[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1173571] Re: please add wenquanyi micro hei settings back with 69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf
@Laney: I just spent some time checking what is changed with those fontconfig files. I found that Micro Hei related config listed in 69-language-selector-zh- tw.conf before raring is merged into 65-ttf-wqy-microhei.conf. Those binding things listed at the last part of the conf are outdated and should be removed. The binding setting was to mimic the look and feel provided by previous Ubuntu versions which use DejaVu Sans as default font. (Yeah, I wrote those lines) However, we use "ubuntu" font now. That configuration is not needed anymore. Here is the overview of my analysis about the font configuration now. 1. the setting in 65-ttf-wqy-microhei.conf does not strongly affect the Chinese characters provided by those pseudo font family such as serif, sans-serif and monospace. Here is the priority of the conf affecting the Chinese characters provided by sans-serif, *I rm 69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf and found that sans-serif was then WenQuanYi Zen Hei (mainly decided by 64-wqy-zenhei.conf and partially 65-nonlatin.conf). *I rm 64-wqy-zenhei.conf and found that sans-serif was later AR PL UKai (mainly decided by 65-fonts-arphic-ukai.conf). *I rm 65-fonts-arphic-ukai.conf and then it would be AR PL UMing (mainly decided by 65-fonts-arphic-uming.conf). *I rm 65-fonts-arhpic-uming.conf and it later became WenQuanYi Zen Hei (mainly decided by 65-nonlatin.conf). *I rm 65-nanlatin.conf and it became WenQuanYi MicroHei finally. Bottom line is that it is not that easy if we want to make things work in 65-ttf-wqy-microhei.conf. Maybe we have to figure out a better setting or change the priority. 2. 69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf has higher priority in this case about the Chinese characters provided by sans-serif than those conf with smaller prefix number. Improvement proposal 0. it is better to clean up those unnecessary lines in 65-ttf-wqy-microhei.conf 1a. change 69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf directly to use WenQuanYi Micro Hei instead of WenQuanYi Zen Hei. 1b. make 65-ttf-wqy-microhei.conf setting affect stronger. Change the settings or tune the prefix number or somewhat. I believe that the easiest way to fix this issue is 1a. Well, I just don't figure out why you have to move to WenQuanYi Zen Hei for Chinese characters. Moreover, you seem to have no convincing reason about the idea behind this decision making. The visual appearance provided by WenQuanYi Micro Hei is absolutely the best choice from the eyes of Chinese readers. This is my point of view. Hope that we will have better configuration for Chinese users in the futer. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to language-selector in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1173571 Title: please add wenquanyi micro hei settings back with 69-language- selector-zh-tw.conf Status in “language-selector” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: In quantal and previous version of ubuntu, we use WenQuanYi Micro Hei as default Chinese (Traditional) fonts for Sans, Monospace. However, the default font is set to WenQuanYi Zen Hei in 0.110 version provided by Raring. It is a regression that most of Chinese (Traditional) users don't appreciate this change. We would like to use WenQuanYi Micro Hei as before. I changed the conf provided by raring to fit we Chinese (Traditional) users more to have WenQuanYi Micro Hei back. Please accept the patch. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/1173571/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1173571] Re: please add wenquanyi micro hei settings back with 69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf
Current Chinese font in 13.04 really hurt my eyes, WQY Micro Hei should really have higher precedence. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to language-selector in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1173571 Title: please add wenquanyi micro hei settings back with 69-language- selector-zh-tw.conf Status in “language-selector” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: In quantal and previous version of ubuntu, we use WenQuanYi Micro Hei as default Chinese (Traditional) fonts for Sans, Monospace. However, the default font is set to WenQuanYi Zen Hei in 0.110 version provided by Raring. It is a regression that most of Chinese (Traditional) users don't appreciate this change. We would like to use WenQuanYi Micro Hei as before. I changed the conf provided by raring to fit we Chinese (Traditional) users more to have WenQuanYi Micro Hei back. Please accept the patch. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/1173571/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1173571] Re: please add wenquanyi micro hei settings back with 69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf
Well, in Chinese reader's eyes, it is much more readible and pretty for WQY Micro Hei than WQY Zen Hei. The strokes of each character provided by WQY Zen Hei are firstly compozed by programs, then those strokes later adjusted by manual as it is not that readible. WQY Micro Hei is derived from Google Droid Sans Fallback, and being added some character it did not provide. Although WQY Zen Hei does has higher coverage on Han characters, WQY Micro Hei is still prefered as the first high quility freefont for Chinese font so far. I don't know why we now palce WQY Zen Hei or Droid Sans Fallback as the first font with those zh-*.conf. What is the main reason? I would suggest using Micro Hei instead of Zen Hei in this case. I agree with clean up those fontconfig setting in language support. Of course, we can assign or bind Micro Hei / Micro Hei Mono to existing Sans or Monospace with is matched by fontconfig settings. It is fine with this way as you think that this is the right and best way. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to language-selector in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1173571 Title: please add wenquanyi micro hei settings back with 69-language- selector-zh-tw.conf Status in “language-selector” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: In quantal and previous version of ubuntu, we use WenQuanYi Micro Hei as default Chinese (Traditional) fonts for Sans, Monospace. However, the default font is set to WenQuanYi Zen Hei in 0.110 version provided by Raring. It is a regression that most of Chinese (Traditional) users don't appreciate this change. We would like to use WenQuanYi Micro Hei as before. I changed the conf provided by raring to fit we Chinese (Traditional) users more to have WenQuanYi Micro Hei back. Please accept the patch. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/1173571/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1173571] Re: please add wenquanyi micro hei settings back with 69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf
I'm disturbed that "most" Chinese users are unhappy despite my extensive attempts to consult in order to get the configuration right for raring. I think we should figure out how to make this stick in ttf-wqy- microhei's fontconfig files instead of in l-s. This is supposed to happen already. Perhaps adding binding=strong? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to language-selector in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1173571 Title: please add wenquanyi micro hei settings back with 69-language- selector-zh-tw.conf Status in “language-selector” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: In quantal and previous version of ubuntu, we use WenQuanYi Micro Hei as default Chinese (Traditional) fonts for Sans, Monospace. However, the default font is set to WenQuanYi Zen Hei in 0.110 version provided by Raring. It is a regression that most of Chinese (Traditional) users don't appreciate this change. We would like to use WenQuanYi Micro Hei as before. I changed the conf provided by raring to fit we Chinese (Traditional) users more to have WenQuanYi Micro Hei back. Please accept the patch. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/1173571/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1173571] Re: please add wenquanyi micro hei settings back with 69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf
@Laney: Would appreciate your advice on how to deal with this. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to language-selector in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1173571 Title: please add wenquanyi micro hei settings back with 69-language- selector-zh-tw.conf Status in “language-selector” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: In quantal and previous version of ubuntu, we use WenQuanYi Micro Hei as default Chinese (Traditional) fonts for Sans, Monospace. However, the default font is set to WenQuanYi Zen Hei in 0.110 version provided by Raring. It is a regression that most of Chinese (Traditional) users don't appreciate this change. We would like to use WenQuanYi Micro Hei as before. I changed the conf provided by raring to fit we Chinese (Traditional) users more to have WenQuanYi Micro Hei back. Please accept the patch. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/1173571/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1173571] Re: please add wenquanyi micro hei settings back with 69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf
** Description changed: - In quantal and previous version of ubuntu, we use WenQuenYi Micro Hei as + In quantal and previous version of ubuntu, we use WenQuanYi Micro Hei as default Chinese (Traditional) fonts for Sans, Monospace. However, the - default font is set to WenQuenYi Zen Hei in 0.110 version provided by + default font is set to WenQuanYi Zen Hei in 0.110 version provided by Raring. It is a regression that most of Chinese (Traditional) users don't - appreciate this change. We would like to use WenQuenYi Micro Hei as + appreciate this change. We would like to use WenQuanYi Micro Hei as before. I changed the conf provided by raring to fit we Chinese (Traditional) users more to have WenQuanYi Micro Hei back. Please accept the patch. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to language-selector in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1173571 Title: please add wenquanyi micro hei settings back with 69-language- selector-zh-tw.conf Status in “language-selector” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: In quantal and previous version of ubuntu, we use WenQuanYi Micro Hei as default Chinese (Traditional) fonts for Sans, Monospace. However, the default font is set to WenQuanYi Zen Hei in 0.110 version provided by Raring. It is a regression that most of Chinese (Traditional) users don't appreciate this change. We would like to use WenQuanYi Micro Hei as before. I changed the conf provided by raring to fit we Chinese (Traditional) users more to have WenQuanYi Micro Hei back. Please accept the patch. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/1173571/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1173571] Re: please add wenquanyi micro hei settings back with 69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf
Must to change it! Set "WenQuanYi Micro Hei" to be instead of "WenQuanYi Zen Hei" in all place. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to language-selector in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1173571 Title: please add wenquanyi micro hei settings back with 69-language- selector-zh-tw.conf Status in “language-selector” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: In quantal and previous version of ubuntu, we use WenQuenYi Micro Hei as default Chinese (Traditional) fonts for Sans, Monospace. However, the default font is set to WenQuenYi Zen Hei in 0.110 version provided by Raring. It is a regression that most of Chinese (Traditional) users don't appreciate this change. We would like to use WenQuenYi Micro Hei as before. I changed the conf provided by raring to fit we Chinese (Traditional) users more to have WenQuanYi Micro Hei back. Please accept the patch. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/1173571/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1173571] Re: please add wenquanyi micro hei settings back with 69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf
** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu) Status: New => Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to language-selector in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1173571 Title: please add wenquanyi micro hei settings back with 69-language- selector-zh-tw.conf Status in “language-selector” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: In quantal and previous version of ubuntu, we use WenQuenYi Micro Hei as default Chinese (Traditional) fonts for Sans, Monospace. However, the default font is set to WenQuenYi Zen Hei in 0.110 version provided by Raring. It is a regression that most of Chinese (Traditional) users don't appreciate this change. We would like to use WenQuenYi Micro Hei as before. I changed the conf provided by raring to fit we Chinese (Traditional) users more to have WenQuanYi Micro Hei back. Please accept the patch. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/1173571/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1173571] Re: please add wenquanyi micro hei settings back with 69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf
** Summary changed: - please add wenquenyi micro hei settings back with 69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf + please add wenquanyi micro hei settings back with 69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to language-selector in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1173571 Title: please add wenquanyi micro hei settings back with 69-language- selector-zh-tw.conf Status in “language-selector” package in Ubuntu: New Bug description: In quantal and previous version of ubuntu, we use WenQuenYi Micro Hei as default Chinese (Traditional) fonts for Sans, Monospace. However, the default font is set to WenQuenYi Zen Hei in 0.110 version provided by Raring. It is a regression that most of Chinese (Traditional) users don't appreciate this change. We would like to use WenQuenYi Micro Hei as before. I changed the conf provided by raring to fit we Chinese (Traditional) users more to have WenQuanYi Micro Hei back. Please accept the patch. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/1173571/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
