18n
capplet when we have finished it.

The main problem that Jens and I still have is the organization of the
a11y options. I put the beep options in an extra Notifications window to
save space, but this is highly suboptimal. Having another way to
organize these settings sanely without having a too long tab would be
great.

Regards,
Denis

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Re: Input devices capplets

2007-11-04 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 11/1/07, Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 09:12:59AM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
  On 11/1/07, Scott James Remnant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
This needs infrastructure fixes in the lower layers first. SHMConfig
is really not something we want to turn on by default, the touchpad
driver should use the existing Xinput configuration mechanism.
   
   Exactly.  Our patches may not be that useful right now.
  
 
  Unfortunately, I don't expect much interest from the Ubuntu side in
  doing this kind of infrastructure work.
 
  Or do you have plans to do the right thing here in the long term, Scott ?

 The Ubuntu patches use XInput, not SHMConfig. However, right now they're
 overloading DEVICE_RESOLUTION rather than using a well-specified device
 control. I'm working with X upstream to define a suitable mechanism for
 doing this.


Thats great to hear, thanks.
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Re: Input devices capplets

2007-11-01 Thread Denis Washington

On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 16:27 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
 On 10/31/07, Jürg Billeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 18:59 +0100, Denis Washington wrote:
   I created two mockups for possible keyboard and mouse capplets in GNOME
   2.20. Their aim is to incorporate accessibility features in both; the
   existing keyboard a11y features into Keyboard and the already discussed
   Mousetweaks settings into Mouse. The mockups can be found here:
  
   Keyboard: http://ultimum-projekt.de/mockups/keyboard.html
   Mouse:http://ultimum-projekt.de/mockups/mouse.html
  
   What do you think?
 
  Shouldn't we also incorporate the Keyboard Shortcuts capplet into the
  Keyboard capplet at the same time? Otherwise good work, as far as I can
  tell from a quick look.
 
  I don't think there was sufficient agreement that shortcuts have much
 if anything to do with the other keyboard settings.

Especially if we have plans to add other kinds of shortcuts, like e.g.
mouse gestures, having them in the keyboard capplet is quite
counter-intuitive.

Denis

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Re: Input devices capplets

2007-11-01 Thread Étienne Bersac
Hi,

There is no touchpad tab in mouse capplet. Is this planned ?

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Re: Input devices capplets

2007-11-01 Thread Jonh Wendell
Em Qui, 2007-11-01 às 11:47 +0100, Étienne Bersac escreveu:
 Hi,
 
 There is no touchpad tab in mouse capplet. Is this planned ?

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154029

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Re: Input devices capplets

2007-11-01 Thread Étienne Bersac
Hi,

Running Gutsy, the mouse-properties capplet does have a touchpad tab.
But the mockup drops it. Unless this is planned, this is a regression.
Otherwise the touchpad tab is ubuntu specific.

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Re: Input devices capplets

2007-11-01 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 12:24 +0100, Étienne Bersac wrote:

 Running Gutsy, the mouse-properties capplet does have a touchpad tab.
 But the mockup drops it. Unless this is planned, this is a regression.
 Otherwise the touchpad tab is ubuntu specific.
 
It was a last minute hack-up by Matthew Garrett; he may not have sent
the patch upstream yet, and it may result on some other Ubuntu hacks to
work.

If there's immediate interest, I can dig it out if I know the right
person to give it to.

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Re: Input devices capplets

2007-11-01 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 11/1/07, Scott James Remnant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 12:24 +0100, Étienne Bersac wrote:

  Running Gutsy, the mouse-properties capplet does have a touchpad tab.
  But the mockup drops it. Unless this is planned, this is a regression.
  Otherwise the touchpad tab is ubuntu specific.
 
 It was a last minute hack-up by Matthew Garrett; he may not have sent
 the patch upstream yet, and it may result on some other Ubuntu hacks to


 If there's immediate interest, I can dig it out if I know the right
 person to give it to.


This needs infrastructure fixes in the lower layers first. SHMConfig
is really not something we want to turn on by default, the touchpad
driver should use the existing Xinput configuration mechanism.
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Re: Input devices capplets

2007-11-01 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 08:58 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:

 On 11/1/07, Scott James Remnant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 12:24 +0100, Étienne Bersac wrote:
 
   Running Gutsy, the mouse-properties capplet does have a touchpad tab.
   But the mockup drops it. Unless this is planned, this is a regression.
   Otherwise the touchpad tab is ubuntu specific.
  
  It was a last minute hack-up by Matthew Garrett; he may not have sent
  the patch upstream yet, and it may result on some other Ubuntu hacks to
 
 
  If there's immediate interest, I can dig it out if I know the right
  person to give it to.
 
 This needs infrastructure fixes in the lower layers first. SHMConfig
 is really not something we want to turn on by default, the touchpad
 driver should use the existing Xinput configuration mechanism.
 
Exactly.  Our patches may not be that useful right now.

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Re: Input devices capplets

2007-11-01 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 11/1/07, Scott James Remnant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  This needs infrastructure fixes in the lower layers first. SHMConfig
  is really not something we want to turn on by default, the touchpad
  driver should use the existing Xinput configuration mechanism.
 
 Exactly.  Our patches may not be that useful right now.


Unfortunately, I don't expect much interest from the Ubuntu side in
doing this kind of infrastructure work.

Or do you have plans to do the right thing here in the long term, Scott ?
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Re: Input devices capplets

2007-11-01 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 09:12 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:

 On 11/1/07, Scott James Remnant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   This needs infrastructure fixes in the lower layers first. SHMConfig
   is really not something we want to turn on by default, the touchpad
   driver should use the existing Xinput configuration mechanism.
  
  Exactly.  Our patches may not be that useful right now.
 
 Unfortunately, I don't expect much interest from the Ubuntu side in
 doing this kind of infrastructure work.
 
 Or do you have plans to do the right thing here in the long term, Scott ?
 
We have open positions for people to do this kind of work; it isn't
necessarily something our existing team has time/skills for.

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Re: Input devices capplets

2007-11-01 Thread Vincent Untz
Le jeudi 01 novembre 2007, à 08:58 -0400, Matthias Clasen a écrit :
 On 11/1/07, Scott James Remnant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 12:24 +0100, Étienne Bersac wrote:
 
   Running Gutsy, the mouse-properties capplet does have a touchpad tab.
   But the mockup drops it. Unless this is planned, this is a regression.
   Otherwise the touchpad tab is ubuntu specific.
  
  It was a last minute hack-up by Matthew Garrett; he may not have sent
  the patch upstream yet, and it may result on some other Ubuntu hacks to
 
 
  If there's immediate interest, I can dig it out if I know the right
  person to give it to.
 
 
 This needs infrastructure fixes in the lower layers first. SHMConfig
 is really not something we want to turn on by default, the touchpad
 driver should use the existing Xinput configuration mechanism.

Matthew hacked this up to work with DEVICE_RESOLUTION, so SHMConfig
isn't needed. Only three settings work, though (tap to click, horizontal
scrolling, vertical scrolling).

I don't know where to find a patch (the source package doesn't have any
patch), but I believe it's only a minor change. But it's only a short
term hack, I guess :-)

(I looked at all this to see how easy it'd be to add support for my
disable touchpad key)

Vincent

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Re: Input devices capplets

2007-11-01 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 15:09 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote:

 Le jeudi 01 novembre 2007, à 08:58 -0400, Matthias Clasen a écrit :
  On 11/1/07, Scott James Remnant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 12:24 +0100, Étienne Bersac wrote:
  
Running Gutsy, the mouse-properties capplet does have a touchpad tab.
But the mockup drops it. Unless this is planned, this is a regression.
Otherwise the touchpad tab is ubuntu specific.
   
   It was a last minute hack-up by Matthew Garrett; he may not have sent
   the patch upstream yet, and it may result on some other Ubuntu hacks to
  
  
   If there's immediate interest, I can dig it out if I know the right
   person to give it to.
  
  
  This needs infrastructure fixes in the lower layers first. SHMConfig
  is really not something we want to turn on by default, the touchpad
  driver should use the existing Xinput configuration mechanism.
 
 Matthew hacked this up to work with DEVICE_RESOLUTION, so SHMConfig
 isn't needed. Only three settings work, though (tap to click, horizontal
 scrolling, vertical scrolling).
 
 I don't know where to find a patch (the source package doesn't have any
 patch), but I believe it's only a minor change. But it's only a short
 term hack, I guess :-)
 
In debian/patches:

26_add_touchpad_to_mouse_settings.patch
27_add_touchpad_to_settings_daemon.patch
28_fixup_touchpad_config.patch
30_extra_touchpad_config_paranoia.patch

(http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/gnome-control-center-patches)

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Re: Input devices capplets

2007-11-01 Thread Steve Frécinaux

On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 18:59 +0100, Denis Washington wrote:

 Keyboard: http://ultimum-projekt.de/mockups/keyboard.html

The layout options dialog should really be re-worked in order to make it
understandable and usable...

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Re: Input devices capplets

2007-11-01 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 09:12:59AM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
 On 11/1/07, Scott James Remnant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   This needs infrastructure fixes in the lower layers first. SHMConfig
   is really not something we want to turn on by default, the touchpad
   driver should use the existing Xinput configuration mechanism.
  
  Exactly.  Our patches may not be that useful right now.
 
 
 Unfortunately, I don't expect much interest from the Ubuntu side in
 doing this kind of infrastructure work.
 
 Or do you have plans to do the right thing here in the long term, Scott ?

The Ubuntu patches use XInput, not SHMConfig. However, right now they're 
overloading DEVICE_RESOLUTION rather than using a well-specified device 
control. I'm working with X upstream to define a suitable mechanism for 
doing this.

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Re: Input devices capplets

2007-11-01 Thread Shaun McCance
On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 18:59 +0100, Denis Washington wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I created two mockups for possible keyboard and mouse capplets in GNOME
 2.20. Their aim is to incorporate accessibility features in both; the
 existing keyboard a11y features into Keyboard and the already discussed
 Mousetweaks settings into Mouse. The mockups can be found here:
 
 Keyboard: http://ultimum-projekt.de/mockups/keyboard.html
 Mouse:http://ultimum-projekt.de/mockups/mouse.html
 
 What do you think?

I would be tickled pink if somebody made the mouse preferences
tool capable of setting certain things on a per-mouse basis.
Some use cases:

*) My laptop has a touchpad, but I far prefer using an actual
mouse.  I use the touchpad when I have to, but plug in a mouse
when I have desk space.  My preferred speed settings for the
touchpad are much different than for the mouse.

*) To offset wrist pain, I've tried to teach myself to mouse
left-handed.  I'm reasonably OKish at it, but I still prefer
using the right for things where I need to be fast and precise
(like games).  It would be nice to have two mice, one set to
left-handed, the other to right-handed.

I blogged about this not long ago and got some comments.  In
particular, Anders Olsson says I myself am using a total of
six different pointing devices in different combinations.
So I'm at least not the only person weird enough to want this
functionality.

(I suspect my first use case is probably the most common use
of this proposed feature.  Lots of people prefer mice, but
will use their laptop's built-in pointing device when they
have to.)

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Re: Input devices capplets

2007-11-01 Thread Denis Washington

In Ubuntu, the touchpad tab is only shown if you have a touchpad.

Regards,
Denis


On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 12:24 +0100, Étienne Bersac wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Running Gutsy, the mouse-properties capplet does have a touchpad tab.
 But the mockup drops it. Unless this is planned, this is a regression.
 Otherwise the touchpad tab is ubuntu specific.
 
 Regards,
 Étienne.
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Input devices capplets

2007-10-31 Thread Denis Washington
Hi,

I created two mockups for possible keyboard and mouse capplets in GNOME
2.20. Their aim is to incorporate accessibility features in both; the
existing keyboard a11y features into Keyboard and the already discussed
Mousetweaks settings into Mouse. The mockups can be found here:

Keyboard: http://ultimum-projekt.de/mockups/keyboard.html
Mouse:http://ultimum-projekt.de/mockups/mouse.html

What do you think?

Regards,
Denis

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Re: Input devices capplets

2007-10-31 Thread Jürg Billeter
On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 18:59 +0100, Denis Washington wrote:
 I created two mockups for possible keyboard and mouse capplets in GNOME
 2.20. Their aim is to incorporate accessibility features in both; the
 existing keyboard a11y features into Keyboard and the already discussed
 Mousetweaks settings into Mouse. The mockups can be found here:
 
 Keyboard: http://ultimum-projekt.de/mockups/keyboard.html
 Mouse:http://ultimum-projekt.de/mockups/mouse.html
 
 What do you think?

Shouldn't we also incorporate the Keyboard Shortcuts capplet into the
Keyboard capplet at the same time? Otherwise good work, as far as I can
tell from a quick look.

Jürg

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Re: Input devices capplets

2007-10-31 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 10/31/07, Jürg Billeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 18:59 +0100, Denis Washington wrote:
  I created two mockups for possible keyboard and mouse capplets in GNOME
  2.20. Their aim is to incorporate accessibility features in both; the
  existing keyboard a11y features into Keyboard and the already discussed
  Mousetweaks settings into Mouse. The mockups can be found here:
 
  Keyboard: http://ultimum-projekt.de/mockups/keyboard.html
  Mouse:http://ultimum-projekt.de/mockups/mouse.html
 
  What do you think?

 Shouldn't we also incorporate the Keyboard Shortcuts capplet into the
 Keyboard capplet at the same time? Otherwise good work, as far as I can
 tell from a quick look.

 I don't think there was sufficient agreement that shortcuts have much
if anything to do with the other keyboard settings.
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