Re: libpanel-applet-3 and gtk 2
Le mercredi 09 février 2011 à 23:11 +0100, Vincent Untz a écrit : The same question is for Bonobo applets. Will they still be supported? Not excessively hard to do so, but not being actively worked on right now. I'm not sure it's worth investing time in there, since the number of applets that were developped over years is rather small... We have more than 60 panel applet packages in Debian. I wouldn’t call that a “rather small” number; it is one of the largest numbers of plugin packages for a given GUI application. Of course, many of these applets are not actively developed, and most of them will simply be ditched with the move to GTK 3. -- .''`. : :' : “You would need to ask a lawyer if you don't know `. `' that a handshake of course makes a valid contract.” `--- J???rg Schilling ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: libpanel-applet-3 and gtk 2
A small change that will make a big difference is to replace Exec=gnote with Exec=gnote --search in the desktop file. As things are right now, I always have to 'start' gnote twice to get any ui I can interact with... ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: libpanel-applet-3 and gtk 2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Will there be a gtk2 version of libpanel-applet-3 when GNOME 3.0 is released? There is libpanel-applet-4 for the fallback mode in GNOME 3. There's no plan to have a gtk2 version of it, at the moment. It's certainly doable, though, but I don't see much point in doing so. I'd guess it's just a matter of taking libpanel-applet-3 and updating it for the dbus protocol changes (mostly in background handling); and removing the option to run the applets in-process. So, as I understand, porting Gnote to GTK3 is the answer. Thanks. - -- Aurimas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNVEUqAAoJECtTeRAzEaLPDL4H/3f5mQgt1HLw8Pa8W5857fZo I/HFswo7kx9e1zHuO9visiPS6fAkktB9ezv7YiLvtgGI1sLGWkK5BES4+50Z1TLc uVjIzfM2y59bUhD+ig60nZEfmixjhbltnfTlGAvExNmIDrFwuYO3r+X+t1f5ohbl H+zFjPFE7d4aoAEqI0fZF8wOQch8HpfTCzSsxuqSqEbQNGmu5BHG5IrlXirav+yc XTq3efcErH1Qh8InbePIjipkv0kIlyTeZmF/9u2DrUVKW2ruRJKmqgXrunUCkci0 unvjR4iWoUdh75KjlODJt8fRNJcPmilg7elcXcQZxgsPTaFzEaRDDm65gzKZYVI= =VGjz -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
libpanel-applet-3 and gtk 2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Will there be a gtk2 version of libpanel-applet-3 when GNOME 3.0 is released? I have successfully ported Gnote to libpanel-applet-3 on GNOME 2.32 and I wonder, if it will be possible to use it as applet in GNOME 3.0 in gnome-panel (fallback mode). I have plans to port Gnote to Gtkmm 3.0 and have already started this, but there are only 24 hours in a day (someone, write a patch to remove this limitation!), so I'm not sure I'll finish this in time. The same question is for Bonobo applets. Will they still be supported? - -- Aurimas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNUwAQAAoJECtTeRAzEaLPWmwH/i+zKHtYTj/tw69Fe/DsLugT J8GIJ46WPgzj6GqQJ42et58/aY3ODa1cc4xz7I1rkWu1058eGhnAZKyNIBsCwmPp us8hn4zDsOCqWHHp6FhJyxEhQ5ZsqbLA8oXOAPSeYZA5BL3DleJU0WPsvknSRp3h aaALYhhpAwLSQR28PpoazewgEwOE6f0iNvGYuuBW4Gmxs3KOZhN1yFGAPd41Rzml 9pjqqH7NY/dXqXVhmpwvxeEGdBsH2TFMr1OJ4kFU+2JPYnijQ+dxZuamcM9S0Veg +yUB1CaXvnFFqeYpKdg+CXXtpi94ggelkxuIJhQHQQpJPdZXAMMslqoltpsOANs= =5I1s -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: libpanel-applet-3 and gtk 2
Will there be a gtk2 version of libpanel-applet-3 when GNOME 3.0 is released? I have successfully ported Gnote to libpanel-applet-3 on GNOME 2.32 and I wonder, if it will be possible to use it as applet in GNOME 3.0 in gnome-panel (fallback mode). I have plans to port Gnote to Gtkmm 3.0 and have already started this, but there are only 24 hours in a day (someone, write a patch to remove this limitation!), so I'm not sure I'll finish this in time. The same question is for Bonobo applets. Will they still be supported? I think you could make better use of those limited 24 hour days than working on the applet part of gnote. As I said on fedora-desktop-list a while ago: I think we probably don't need the applet anymore, even in fallback mode. The basic recommendations are - don't use a statusicon - make it a real application - don't start it by default - integrate the hotkeys properly with the control-center key bindings - arrange for gnote to be activated when the keybindings are used Matthias ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: libpanel-applet-3 and gtk 2
2011/2/9 Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com: Will there be a gtk2 version of libpanel-applet-3 when GNOME 3.0 is released? I have successfully ported Gnote to libpanel-applet-3 on GNOME 2.32 and I wonder, if it will be possible to use it as applet in GNOME 3.0 in gnome-panel (fallback mode). I have plans to port Gnote to Gtkmm 3.0 and have already started this, but there are only 24 hours in a day (someone, write a patch to remove this limitation!), so I'm not sure I'll finish this in time. The same question is for Bonobo applets. Will they still be supported? I think you could make better use of those limited 24 hour days than working on the applet part of gnote. As I said on fedora-desktop-list a while ago: I think we probably don't need the applet anymore, even in fallback mode. The basic recommendations are - don't use a statusicon - make it a real application - don't start it by default - integrate the hotkeys properly with the control-center key bindings - arrange for gnote to be activated when the keybindings are used Which make the application undiscoverable by new users (I don't expect them to know about keybinding) and not easily activable with mouse only. -- Frederic Crozat ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: libpanel-applet-3 and gtk 2
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Frederic Crozat f...@crozat.net wrote: 2011/2/9 Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com: Which make the application undiscoverable by new users (I don't expect them to know about keybinding) and not easily activable with mouse only. It will be just as discoverable as any other app that is available in the application list in the overview. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: libpanel-applet-3 and gtk 2
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Frederic Crozat f...@crozat.net wrote: 2011/2/9 Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com: - make it a real application Which make the application undiscoverable by new users (I don't expect them to know about keybinding) and not easily activable with mouse only. If it has a .desktop file etc. then it's just as discoverable as the rest of the apps. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: libpanel-applet-3 and gtk 2
Le mercredi 09 février 2011, à 22:59 +0200, Aurimas Černius a écrit : Hi, Will there be a gtk2 version of libpanel-applet-3 when GNOME 3.0 is released? There is libpanel-applet-4 for the fallback mode in GNOME 3. There's no plan to have a gtk2 version of it, at the moment. It's certainly doable, though, but I don't see much point in doing so. I'd guess it's just a matter of taking libpanel-applet-3 and updating it for the dbus protocol changes (mostly in background handling); and removing the option to run the applets in-process. [...] The same question is for Bonobo applets. Will they still be supported? Not excessively hard to do so, but not being actively worked on right now. I'm not sure it's worth investing time in there, since the number of applets that were developped over years is rather small... Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: libpanel-applet-3 and gtk 2
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Colin Walters walt...@verbum.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Frederic Crozat f...@crozat.net wrote: 2011/2/9 Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com: - make it a real application Which make the application undiscoverable by new users (I don't expect them to know about keybinding) and not easily activable with mouse only. If it has a .desktop file etc. then it's just as discoverable as the rest of the apps. Right, that's the approach we've decided on for Tomboy. We'll ship the panel applet code (disabled by default) for distros that want to keep using it, and the status icon will still be available as an extension for users that want it, but in general it will act just like any other app. At Summit we discussed ways to replace the whole tray menu with jumplists in gnome-shell, but as far as I know nobody (certainly not me) has had time to implement that for 3.0. Actually there was some disagreement about how to show recent documents in such a list, so although it would be cool to work on it for 3.2, there isn't a solid plan in place yet afaik. Sandy ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
