[Desktop-packages] [Bug 691380] Re: Quick Search Filter should be moveable
** Changed in: thunderbird Status: Confirmed => Won't Fix -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird: Won't Fix Status in thunderbird package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in thunderbird source package in Lucid: Won't Fix Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new "smart" search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb "smart" search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28" TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 691380]
The QFB will redesigned, and a comment period will be announced at a future date in bug 1846359. Comments will gladly be accepted at that time. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird: Won't Fix Status in thunderbird package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in thunderbird source package in Lucid: Won't Fix Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new "smart" search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb "smart" search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28" TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 691380] Re: Quick Search Filter should be moveable
** Changed in: thunderbird Importance: Wishlist => Unknown -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird: Confirmed Status in thunderbird package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in thunderbird source package in Lucid: Won't Fix Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new "smart" search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb "smart" search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28" TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 691380] Re: Quick Search Filter should be moveable
lucid has seen the end of its life and is no longer receiving any updates. Marking the lucid task for this ticket as Won't Fix. ** Changed in: thunderbird (Ubuntu Lucid) Status: Triaged = Won't Fix -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird Mail and News: Confirmed Status in thunderbird package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in thunderbird source package in Lucid: Won't Fix Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new smart search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb smart search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28 TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 691380]
When can we hope for a fix for this regression? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird Mail and News: Confirmed Status in “thunderbird” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “thunderbird” source package in Lucid: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new smart search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb smart search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28 TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 691380] Re: Quick Search Filter should be moveable
** Tags added: precise -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird Mail and News: Confirmed Status in “thunderbird” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “thunderbird” source package in Lucid: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new smart search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb smart search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28 TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Definitely me neither... but this is not one of those times. I absolutely love this addon, and can't imagine Thunderbird without it. this is the case for many addons, for many people. With one difference: this addon just re-adds functionality that was available in TB 2 and was removed in TB 3. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird Mail and News: Confirmed Status in “thunderbird” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “thunderbird” source package in Lucid: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new smart search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb smart search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28 TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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(In reply to Frank Steiner from comment #156) Definitely me neither... but this is not one of those times. I absolutely love this addon, and can't imagine Thunderbird without it. this is the case for many addons, for many people. With one difference: this addon just re-adds functionality that was available in TB 2 and was removed in TB 3. Precisely... In fact, I have already approached Iago about the possibility of - *after* first simplifying things a bit and losing some of the clutter - incorporating the functionality of the 'View:...' widget too (the one that allows you to create Custom Saved Searches), which I also still must use, because of one feature: Persistent Views of folders - I can set some folders to always 'View: All' and some to 'View: Unread'... So, if he can accomplish this, then incorporating Unified Search into the core code would *simplify* things (reduce redundancy and the resultant confusion). I'll be opening another bug for this once I have a Screenshot done (of how the new widget would/could look) and a suggestion for how to incorporate the functionality in a way that makes sense. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird Mail and News: Confirmed Status in “thunderbird” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “thunderbird” source package in Lucid: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new smart search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb smart search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28 TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Hi, thanks everyone for the passionate discussion. I normally refrain from these kinds of me too-comments because they add nothing. I thought adding myself to the cc and voting for the bug had been enough of a me too but apparently it's not enough to convince Blake that Charles isn't the only one with this issue and that he indeed IS waiting for more vocal complaints. So, I hope you don't mind me weighing in here. Yes, Gloda is absolutely horrible - in sooo many ways Yes, I was considering to dump TB because of it but there's so many other battles to fight and no immediate replacement No, Charles is not the only one VERY frustrated about the process Thank you for your consideration. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird Mail and News: Confirmed Status in “thunderbird” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “thunderbird” source package in Lucid: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new smart search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb smart search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28 TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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(In reply to Charles from comment #136) (In reply to Blake Winton (:bwinton - Thunderbird UX) from comment #133) a) we are talking about bringing something back that was *removed* that a *lot* of people liked and want to see brought back, and Perhaps the problem is that I'm not talking about bringing back anything… Well, that is the point of this whole bug - I should know, I am the one who opened it. Ah, in that case, I'm not really in favour of this, since that sounds like just adding yet more search boxes to confuse our users with. (Although, with 144 comments, it's possible I'm _still_ misunderstanding the point of this bug.) Also, the fact that there are two different modes is one of the problems I have with it. Flexibility sometimes comes with a certain level of complexity, but I don't think this is all that complicated, it just takes a little experimentation and getting used to how it works. I disagree, which seems to put us at an impasse. Our user-testing has shown that people have problems with the two search bars, and trying to figure out which one to use for what kind of searches. Merging them into a single bar that sometimes does what you want and sometimes doesn't doesn't seem to me to be a good way to resolve that issue, and I think we can do better than that. For the add-on, to clear the options, Esc+Esc is a _horrible_ key combination. And what would you call having to use 'Ctrl-F' to enable the 'Find in message' filter, and then have to use 'Esc' to hide it again? At least the nonsensical *double* use of 'Ctrl-f' (depending on context) and double-esc for toggling the QFB and/or the 'Find in message' filters was finally sort-of fixed (I still hate it, but it is less painful now). That was another key combo didn't work out. (I'm also not particularly happy with the current set of key combos, but if we ever manage to merge the QFB and Gloda bars, we can just use Ctrl-K, which is better, I think.) Really, Blake, it sounds like you're looking to bash this addon just because - well, I honestly don't know why. I'm not trying to bash the add-on (and said so to Iago in email), I'm just trying to point out things that I would want to see improved/fixed before landing something like this in Thunderbird. Maybe you're offended that there are a lot of people who don't agree with the decision to *lose* the message filter searchbox rather than just add the QFB as a new *optional* way to filter messages, and that someone very capable (thanks Iago!) actually stepped up and did something about it? Well, it wasn't my decision, so I'm not particularly offended. (But I'm also not convinced that only ever adding things, and never taking things away is a path that will lead to good software.) Not being a toolbar doesn't make it more minimal. Neither does making it smaller. (For that matter, neither does removing text labels from iconic buttons.) Ok, Blake, no offense, but you simply cannot be serious. It *does* make it more 'minimal', in the sense that it takes up less *space* *and* allows the user the freedom to put the searchbox wherever they want and be able to filter messages without having another huge toolbar taking up more precious screen real estate, which is *the* *whole* *point*. I see that you and I are talking about two completely different things. I don't care how much space we take up, if we get an easier to use program. You seem to not care how easy something is to use, as long as it takes up as little space as possible. (Or, put another way, I want something that's conceptually minimal, whereas I think you want something that's physically minimal. Does that sound right?) I (and there are lots more like me) *don't* *like* the QFB, precisely because it is a *toolbar*. It was the *reason* I opened this bug, and the *reason* that Iago coded the Unified Search Addon This wasn't clear to me from the title or the comments I read. The whole point of this addon is to eliminate the need for a huge toolbar, and give us back the little filter searchbox that can be placed wherever we want like TB 3.0- had. That's fine, but that's not the point of this bug. *Yes it is*. Maybe you should go up and read the opening comment. I should know, I wrote it/opened this bug. Ah, okay. I don't really have a lot more to say on this bug, then, since I'm _far_ more interested in merging the GlodaBar and QFB… (Or maybe it is, but that's not necessarily the direction that will get a ui-r+ from me…) The point of this bug (as I see it) is to move forward with a better UI, not to bring back any specific UI from the past. Then you must have never bothered to read the opening comment. Too bad, because the loss of the movable search box was a huge blow for many, many people. Perhaps it was, but I haven't heard that many people complaining about it. (Maybe because Iago's add-on is satisfying their needs?) What really bugs me the most about
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 691380]
Hi, thanks everyone for the passionate discussion. I normally refrain from these kinds of me too-comments because they add nothing. I thought adding myself to the cc and voting for the bug had been enough of a me too but apparently it's not enough to convince Blake that Charles isn't the only one with this issue and that Blake indeed IS waiting for more vocal complaints. So, I hope you don't mind me weighing in here. Yes, Gloda is absolutely horrible - in sooo many ways Yes, I was considering to dump TB because of it but there's so many other battles to fight and no immediate replacement No, Charles is not the only one VERY frustrated about the process Thank you for your consideration. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird Mail and News: Confirmed Status in “thunderbird” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “thunderbird” source package in Lucid: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new smart search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb smart search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28 TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 691380]
Things I passionately dislike (shall I say hate?) about Gloda or whatever it's called - takes up precious screen real estate - confusing UI - ugly - destroyed something that was working fine - Ctrl+A has to be the most stupid choice possible for key combo, that's Select all everywhere else I don't use Gloda, it's not the way I search. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird Mail and News: Confirmed Status in “thunderbird” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “thunderbird” source package in Lucid: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new smart search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb smart search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28 TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 691380]
Hi every body, I will work in next days in some news widget concepts, trying to simplify current widget (that is overloaded). I want too remove the needed of two modes on the widget mantaining the global suggestions when gloda enabled and some enhancements when disabled, and remove vertical menu and some buttons wih all this. But all this are ideas only now, i need concrete some tips and implementing it for testing. Please be patient, and stay tunned ;-) Thanks -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird Mail and News: Confirmed Status in “thunderbird” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “thunderbird” source package in Lucid: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new smart search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb smart search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28 TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 691380]
Thanks very much Iago... please don't hesitate to ping me if you would like feedback on any beta builds... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird Mail and News: Confirmed Status in “thunderbird” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “thunderbird” source package in Lucid: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new smart search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb smart search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28 TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 691380]
(In reply to Wayne Mery (:wsmwk) from comment #153) please can we agree that this bug is not about gloda Yeppers... and no one has ever made a statement about forcing it on users? Well, not directly, but Blake's comment about 'merging the Quick Filter Bar and GLODA' is what prompted my question... I take it that what was meant was providing a dual action capability, similar to how the Unified Search allows you to perform both filtering, and Global Searches? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird Mail and News: Confirmed Status in “thunderbird” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “thunderbird” source package in Lucid: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new smart search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb smart search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28 TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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please can we agree that this bug is not about gloda and no one has ever made a statement about forcing it on users? dredging up gloda issues digresses. thanks. That said, please add any technical or helpful information to relevant bugs, file a new bug, or post in a newsgroup - I've gloda bug lists on the wiki page of bugzilla queries under global search/gloda/search all messages https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Bug_Queries#Function-based_Queries -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird Mail and News: Confirmed Status in “thunderbird” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “thunderbird” source package in Lucid: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new smart search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb smart search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28 TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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(In reply to Blake Winton [On vacation until Jan 9th] (:bwinton - Thunderbird UX) from comment #144) (In reply to Charles from comment #136) Our user-testing has shown that people have problems with the two search bars, and trying to figure out which one to use for what kind of searches. Merging them into a single bar that sometimes does what you want and sometimes doesn't doesn't seem to me to be a good way to resolve that issue, and I think we can do better than that. One option then would be to make it an either/or option - meaning, you can't have both, and I certainly have no problem with making the Quick Filter Toolbar the default one that is enabled, but allow the user to choice to *switch* to the Widget (movable/standalone searchbox that this extension provides), and pop-up a little warning explaining the difference between the two search options (Toolbar, or Widget) to the user when they change the option so it is clear what they are doing, and that enabling the widget would disable the Toolbar. That way there is no possibility for confusion. That was another key combo didn't work out. (I'm also not particularly happy with the current set of key combos, but if we ever manage to merge the QFB and Gloda bars, we can just use Ctrl-K, which is better, I think.) Well, since I do not use GLODA for reasons already explained (it is absolutely *horrible* when used with very large IMAP stores), I certainly hope you aren't suggesting that GLODA will be something else I'll be *forced* to use at some point in the future... I'm not trying to bash the add-on (and said so to Iago in email), I'm just trying to point out things that I would want to see improved/fixed before landing something like this in Thunderbird. Ok, and your hard work is much appreciated, even though sometimes it may not come out that way... I had a few exchanges with Iago about simplifying the Widget, so hopefully I'll be able to post back here to try the new version soon and maybe some of your concerns will be addressed. Well, it wasn't my decision, so I'm not particularly offended. (But I'm also not convinced that only ever adding things, and never taking things away is a path that will lead to good software.) Definitely me neither... but this is not one of those times. I absolutely love this addon, and can't imagine Thunderbird without it. Ok, Blake, no offense, but you simply cannot be serious. It *does* make it more 'minimal', in the sense that it takes up less *space* *and* allows the user the freedom to put the searchbox wherever they want and be able to filter messages without having another huge toolbar taking up more precious screen real estate, which is *the* *whole* *point*. I see that you and I are talking about two completely different things. I don't care how much space we take up, if we get an easier to use program. Sorry, again, no offense, but that comment just screams 'I know nothing about *good* UI design. You seem to not care how easy something is to use, as long as it takes up as little space as possible. Well, I see essentially *zero* difference in 'ease of use' between the Toolbar and the Widget, beyond a 5 minute learning curve of: I installed the extension, so where is my old searchboix? Oh, I have to manually add it to a toolbar. There it is... now, how do I use it? Oh, I simply click into the searchbox, and the filter options magically appear. How is that harder (aside from having to add it to a toolbar) than trying to figure out how to get the Toolbar to appear and disappear reliably? (Or, put another way, I want something that's conceptually minimal, whereas I think you want something that's physically minimal. Does that sound right?) Maybe, but I prefer *both*, actually... ;) I (and there are lots more like me) *don't* *like* the QFB, precisely because it is a *toolbar*. It was the *reason* I opened this bug, and the *reason* that Iago coded the Unified Search Addon This wasn't clear to me from the title or the comments I read. Read the first two sentences in my opening comment... Then you must have never bothered to read the opening comment. Too bad, because the loss of the movable search box was a huge blow for many, many people. Perhaps it was, but I haven't heard that many people complaining about it. (Maybe because Iago's add-on is satisfying their needs?) Well there was a lot of noise on mozillazine and other sites when this happened, but it was a long time ago (3.1 I believe), so sure, the noise has died down because people either found the addon, or modified their behavior, but I also distinctly recall a lot of people saying they switched email clients (it was like a 'last straw' kind of thing). I understand that not everyone likes changes we make, but I still haven't been convinced that the benefit of this would outweigh the cost. Well, in contrast, I honestly don't see the 'cost' in providing users the *option*. Change for
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(In reply to Charles from comment #145) (In reply to Blake Winton [On vacation until Jan 9th] (:bwinton - Thunderbird UX) from comment #144) I had a few exchanges with Iago about simplifying the Widget, so hopefully I'll be able to post back here to try the new version soon and maybe some of your concerns will be addressed. Well, it wasn't my decision, so I'm not particularly offended. (But I'm also not convinced that only ever adding things, and never taking things away is a path that will lead to good software.) Definitely me neither... but this is not one of those times. I absolutely love this addon, and can't imagine Thunderbird without it. this is the case for many addons, for many people. Somewhere, there has been discussion about the standards bar for acceptance of addons into core. perhaps someone could post a link so discussion can continue in that venue. Ok, Blake, no offense, but you simply cannot be serious. It *does* make it more 'minimal', in the sense that it takes up less *space* *and* allows the user the freedom to put the searchbox wherever they want and be able to filter messages without having another huge toolbar taking up more precious screen real estate, which is *the* *whole* *point*. I see that you and I are talking about two completely different things. I don't care how much space we take up, if we get an easier to use program. Sorry, again, no offense, but that comment just screams 'I know nothing about *good* UI design. I suspect you take blake too literally, as we realistically aren't talking about gobs of space. Regardless, I don't see it implying anything about knowledge, but that the goals are different. Then you must have never bothered to read the opening comment. Too bad, because the loss of the movable search box was a huge blow for many, many people. Perhaps it was, but I haven't heard that many people complaining about it. (Maybe because Iago's add-on is satisfying their needs?) Well there was a lot of noise on mozillazine and other sites when this happened, but it was a long time ago (3.1 I believe), so sure, the noise has died down because people either found the addon, or modified their behavior, but I also distinctly recall a lot of people saying they switched email clients (it was like a 'last straw' kind of thing). good or bad, change always brings these types of comments. FWIW, we see very few complaints or suggestions in getsatisfaction about global search - even though there is significant room for improvement, as the aforementioned bug lists illustrate. I understand that not everyone likes changes we make, but I still haven't been convinced that the benefit of this would outweigh the cost. Well, in contrast, I honestly don't see the 'cost' in providing users the *option*. there is *always* cost. more code always costs. ATM I am not in a position to comment further about specific merits of the addon although generally like it, even though I am using it on one of my PCS, so please don't take that as a criticism. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird Mail and News: Confirmed Status in “thunderbird” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “thunderbird” source package in Lucid: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new smart search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb smart search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28 TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Also, after my conversation with Iago, I think he is going to be removing the optional Vertical menu (that I agree was confusing, but I never used it), which will mean that last button inside the searchbox (on the right side) will be gone. One other thing that causes confusion for us here in the office is, in spite of the fact that GLODA is disabled, the Addon still allows the user to toggle into Global Search mode, which does nothing when GLODA is disabled. I think he is going to fix it so that when GLODA is disabled, that button/icon for toggling between Filter and Global Search modes will not be displayed. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird Mail and News: Confirmed Status in “thunderbird” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “thunderbird” source package in Lucid: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new smart search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb smart search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28 TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Created attachment 586178 Latest version of the Unified Search addon (0.7.1) Ok, figured I'd upload the latest version of the Addon (still not approved on AMO because of some harmless errors showing in the console that Iago is working on correcting). This one fixed a bug I was experiencing where the Filter options (in the horizontal panel) were not working. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird Mail and News: Confirmed Status in “thunderbird” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “thunderbird” source package in Lucid: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new smart search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb smart search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28 TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Surprisingly I'm pretty much liking the addon. One nit is if I filter on X in tab A and then on Y in tab B, that Y is shown in tab A when I go back to A. Even though A is still filtered on X. That said, this bug seems to have gone off the rails, starting in comment 115 - 117, and 124. Let me point out that *Blake didn't start this*, and the direction wasn't brought back in focus by anyone back then, until ~comment 129, that the addon doesn't focus on what you (Charles) want. STM the current addon focused on reunification and it's conversation should probably go in a different bug. Not that it will change the direction of the addon - which seems clear enough to me - but it may help get this bug back on topic. How quickly it progresses is a different matter. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird Mail and News: Confirmed Status in “thunderbird” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “thunderbird” source package in Lucid: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new smart search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb smart search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28 TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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(In reply to Charles from comment #142) (In reply to Wayne Mery (:wsmwk) from comment #141) Surprisingly I'm pretty much liking the addon. One nit is if I filter on X in tab A and then on Y in tab B, that Y is shown in tab A when I go back to A. Even though A is still filtered on X. Well, again, since I don't use tabs, I would never have encountered those issues... most likely Iago can fix them though if you report it to him... That said, this bug seems to have gone off the rails, starting in comment 115 - 117, and 124. Let me point out that *Blake didn't start this*, and the direction wasn't brought back in focus by anyone back then, until ~comment 129, that the addon doesn't focus on what you (Charles) want. Not sure what you mean... the addon totally fulfills this bug request. We - users - are often told that an Addon is a good way to get a feature implemented, because then the code is already written, and thus, the Unified Search Addon was born. Perhaps there is a misunderstanding. because a) I said nothing about not doing an addon, and b) your bug summary says nothing about reunification STM the current addon focused on reunification No, initially, the Addon focused precisely on fulfilling my original request, as hammered out in the mockups so artfully done by Thomas D. The 'unification' aspect (unifying the Global Search etc) was added *afterwards*... and it's conversation should probably go in a different bug. Not that it will change the direction of the addon - which seems clear enough to me - but it may help get this bug back on topic. How quickly it progresses is a different matter. Again, I don't follow. This addon *totally* fulfills my request, so please I wish you guys would stop telling me that it doesn't - I should know, I made it, and am using (and now totally dependent on), and that is why I'm now asking for the Unified Search addon to be incorporated into the core code (since that would be the last step in fulfilling this bug request). then apparently I have goofed, and am happy to say so. it would help please to change your bug title/summary so one doesn't have to read 100+ comments to understand the basics of the bug, and get summarily blasted when we make seemingly useless comments. maybe even resummarize the goal. Bear in mind, if you conflate multiple goals, the patch is much more complex, and less likely to be accepted into core - addon or no addon. big kudos to Iago and all for working to improve Tbird. W. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird Mail and News: Confirmed Status in “thunderbird” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “thunderbird” source package in Lucid: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new smart search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb smart search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28 TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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(In reply to Wayne Mery (:wsmwk) from comment #141) Surprisingly I'm pretty much liking the addon. One nit is if I filter on X in tab A and then on Y in tab B, that Y is shown in tab A when I go back to A. Even though A is still filtered on X. Well, again, since I don't use tabs, I would never have encountered those issues... most likely Iago can fix them though if you report it to him... That said, this bug seems to have gone off the rails, starting in comment 115 - 117, and 124. Let me point out that *Blake didn't start this*, and the direction wasn't brought back in focus by anyone back then, until ~comment 129, that the addon doesn't focus on what you (Charles) want. Not sure what you mean... the addon totally fulfills this bug request. We - users - are often told that an Addon is a good way to get a feature implemented, because then the code is already written, and thus, the Unified Search Addon was born. STM the current addon focused on reunification No, initially, the Addon focused precisely on fulfilling my original request, as hammered out in the mockups so artfully done by Thomas D. The 'unification' aspect (unifying the Global Search etc) was added *afterwards*... and it's conversation should probably go in a different bug. Not that it will change the direction of the addon - which seems clear enough to me - but it may help get this bug back on topic. How quickly it progresses is a different matter. Again, I don't follow. This addon *totally* fulfills my request, so please I wish you guys would stop telling me that it doesn't - I should know, I made it, and am using (and now totally dependent on), and that is why I'm now asking for the Unified Search addon to be incorporated into the core code (since that would be the last step in fulfilling this bug request). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird Mail and News: Confirmed Status in “thunderbird” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “thunderbird” source package in Lucid: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new smart search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb smart search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28 TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Created attachment 582557 thunderbird with the menubar showing after mouse-over of the window title bar As described, this shows the menubar after I mouse-over the window titlebar. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird Mail and News: Confirmed Status in “thunderbird” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “thunderbird” source package in Lucid: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new smart search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb smart search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28 TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Created attachment 582563 Firefox with tabbar showing Sorry, in my last I said you could see the web page behind the tabbar, but that one was with the tabbar hidden. This is the one with the tabbar showing in a panel, so you can see the webpage 'behind' the tabbar... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird Mail and News: Confirmed Status in “thunderbird” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “thunderbird” source package in Lucid: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new smart search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb smart search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28 TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Created attachment 582561 Firefox with tabbar hidden This is how my Firefox looks with the 'Personal Titlebar' addon installed, and *everything* placed on the menubar. Also, I use the 'Tree Style Tab' addon to move the tabbar to the left side, and have the auth- hide funcionality enabled, which uses a *panel* to show the tabbar instead of forcing the whole window to move to the right when the tabbar pops out (note that you can see the webpage through/behind the tabbar). This is absolutely *ideal* for a netbook or any small screen, but is also very pleasant on a large monitor as well. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird Mail and News: Confirmed Status in “thunderbird” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “thunderbird” source package in Lucid: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new smart search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb smart search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28 TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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(In reply to Blake Winton (:bwinton - Thunderbird UX) from comment #133) (In reply to Charles from comment #131) (In reply to Blake Winton (:bwinton - Thunderbird UX) from comment #130) (In reply to Charles from comment #129) (In reply to Blake Winton (:bwinton - Thunderbird UX) from comment #128) a) we are talking about bringing something back that was *removed* that a *lot* of people liked and want to see brought back, and Perhaps the problem is that I'm not talking about bringing back anything… Well, that is the point of this whole bug - I should know, I am the one who opened it. That picture shows that you are in Global Search mode, not Filter mode. This extension is *primarily* meant to be used for filtering, not Global Searching, that part was added later. Switch to Filter mode (click the mode toggle button, which is the Magnifying glass icon) and experiment with that for a while... Right, then there are only three buttons, instead of the one for QFB and Gloda… ? in Filter mode, there are *4* buttons Also, the fact that there are two different modes is one of the problems I have with it. Flexibility sometimes comes with a certain level of complexity, but I don't think this is all that complicated, it just takes a little experimentation and getting used to how it works. As Iago has said, apparently there are some bugs in the Global mode functionality, so maybe you can help him get them fixed? For the add-on's popup, there's no indication of what the various icons are, or which keys I would use to activate them. If you mouse-over them, you get tooltip descriptions of what they do. And if I'm blind? Then you'd be having similar problems with the QFB wouldn't you? I don't see your point. Even if I'm sighted, mousing-over and waiting for several tooltips before I finally find the icon I want is a bad UX by any measure. Well, then, since tooltips are used in lots of places in both Thunderbird and Firefox (and lots of other programs), I guess they *all* have lots of 'bad UX'. Come on, Blake... it only takes mousing over them a few times before you learn what they do and then there's no more need to mouse over them ever again, and you *know* it, so why are you being so disingenuous about this? For the add-on, to clear the options, Esc+Esc is a _horrible_ key combination. And what would you call having to use 'Ctrl-F' to enable the 'Find in message' filter, and then have to use 'Esc' to hide it again? At least the nonsensical *double* use of 'Ctrl-f' (depending on context) and double-esc for toggling the QFB and/or the 'Find in message' filters was finally sort-of fixed (I still hate it, but it is less painful now). So do like I do and just click the little x icon. That there is an alternative doesn't make Esc+Esc a good UX. So maybe you can suggest a way to improve it? Really, Blake, it sounds like you're looking to bash this addon just because - well, I honestly don't know why. Maybe you're offended that there are a lot of people who don't agree with the decision to *lose* the message filter searchbox rather than just add the QFB as a new *optional* way to filter messages, and that someone very capable (thanks Iago!) actually stepped up and did something about it? (I also have no idea what Clear Options actually does…) It clears the searchbox text and any of the options (show Unread only, show Starred only, Show only messages with Attachments, etc)... So, I mention all of these things not so that you can explain them, because I'm sure there are answers to any of them, but to demonstrate that there are a large number of things that are confusing to people who have never used the add-on before. The same can be said of *any* new feature/functionality in *any* program. It is vastly more minimal, because it isn't a toolbar, it is a little searchbox that you can put wherever you want. I put all of my icons and the Unified Search box on the Menu bar. Not being a toolbar doesn't make it more minimal. Neither does making it smaller. (For that matter, neither does removing text labels from iconic buttons.) Ok, Blake, no offense, but you simply cannot be serious. It *does* make it more 'minimal', in the sense that it takes up less *space* *and* allows the user the freedom to put the searchbox wherever they want and be able to filter messages without having another huge toolbar taking up more precious screen real estate, which is *the* *whole* *point*. Removing functionality from it (like my suggestion to remove the two modes) would make it more minimal, but you don't seem to be suggesting that. I'm actually fine with losing the 'Global' search aspects (since I never use it), but I don't see any problem with keeping it either (again, since I don't use it, I just won't use this aspect), or at least keeping the ability to launch a global search using 'Ctrl+Enter' either. Again, best of both worlds (for those who live in both). Also, you know
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 691380]
Created attachment 582556 Thunderbird with menubar hidden This is my thunderbird with the menubar hidden (using the 'Hide Menubar' addon. With this addon, the menubar will auto-hide itself after a specified interval (unless the textbox for the 'Unified Search' addon has focus), and show itself drop down) on mouseover of the window titlebar (next attachment will have the menubar showing). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird Mail and News: Confirmed Status in “thunderbird” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “thunderbird” source package in Lucid: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new smart search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb smart search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28 TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Thanks Charles for yours explanations, and Blake for the criticism, we need both to be better! I'm sorry again that I wrote my previous comment before know that new commens come in (the three last); I decide published anyway because is valid yet. Blake, if Esc+Esc (and Esc+Esc+Esc) seems you a design error, another bug must be created because of is a feature included in Thunderbird, I only replicated in my extension to match the default behavior (more explanations in my previous comment). Thanks everybody, IagoSRL -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird Mail and News: Confirmed Status in “thunderbird” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “thunderbird” source package in Lucid: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new smart search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb smart search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28 TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Hi Blake and Charles, Sorry for the delay and thank you for debate. Let me explain some tips. Unified Search extension borns like a proof concept for the Bug 526221, because some things was dicussed about what is better and what worse, but without possibilities to test it (sometimes, something can seem bad when speeking about but good or no-so-bad when testing it). The extension exists only like attachments in that bug and not published at AMO, was not intended like a production extension. But works well enought, no progress was in resolution of that bug and I decide released. Later, a quick solution for Bug 520040 (it's no smart, but works and is only one line solution), and from 0.5 version an implementation for this Bug extremely based on the attached Thomas's mockups. And the idea was the same: to be a proof concept, an extension to test different features, behaviors, to select what is best, what is bad, what can be improved. Not was intented to be exactly the final solution, I'm sorry if this was what seems. On other hand, let me say, Blake, all you pointed like possible bugs, really are, but seems happens only to you (works good for me, and seems works for Charles), I must continue testing it to discovered and solve it. But the topic is not this, the extension is not builded to be 'as is' included in the Thunderbird code, because technical reasons; can be useful for daily use by power users and useful to speek about what features and how must be included in Thunderbird, like we are doing now, and this last is really its goal. For example, Unified Search include three alternatives to unified global and filter boxes: - Give to the Thunderbird Global Search box filter capabilities (active it from the extension options). - Give to the Thunderbird Quick Filter box global search capability (active it from the extension options and disable 'hide quick filter bar' and 'hide quick filter box'; then, press Ctrl+Enter when using the standard filter box to open a global search -press only the Enter key is an available option, but disabled by default because was discussed previously and don't like to several users that use Enter to speed up the filtering, that have a timeout-). By default (without the extension), a global search can be opened from the filter box only when there are no results, with extension you can do it ever. - Create a new widget, with both capabilities: current Unified Search Widget do this, but includes several options for testing only: - Horizontal bar, vertical bar, and a button to show/hide it (and also a shortcut, press Down key when in widget box): final widget implementation must only include one of them, vertical Or horizontal, and maybe the button can be removed or changed in some way; will be simplier than now, but both options was included because was discussed previously with the Thomas's mockup, extension can be used to test both options and choice the bests (or evolve one of them); test it to decide, and not only think about it to decide, was my contribution to help in the process of choosing a solution. - Widget working 'all in one', or with two differents modes (one for only search, one for filtering), and the button and shortcut to switch mode: the 'two differents modes' behavior needs a button and shortcut to switch mode, maybe being a more cluttered widget, but 'all in one' without modes without search/filter button needs some way to change between show global search suggestions or not show it (because show global search suggestions can overlap some filtering results if both are working at same time -this behavior can be tested using the standard global search with filtering capabilities enabled and disabling the option 'autocomplete and quick filtering must be incompatible'-). 'All in one' must be thought like current 'filter mode' without the search/filter switch button (imagine it;). Another questions: - Technically, I'm using the 'Thunderbird global search widget' (gloda box) like the widget base, because of this, all their features are inherit, and then, I change something to implement filtering by synchronizing widget values with the standard quick filter box, because of this Unified Search Extension needs the Quick Filter Bar to exists to work, this must be changed in a Thunderbird implementation of Unified Widget. - 'auto-expands/contracts': previously means that auto-expand/contracts features is not implemented by me, is implemented by standard global search widget, and I don't touch it, you can enjoy this feature in the standard search without the extension! I don't know if is a bad or good feature, but is a Thunderbird feature. If don't like you, maybe a bug for this can be opened. - 'So when I just tried it, I typed a string, then switched from filter to gloda, and the string disappeared': it's a bug, the behavior must be that the string is presserved in order to allow you to see the
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 691380]
Created attachment 582081 What the Unified Search addon looks like in Filter mode with the options showing horizontally -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird Mail and News: Confirmed Status in “thunderbird” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “thunderbird” source package in Lucid: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new smart search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb smart search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28 TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Charles: There's no official procedure, but merging the quick filter and global search boxes is one of the things I'ld like to see happen. So, to move this forward, I think we can do one of two things. Either someone can add Iago's extension as an attachment, and ask me for ui- review, or someone (possibly Iago) can take the code from his extension and start turning it into a patch to Thunderbird. I don't have a preference as to which way it happens. I suspect there will be some small tweaks I'll ask for ui-wise before it lands in core either way, so it sort of depends on what Iago wants to do. Thanks, Blake. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird Mail and News: Confirmed Status in “thunderbird” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “thunderbird” source package in Lucid: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new smart search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb smart search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28 TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Created attachment 577917 Iago's Unified Search Addon (latest version, 0.6.4) Hi Blake, Here you go... and here's keeping my fingers crossed... ;) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird Mail and News: Confirmed Status in “thunderbird” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “thunderbird” source package in Lucid: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new smart search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb smart search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28 TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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(In reply to Blake Winton (:bwinton - Thunderbird UX) from comment #124) Charles: There's no official procedure, Hmmm... before I go open a bug/feature request for this, what would be the proper way to formally make such a suggestion? Since an Addon is the ideal way to add new functionality 'outside the box', there really should be a formal procedure for proposing extensions for addition in the core code, and for vetting them and giving it a thumbs up/down - but imo this should be formally adopted by Mozilla for both Thunderbird and Firefox. If you tell me a bug request is the best way, I'll go open one... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird Mail and News: Confirmed Status in “thunderbird” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “thunderbird” source package in Lucid: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new smart search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb smart search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28 TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Comment on attachment 577917 Iago's Unified Search Addon (latest version, 0.6.4) (Just asking myself for review, to put this in the queue.) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird Mail and News: Confirmed Status in “thunderbird” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “thunderbird” source package in Lucid: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new smart search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb smart search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28 TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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mycae: Iago's extension (Unified Search) has it's *own* searchbox that you have to *manually* add to one of your toolbars... Also, the latest version (0.6.3) seems to have fixed all of the minor bugs, and added the 'x' to clear the searchbox... it is now working *oerfectly*, and is, imnsho, an excellent candidate for inclusion in the core code. Would one of the devs please comment on whether or not there is a process in place for proposing extensions for inclusion in the core code? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to thunderbird in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691380 Title: Quick Search Filter should be moveable Status in Mozilla Thunderbird Mail and News: Confirmed Status in “thunderbird” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “thunderbird” source package in Lucid: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: thunderbird Today I updated lucid 3.0.4 TB to 3.1.7 from security. I never liked the new smart search feature but relied mostly on filtering on To, CC and recipient. I had put the search field for that on the menu bar so no further screen real estate was used on my netbook. 3.1.7 now introduces a UI regression in that that search field is used solely for the dumb smart search that opens a tab to waste even more screen space. To use the search that I care about I have to use the quick search bar, more lost screen space. And when I actually use it it opens another bar to filter and by then I can't even see my messages any longer. Seriously, netbooks are here to stay. What were the UI devs thinking looking at their 28 TFT display all day? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/691380/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
