Antlibs - Compress and Props in Particular

2013-10-31 Thread Stefan Bodewig
Hi all,

it looks as if we needed to d something about Antlibs.

Looking at the commit activities it is pretty clear none of them has a
developer community - some of them have an occasional single committer.

In general this doesn't mean there is a problem, we could just go on and
move them to the Attic, mark them dormant or whatever.

Compress and Props are a bit different:

* Compress I care about myself and like to create releases when Commons
  Compress moves forward.  The current vote that would add some new
  formats fails to attract a single vote.

  Is there anything I can do to get more people involved?  Should I fork
  the codebase and cut my release anywhere else (maybe bringing it back
  here if people get interested, but I doubt it)?

  I don't want people to just give a +1 because I've invested time.  If
  I need to create release outside of Apache so be it, no harm done.

* Props is useful and it seems to have users even though we've never cut
  a release.  See Bugzilla Issue 55716.

  Do we want to cut a release?  If so, I'd be happy to act as a release
  manager.  Will there people around to address issues if anything comes
  up?

Stefan

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Re: Antlibs - Compress and Props in Particular

2013-10-31 Thread Nicolas Lalevée

Le 31 oct. 2013 à 13:08, Stefan Bodewig bode...@apache.org a écrit :

 Hi all,
 
 it looks as if we needed to d something about Antlibs.
 
 Looking at the commit activities it is pretty clear none of them has a
 developer community - some of them have an occasional single committer.
 
 In general this doesn't mean there is a problem, we could just go on and
 move them to the Attic, mark them dormant or whatever.
 
 Compress and Props are a bit different:
 
 * Compress I care about myself and like to create releases when Commons
  Compress moves forward.  The current vote that would add some new
  formats fails to attract a single vote.
 
  Is there anything I can do to get more people involved?  Should I fork
  the codebase and cut my release anywhere else (maybe bringing it back
  here if people get interested, but I doubt it)?
 
  I don't want people to just give a +1 because I've invested time.  If
  I need to create release outside of Apache so be it, no harm done.

I was intending to get time to review the release tomorrow.
But even if I think that this antlib is truly helpful, I don't have any 
particular interest in helping maintain it. So don't consider me more than 
someone helping through the ASF release process. And by the way, I have no 
worry doing it, I'm glad software like this one continue to live. My free time 
slots are just quite sparse.

About continuing within Apache or not, I always have a preference on within, 
but I don't mind much. Actually the antlib that I use the most is ant-contrib, 
which is not Apache. :)

 * Props is useful and it seems to have users even though we've never cut
  a release.  See Bugzilla Issue 55716.
 
  Do we want to cut a release?  If so, I'd be happy to act as a release
  manager.  Will there people around to address issues if anything comes
  up?

I don't know much this antlib, even as a user.

Nicolas


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Re: Antlibs - Compress and Props in Particular

2013-10-31 Thread Matt Benson
On Oct 31, 2013 7:08 AM, Stefan Bodewig bode...@apache.org wrote:

 Hi all,

 it looks as if we needed to d something about Antlibs.

 Looking at the commit activities it is pretty clear none of them has a
 developer community - some of them have an occasional single committer.

 In general this doesn't mean there is a problem, we could just go on and
 move them to the Attic, mark them dormant or whatever.

 Compress and Props are a bit different:

 * Compress I care about myself and like to create releases when Commons
   Compress moves forward.  The current vote that would add some new
   formats fails to attract a single vote.

Like Nicolas, I will try to make time to review.


   Is there anything I can do to get more people involved?  Should I fork
   the codebase and cut my release anywhere else (maybe bringing it back
   here if people get interested, but I doubt it)?

   I don't want people to just give a +1 because I've invested time.  If
   I need to create release outside of Apache so be it, no harm done.

 * Props is useful and it seems to have users even though we've never cut
   a release.  See Bugzilla Issue 55716.

   Do we want to cut a release?  If so, I'd be happy to act as a release
   manager.  Will there people around to address issues if anything comes
   up?

I had intended to bring this up after the request came in. I am most
responsible for the props antlib and will support it as long as I am able
(i.e. breathing). I would also be okay to act as RM, perhaps with some
real-time guidance?

Matt


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Re: Antlibs - Compress and Props in Particular

2013-10-31 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On 2013-10-31, Nicolas Lalevée wrote:

 * Compress I care about myself and like to create releases when Commons
  Compress moves forward.  The current vote that would add some new
  formats fails to attract a single vote.

  Is there anything I can do to get more people involved?  Should I fork
  the codebase and cut my release anywhere else (maybe bringing it back
  here if people get interested, but I doubt it)?

  I don't want people to just give a +1 because I've invested time.  If
  I need to create release outside of Apache so be it, no harm done.

 I was intending to get time to review the release tomorrow.

 But even if I think that this antlib is truly helpful, I don't have
 any particular interest in helping maintain it. So don't consider me
 more than someone helping through the ASF release process. And by the
 way, I have no worry doing it, I'm glad software like this one
 continue to live. My free time slots are just quite sparse.

I'm fine with that, take your time.

 About continuing within Apache or not, I always have a preference on
 within, but I don't mind much. Actually the antlib that I use the most
 is ant-contrib, which is not Apache. :)

I'm not keen on moving the Antlib out of Apache but would consider that
route when necessary.

Stefan

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Re: Antlibs - Compress and Props in Particular

2013-10-31 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On 2013-10-31, Matt Benson wrote:

 * Props is useful and it seems to have users even though we've never cut
   a release.  See Bugzilla Issue 55716.

   Do we want to cut a release?  If so, I'd be happy to act as a release
   manager.  Will there people around to address issues if anything comes
   up?

 I had intended to bring this up after the request came in.

Great.

 I am most responsible for the props antlib and will support it as long
 as I am able (i.e. breathing). I would also be okay to act as RM,
 perhaps with some real-time guidance?

That would be good.  I'm not quite sure I can predict online time for
the rest of the week, but we can certainly try.

Stefan

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