[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1084745] Re: Gnome displays wrong language
On 2012-12-11 19:27, Rüdiger Kupper wrote: > What I intended to say to Ubuntu was: > > "Use the English language everywhere, and if there's a difference > between UK and US English, please utilize the US variant. Only in the > (very rare) cases, where there's *no English translation at all* > available, among all other languages, chose the German translation." > > Please tell me how I would indicate this choice with the existing GUI. You can't. And it's not a GUI issue, really. The LANGUAGE environment variable is populated in accordance with the GUI, but the resulting display language is determined by gettext and the translations. > To phrase it the other way round: My expectation was that "English (US)" > contains all the usual English strings, with only small variations where > there's a difference between UK and US English. Well, as you know now, it doesn't. I, too, like Jeremy's idea. Reopening the bug and changing the affected package (again). ** Package changed: language-selector (Ubuntu) => accountsservice (Ubuntu) ** Changed in: accountsservice (Ubuntu) Status: Invalid => Confirmed ** Summary changed: - Gnome displays wrong language + Unexpected display language -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to accountsservice in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1084745 Title: Unexpected display language Status in “accountsservice” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: Gnome displays German language, although English (US) is selected as primary language. See attached screenshot. (I have rebooted twice since setting language to English). ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 12.10 Package: gnome 1:3.0+6ubuntu4 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.5.0-18.29-generic 3.5.7 Uname: Linux 3.5.0-18-generic i686 ApportVersion: 2.6.1-0ubuntu6 Architecture: i386 Date: Thu Nov 29 22:38:03 2012 InstallationDate: Installed on 2010-11-28 (732 days ago) InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.10 "Maverick Meerkat" - Release i386 (20101007) MarkForUpload: True SourcePackage: meta-gnome3 UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to quantal on 2012-10-20 (39 days ago) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/accountsservice/+bug/1084745/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1084745] Re: Gnome displays wrong language
Thanks Gunnar for the explanation, I see now where I misunderstood the GUI. Jeremy as pretty much hit the point as to what my misunderstanding was. Let the paraphrase what my intention was choosing this setup. What I intended to say to Ubuntu was: "Use the English language everywhere, and if there's a difference between UK and US English, please utilize the US variant. Only in the (very rare) cases, where there's *no English translation at all* available, among all other languages, chose the German translation." Please tell me how I would indicate this choice with the existing GUI. To phrase it the other way round: My expectation was that "English (US)" contains all the usual English strings, with only small variations where there's a difference between UK and US English. It's not at all obvious that "English (US)" only contains the strings that differ from "English". The only way that this language set makes sense is to *always* chose "English" as the second language. And if this is so, the content of "English" could as well be included into "English (US)". I believe that this should be changed (as Jeremy suggested). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to language-selector in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1084745 Title: Gnome displays wrong language Status in “language-selector” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Bug description: Gnome displays German language, although English (US) is selected as primary language. See attached screenshot. (I have rebooted twice since setting language to English). ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 12.10 Package: gnome 1:3.0+6ubuntu4 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.5.0-18.29-generic 3.5.7 Uname: Linux 3.5.0-18-generic i686 ApportVersion: 2.6.1-0ubuntu6 Architecture: i386 Date: Thu Nov 29 22:38:03 2012 InstallationDate: Installed on 2010-11-28 (732 days ago) InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.10 "Maverick Meerkat" - Release i386 (20101007) MarkForUpload: True SourcePackage: meta-gnome3 UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to quantal on 2012-10-20 (39 days ago) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/1084745/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1084745] Re: Gnome displays wrong language
On the other hand, Language Selector's UI is confusing. English (US) should inherently (and possibly invisibly) fall back to English since English (US) is such an incomplete translation. Probably the other English variations should as well. I think we should reopen this bug. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to language-selector in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1084745 Title: Gnome displays wrong language Status in “language-selector” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Bug description: Gnome displays German language, although English (US) is selected as primary language. See attached screenshot. (I have rebooted twice since setting language to English). ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 12.10 Package: gnome 1:3.0+6ubuntu4 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.5.0-18.29-generic 3.5.7 Uname: Linux 3.5.0-18-generic i686 ApportVersion: 2.6.1-0ubuntu6 Architecture: i386 Date: Thu Nov 29 22:38:03 2012 InstallationDate: Installed on 2010-11-28 (732 days ago) InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.10 "Maverick Meerkat" - Release i386 (20101007) MarkForUpload: True SourcePackage: meta-gnome3 UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to quantal on 2012-10-20 (39 days ago) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/1084745/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1084745] Re: Gnome displays wrong language
Hi Rüdiger, Thanks for your effort to improve Ubuntu by reporting this observation! Actually it's not a bug, though. English (US) does only include 'translations' for a few packages with message strings where somebody has found it motivated to change the programs' English message strings to something more American. By having German as the second language you tell the system to display messages in German if no English (US) translation is available. Since the program language is English, it makes no sense to have a non-English second language. If you just drag the German item downwards, log out, and log in again, you'll only see English messages. If you click the "Help" button in Language Support, you find a help document that may further explain how it works. ** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu) Status: New => Invalid -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to language-selector in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1084745 Title: Gnome displays wrong language Status in “language-selector” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Bug description: Gnome displays German language, although English (US) is selected as primary language. See attached screenshot. (I have rebooted twice since setting language to English). ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 12.10 Package: gnome 1:3.0+6ubuntu4 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.5.0-18.29-generic 3.5.7 Uname: Linux 3.5.0-18-generic i686 ApportVersion: 2.6.1-0ubuntu6 Architecture: i386 Date: Thu Nov 29 22:38:03 2012 InstallationDate: Installed on 2010-11-28 (732 days ago) InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.10 "Maverick Meerkat" - Release i386 (20101007) MarkForUpload: True SourcePackage: meta-gnome3 UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to quantal on 2012-10-20 (39 days ago) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/1084745/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1084745] Re: Gnome displays wrong language
** Package changed: meta-gnome3 (Ubuntu) => language-selector (Ubuntu) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to language-selector in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1084745 Title: Gnome displays wrong language Status in “language-selector” package in Ubuntu: New Bug description: Gnome displays German language, although English (US) is selected as primary language. See attached screenshot. (I have rebooted twice since setting language to English). ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 12.10 Package: gnome 1:3.0+6ubuntu4 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.5.0-18.29-generic 3.5.7 Uname: Linux 3.5.0-18-generic i686 ApportVersion: 2.6.1-0ubuntu6 Architecture: i386 Date: Thu Nov 29 22:38:03 2012 InstallationDate: Installed on 2010-11-28 (732 days ago) InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.10 "Maverick Meerkat" - Release i386 (20101007) MarkForUpload: True SourcePackage: meta-gnome3 UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to quantal on 2012-10-20 (39 days ago) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/1084745/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
