[Desktop-packages] [Bug 2017573] Re: Font hinting broken on 23.04

2023-04-25 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
I made some changes to this bug report, such as replacing fontconfig
with plasma-desktop as the affected package. While I'm not sure about
that either, it's a way to call the Kubuntu developers' attention to the
issue.

** Package changed: fontconfig (Ubuntu) => plasma-desktop (Ubuntu)

** Changed in: plasma-desktop (Ubuntu)
   Status: Incomplete => New

** Summary changed:

- Font hinting broken on 23.04
+ Font hinting broken on Plasma 23.04

** Tags added: lunar regression-release

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Title:
  Font hinting broken on Plasma 23.04

Status in plasma-desktop package in Ubuntu:
  New

Bug description:
  Just upgraded my laptops to Kubuntu 23.04 Lunar Lobster and hinting
  for all non-commercial fonts seems broken. I used to have decent if
  not perfect hinting on Ubuntu and Ubuntu Mono font, but now the only
  fonts that still hint correctly are Microsoft's Verdana and Tahoma
  etc. Not sure whether the devide is exactly along this line, but it
  stands out.

  Tried regenerating font cache (fc-cache -rv) but that didn't help.

  Operating System: Kubuntu 23.04
  KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.4
  KDE Frameworks Version: 5.104.0
  Qt Version: 5.15.8
  Kernel Version: 6.3.0 (64-bit)
  Graphics Platform: Wayland
  Processors: 8 × Intel® Core™ i7-10510U CPU @ 1.80GHz
  Memory: 31.1 GiB of RAM
  Graphics Processor: Mesa Intel® UHD Graphics
  Manufacturer: Notebook
  Product Name: N141CU
  System Version: Not Applicable

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 2017573] Re: Font hinting broken on 23.04

2023-04-25 Thread mrvanes
I was trying to be as complete as possible in my bugreport but I just
checked and there is no difference under X11 (same issue).

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Title:
  Font hinting broken on 23.04

Status in fontconfig package in Ubuntu:
  Incomplete

Bug description:
  Just upgraded my laptops to Kubuntu 23.04 Lunar Lobster and hinting
  for all non-commercial fonts seems broken. I used to have decent if
  not perfect hinting on Ubuntu and Ubuntu Mono font, but now the only
  fonts that still hint correctly are Microsoft's Verdana and Tahoma
  etc. Not sure whether the devide is exactly along this line, but it
  stands out.

  Tried regenerating font cache (fc-cache -rv) but that didn't help.

  Operating System: Kubuntu 23.04
  KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.4
  KDE Frameworks Version: 5.104.0
  Qt Version: 5.15.8
  Kernel Version: 6.3.0 (64-bit)
  Graphics Platform: Wayland
  Processors: 8 × Intel® Core™ i7-10510U CPU @ 1.80GHz
  Memory: 31.1 GiB of RAM
  Graphics Processor: Mesa Intel® UHD Graphics
  Manufacturer: Notebook
  Product Name: N141CU
  System Version: Not Applicable

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 2017573] Re: Font hinting broken on 23.04

2023-04-25 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
Thanks again.

You mentioned "under Wayland". Does that mean that the issue is not
present if you log in to a Plasma (X11) session instead of a Plasma
(Wayland) one?

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Title:
  Font hinting broken on 23.04

Status in fontconfig package in Ubuntu:
  Incomplete

Bug description:
  Just upgraded my laptops to Kubuntu 23.04 Lunar Lobster and hinting
  for all non-commercial fonts seems broken. I used to have decent if
  not perfect hinting on Ubuntu and Ubuntu Mono font, but now the only
  fonts that still hint correctly are Microsoft's Verdana and Tahoma
  etc. Not sure whether the devide is exactly along this line, but it
  stands out.

  Tried regenerating font cache (fc-cache -rv) but that didn't help.

  Operating System: Kubuntu 23.04
  KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.4
  KDE Frameworks Version: 5.104.0
  Qt Version: 5.15.8
  Kernel Version: 6.3.0 (64-bit)
  Graphics Platform: Wayland
  Processors: 8 × Intel® Core™ i7-10510U CPU @ 1.80GHz
  Memory: 31.1 GiB of RAM
  Graphics Processor: Mesa Intel® UHD Graphics
  Manufacturer: Notebook
  Product Name: N141CU
  System Version: Not Applicable

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 2017573] Re: Font hinting broken on 23.04

2023-04-25 Thread mrvanes
This is what Verdana without hinting looks like, so it's clear that
hinting setting has influence on rendering of Verdana font, but doesn't
on other fonts.

** Attachment added: "no-hinting.png"
   
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/2017573/+attachment/5668370/+files/no-hinting.png

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  Font hinting broken on 23.04

Status in fontconfig package in Ubuntu:
  Incomplete

Bug description:
  Just upgraded my laptops to Kubuntu 23.04 Lunar Lobster and hinting
  for all non-commercial fonts seems broken. I used to have decent if
  not perfect hinting on Ubuntu and Ubuntu Mono font, but now the only
  fonts that still hint correctly are Microsoft's Verdana and Tahoma
  etc. Not sure whether the devide is exactly along this line, but it
  stands out.

  Tried regenerating font cache (fc-cache -rv) but that didn't help.

  Operating System: Kubuntu 23.04
  KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.4
  KDE Frameworks Version: 5.104.0
  Qt Version: 5.15.8
  Kernel Version: 6.3.0 (64-bit)
  Graphics Platform: Wayland
  Processors: 8 × Intel® Core™ i7-10510U CPU @ 1.80GHz
  Memory: 31.1 GiB of RAM
  Graphics Processor: Mesa Intel® UHD Graphics
  Manufacturer: Notebook
  Product Name: N141CU
  System Version: Not Applicable

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 2017573] Re: Font hinting broken on 23.04

2023-04-25 Thread mrvanes
See attachment for clarification of bad/broken hinting.
In this example I'm using Verdana (correctly full hinted) to display the dialog 
and choose Ubuntu Mono to be previewed (incorrectly full hinted)

** Attachment added: "hinting.png"
   
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/2017573/+attachment/5668365/+files/hinting.png

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Title:
  Font hinting broken on 23.04

Status in fontconfig package in Ubuntu:
  Incomplete

Bug description:
  Just upgraded my laptops to Kubuntu 23.04 Lunar Lobster and hinting
  for all non-commercial fonts seems broken. I used to have decent if
  not perfect hinting on Ubuntu and Ubuntu Mono font, but now the only
  fonts that still hint correctly are Microsoft's Verdana and Tahoma
  etc. Not sure whether the devide is exactly along this line, but it
  stands out.

  Tried regenerating font cache (fc-cache -rv) but that didn't help.

  Operating System: Kubuntu 23.04
  KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.4
  KDE Frameworks Version: 5.104.0
  Qt Version: 5.15.8
  Kernel Version: 6.3.0 (64-bit)
  Graphics Platform: Wayland
  Processors: 8 × Intel® Core™ i7-10510U CPU @ 1.80GHz
  Memory: 31.1 GiB of RAM
  Graphics Processor: Mesa Intel® UHD Graphics
  Manufacturer: Notebook
  Product Name: N141CU
  System Version: Not Applicable

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 2017573] Re: Font hinting broken on 23.04

2023-04-24 Thread mrvanes
No I think it's somehow deeper. Plasma honours the configuration, but
the hinting for certain fonts is broken. Correctly hinted fonts should
nicely follow pixels on a resolution restricted display. That is no
longer the case and results in ugly rendered fonts. See attachment from
the first post for an example.

I am not sure what part is responsible for rendering the fonts under
Wayland, hence the ansence of package name on the original post.

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Title:
  Font hinting broken on 23.04

Status in fontconfig package in Ubuntu:
  Incomplete

Bug description:
  Just upgraded my laptops to Kubuntu 23.04 Lunar Lobster and hinting
  for all non-commercial fonts seems broken. I used to have decent if
  not perfect hinting on Ubuntu and Ubuntu Mono font, but now the only
  fonts that still hint correctly are Microsoft's Verdana and Tahoma
  etc. Not sure whether the devide is exactly along this line, but it
  stands out.

  Tried regenerating font cache (fc-cache -rv) but that didn't help.

  Operating System: Kubuntu 23.04
  KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.4
  KDE Frameworks Version: 5.104.0
  Qt Version: 5.15.8
  Kernel Version: 6.3.0 (64-bit)
  Graphics Platform: Wayland
  Processors: 8 × Intel® Core™ i7-10510U CPU @ 1.80GHz
  Memory: 31.1 GiB of RAM
  Graphics Processor: Mesa Intel® UHD Graphics
  Manufacturer: Notebook
  Product Name: N141CU
  System Version: Not Applicable

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 2017573] Re: Font hinting broken on 23.04

2023-04-24 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
On 2023-04-24 23:00, mrvanes wrote:
> It's written to ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf

For me it's not. Wonder why.

> and it certainly is used.

Right, it should be, because that file path is not deprecated.

Thanks for clarifications.

Then, if I understand it correctly, the problem is specific to Plasma
somehow, i.e. the Plasma desktop does no longer honor the font
configuration. Is that a correct interpretation of the issue?

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  Font hinting broken on 23.04

Status in fontconfig package in Ubuntu:
  Incomplete

Bug description:
  Just upgraded my laptops to Kubuntu 23.04 Lunar Lobster and hinting
  for all non-commercial fonts seems broken. I used to have decent if
  not perfect hinting on Ubuntu and Ubuntu Mono font, but now the only
  fonts that still hint correctly are Microsoft's Verdana and Tahoma
  etc. Not sure whether the devide is exactly along this line, but it
  stands out.

  Tried regenerating font cache (fc-cache -rv) but that didn't help.

  Operating System: Kubuntu 23.04
  KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.4
  KDE Frameworks Version: 5.104.0
  Qt Version: 5.15.8
  Kernel Version: 6.3.0 (64-bit)
  Graphics Platform: Wayland
  Processors: 8 × Intel® Core™ i7-10510U CPU @ 1.80GHz
  Memory: 31.1 GiB of RAM
  Graphics Processor: Mesa Intel® UHD Graphics
  Manufacturer: Notebook
  Product Name: N141CU
  System Version: Not Applicable

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 2017573] Re: Font hinting broken on 23.04

2023-04-24 Thread mrvanes
It's written to ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf and it certainly is
used. I test by re-launching systemsettings. If I remove the file, fonts
are rendered using the system default (anti-aliased). Saving my settings
creates this file and uses the contents (anti-alias exclude range + full
hinting) on the next launch.

** Attachment added: "fonts.conf"
   
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/2017573/+attachment/5668239/+files/fonts.conf

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  Font hinting broken on 23.04

Status in fontconfig package in Ubuntu:
  Incomplete

Bug description:
  Just upgraded my laptops to Kubuntu 23.04 Lunar Lobster and hinting
  for all non-commercial fonts seems broken. I used to have decent if
  not perfect hinting on Ubuntu and Ubuntu Mono font, but now the only
  fonts that still hint correctly are Microsoft's Verdana and Tahoma
  etc. Not sure whether the devide is exactly along this line, but it
  stands out.

  Tried regenerating font cache (fc-cache -rv) but that didn't help.

  Operating System: Kubuntu 23.04
  KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.4
  KDE Frameworks Version: 5.104.0
  Qt Version: 5.15.8
  Kernel Version: 6.3.0 (64-bit)
  Graphics Platform: Wayland
  Processors: 8 × Intel® Core™ i7-10510U CPU @ 1.80GHz
  Memory: 31.1 GiB of RAM
  Graphics Processor: Mesa Intel® UHD Graphics
  Manufacturer: Notebook
  Product Name: N141CU
  System Version: Not Applicable

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 2017573] Re: Font hinting broken on 23.04

2023-04-24 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
I had a look in a Kubuntu 23.04 install I have in a VM, and it looks
like changes via the KDE UI for managing fonts alters the file
~/.fonts.conf. If that is the way you do it, can you please attach your
~/.fonts.conf file to this bug report.

The ~/.fonts-conf file has been considered deprecated for quite a while.
I wonder if they possibly have stopped to read that file now, which
would explain your observation.

Otherwise, if ~/.fonts.conf still is a valid place for fontconfig rules,
it might be a Plasma issue...

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Status in fontconfig package in Ubuntu:
  Incomplete

Bug description:
  Just upgraded my laptops to Kubuntu 23.04 Lunar Lobster and hinting
  for all non-commercial fonts seems broken. I used to have decent if
  not perfect hinting on Ubuntu and Ubuntu Mono font, but now the only
  fonts that still hint correctly are Microsoft's Verdana and Tahoma
  etc. Not sure whether the devide is exactly along this line, but it
  stands out.

  Tried regenerating font cache (fc-cache -rv) but that didn't help.

  Operating System: Kubuntu 23.04
  KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.4
  KDE Frameworks Version: 5.104.0
  Qt Version: 5.15.8
  Kernel Version: 6.3.0 (64-bit)
  Graphics Platform: Wayland
  Processors: 8 × Intel® Core™ i7-10510U CPU @ 1.80GHz
  Memory: 31.1 GiB of RAM
  Graphics Processor: Mesa Intel® UHD Graphics
  Manufacturer: Notebook
  Product Name: N141CU
  System Version: Not Applicable

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 2017573] Re: Font hinting broken on 23.04

2023-04-24 Thread mrvanes
So, the idea is that I set anti-Aliasing to exclude 8pt to 15pt and set
hinting to full. This makes the desktop fonts render crisp and sharp,
which used to work for all fonts having decent hints, among which were
e.g. Ubuntu and Ubuntu Mono (but a lot more fonts have this). Now, none
of the fonts render correctly hinted EXCEPT the Microsoft fonts, of
which Verdana and Tahoma are the most famous examples.

So the problem is not restricted to Ubuntu and Ubuntu Mono, those are
just a examples of the fonts that I used before and that don't correctly
hint anymore, but there's many more (all except MS?) that now lack
proper hinting.

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Title:
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Status in fontconfig package in Ubuntu:
  Incomplete

Bug description:
  Just upgraded my laptops to Kubuntu 23.04 Lunar Lobster and hinting
  for all non-commercial fonts seems broken. I used to have decent if
  not perfect hinting on Ubuntu and Ubuntu Mono font, but now the only
  fonts that still hint correctly are Microsoft's Verdana and Tahoma
  etc. Not sure whether the devide is exactly along this line, but it
  stands out.

  Tried regenerating font cache (fc-cache -rv) but that didn't help.

  Operating System: Kubuntu 23.04
  KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.4
  KDE Frameworks Version: 5.104.0
  Qt Version: 5.15.8
  Kernel Version: 6.3.0 (64-bit)
  Graphics Platform: Wayland
  Processors: 8 × Intel® Core™ i7-10510U CPU @ 1.80GHz
  Memory: 31.1 GiB of RAM
  Graphics Processor: Mesa Intel® UHD Graphics
  Manufacturer: Notebook
  Product Name: N141CU
  System Version: Not Applicable

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 2017573] Re: Font hinting broken on 23.04

2023-04-24 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
Ok, thanks. You said "I use full hinting". Are you referring to some
custom font configuration?

I'm asking because I'm not aware of any general Ubuntu changes with
respect to hinting. And the file names of the Ubuntu and Ubuntu Mono
font files were changed.

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Title:
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Status in fontconfig package in Ubuntu:
  Incomplete

Bug description:
  Just upgraded my laptops to Kubuntu 23.04 Lunar Lobster and hinting
  for all non-commercial fonts seems broken. I used to have decent if
  not perfect hinting on Ubuntu and Ubuntu Mono font, but now the only
  fonts that still hint correctly are Microsoft's Verdana and Tahoma
  etc. Not sure whether the devide is exactly along this line, but it
  stands out.

  Tried regenerating font cache (fc-cache -rv) but that didn't help.

  Operating System: Kubuntu 23.04
  KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.4
  KDE Frameworks Version: 5.104.0
  Qt Version: 5.15.8
  Kernel Version: 6.3.0 (64-bit)
  Graphics Platform: Wayland
  Processors: 8 × Intel® Core™ i7-10510U CPU @ 1.80GHz
  Memory: 31.1 GiB of RAM
  Graphics Processor: Mesa Intel® UHD Graphics
  Manufacturer: Notebook
  Product Name: N141CU
  System Version: Not Applicable

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 2017573] Re: Font hinting broken on 23.04

2023-04-24 Thread mrvanes
This is about the context in de Plasma desktop. My fonts were set to
Ubuntu and Ubuntu Mono and I use full hinting where anti-aliasing is
disabled to get crisp and clear fonts. This is now broken in 23.04 and
can be worked around using Verdana.

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Status in fontconfig package in Ubuntu:
  Incomplete

Bug description:
  Just upgraded my laptops to Kubuntu 23.04 Lunar Lobster and hinting
  for all non-commercial fonts seems broken. I used to have decent if
  not perfect hinting on Ubuntu and Ubuntu Mono font, but now the only
  fonts that still hint correctly are Microsoft's Verdana and Tahoma
  etc. Not sure whether the devide is exactly along this line, but it
  stands out.

  Tried regenerating font cache (fc-cache -rv) but that didn't help.

  Operating System: Kubuntu 23.04
  KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.4
  KDE Frameworks Version: 5.104.0
  Qt Version: 5.15.8
  Kernel Version: 6.3.0 (64-bit)
  Graphics Platform: Wayland
  Processors: 8 × Intel® Core™ i7-10510U CPU @ 1.80GHz
  Memory: 31.1 GiB of RAM
  Graphics Processor: Mesa Intel® UHD Graphics
  Manufacturer: Notebook
  Product Name: N141CU
  System Version: Not Applicable

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 2017573] Re: Font hinting broken on 23.04

2023-04-24 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
Thanks for your report!

I recall a couple of fonts related changes and issues. Since you mention
the Ubuntu and Ubuntu Mono fonts, they were indeed upgraded.

But to start with it would be good if you could let us know the exact
context where you see that hinting has changed. Is it in connection with
rendering web pages, or is it about the font used in menus etc. on the
desktop?

Please clarify.

** Changed in: fontconfig (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Incomplete

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Title:
  Font hinting broken on 23.04

Status in fontconfig package in Ubuntu:
  Incomplete

Bug description:
  Just upgraded my laptops to Kubuntu 23.04 Lunar Lobster and hinting
  for all non-commercial fonts seems broken. I used to have decent if
  not perfect hinting on Ubuntu and Ubuntu Mono font, but now the only
  fonts that still hint correctly are Microsoft's Verdana and Tahoma
  etc. Not sure whether the devide is exactly along this line, but it
  stands out.

  Tried regenerating font cache (fc-cache -rv) but that didn't help.

  Operating System: Kubuntu 23.04
  KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.4
  KDE Frameworks Version: 5.104.0
  Qt Version: 5.15.8
  Kernel Version: 6.3.0 (64-bit)
  Graphics Platform: Wayland
  Processors: 8 × Intel® Core™ i7-10510U CPU @ 1.80GHz
  Memory: 31.1 GiB of RAM
  Graphics Processor: Mesa Intel® UHD Graphics
  Manufacturer: Notebook
  Product Name: N141CU
  System Version: Not Applicable

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 2017573] Re: Font hinting broken on 23.04

2023-04-24 Thread mrvanes
** Package changed: ubuntu => fontconfig (Ubuntu)

** Changed in: fontconfig (Ubuntu)
   Status: Incomplete => New

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Title:
  Font hinting broken on 23.04

Status in fontconfig package in Ubuntu:
  Incomplete

Bug description:
  Just upgraded my laptops to Kubuntu 23.04 Lunar Lobster and hinting
  for all non-commercial fonts seems broken. I used to have decent if
  not perfect hinting on Ubuntu and Ubuntu Mono font, but now the only
  fonts that still hint correctly are Microsoft's Verdana and Tahoma
  etc. Not sure whether the devide is exactly along this line, but it
  stands out.

  Tried regenerating font cache (fc-cache -rv) but that didn't help.

  Operating System: Kubuntu 23.04
  KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.4
  KDE Frameworks Version: 5.104.0
  Qt Version: 5.15.8
  Kernel Version: 6.3.0 (64-bit)
  Graphics Platform: Wayland
  Processors: 8 × Intel® Core™ i7-10510U CPU @ 1.80GHz
  Memory: 31.1 GiB of RAM
  Graphics Processor: Mesa Intel® UHD Graphics
  Manufacturer: Notebook
  Product Name: N141CU
  System Version: Not Applicable

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