Blake Eggleston 于 2020年7月21日周二 01:57写道：
> Characterizing alternate or conflicting points of view as assuming bad
> intentions without justification is both unproductive and unhealthy for the
> project.
>
> > On Jul 20, 2020, at 9:14 AM, Joshua McKenzie
> wrote:
> >
> > This kind of back and forth isn't productive for the project so I'm not
> > taking this discussion further. Just want to call it out here so you or
> > others aren't left waiting for a reply.
> >
> > We can agree to disagree.
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 11:59 AM Benedict Elliott Smith <
> bened...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Firstly, that is a very strong claim that in this particular case is
> >> disputed by the facts. You made a very specific claim that the delay
> was
> >> "risking our currently lined up coordination with journalists and other
> >> channels". I am not the only person to interpret this as implying
> >> coordination with journalists, contingent on a release schedule not
> agreed
> >> by the PMC. This was based on semantics only; as far as I can tell, no
> >> intentions or assumptions have entered into this debate, except on your
> >> part.
> >>
> >>> Which is the definition of not assuming positive intent.
> >>
> >> Secondly, this is not the definition of positive intent. Positive
> intent
> >> only indicates that you "mean well"
> >>
> >> Thirdly, in many recent disputes about governance, you have made a
> >> negative claim about my behaviour, or ascribed negative connotations to
> >> statements I have made; this is a very thinly veiled example, as I am
> >> clearly the object of this criticism. I think it has reached a point
> where
> >> I can perhaps legitimately claim that you are not assuming positive
> intent?
> >>
> >>> motives, incentives ... little to do with reality
> >>
> >> It feels like we should return to this earlier discussion, since you
> >> appear to feel it is incomplete? At the very least you seem to have
> taken
> >> the wrong message from my statements, and it is perhaps negatively
> >> colouring our present interactions.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 20/07/2020, 15:59, "Joshua McKenzie" wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> If you are criticised, it is often because of the action you took;
> >>
> >>Actually, in this case and many others it's because of people's
> >> unfounded
> >>assumptions about motives, incentives, and actions taken and has
> >> little to
> >>do with reality. Which is the definition of not assuming positive
> >> intent.
> >>
> >>On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 10:41 AM Benedict Elliott Smith <
> >> bened...@apache.org>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thanks Sally, really appreciate your insight.
> >>>
> >>> To respond to the community discourse around this:
> >>>
> Keep your announcement plans ... private: limit discussions to the
> >> PMC
> >>>
> >>> This is all that I was asking and expecting: if somebody is making
> >>> commitments on behalf of the community (such as that a release can be
> >>> expected on day X), this should be coordinated with the PMC. While
> >> it
> >>> seems to transpire that no such commitments were made, had they been
> >> made
> >>> without the knowledge of the PMC this would in my view be
> >> problematic.
> >>> This is not at all like development work, as has been alleged, since
> >> that
> >>> only takes effect after public agreement by the community.
> >>>
> >>> IMO, in general, public engagements should be run past the PMC as a
> >> final
> >>> pre-flight check regardless of any commitment being made, as the PMC
> >> should
> >>> have visibility into these activities and have the opportunity to
> >> influence
> >>> them.
> >>>
> There has been nothing about this internally at DS
> >>>
> >>> I would ask that you refrain from making such claims, unless you can
> >> be
> >>> certain that you would have been privy to all such internal
> >> discussions.
> >>>
> there's really no reason not to assume best intentions here
> >>>
> >>> This is a recurring taking point, that I wish we would retire except
> >> where
> >>> a clear assumption of bad faith has been made. If you are
> >> criticised, it
> >>> is often because of the action you took; any intention you had may be
> >>> irrelevant to the criticism. In this case, when you act on behalf
> >> of the
> >>> community, your intentions are insufficient: you must have the
> >> community's
> >>> authority to act.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 20/07/2020, 14:00, "Sally Khudairi" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Hello everyone --Mick pinged me about this; I wanted to respond
> >>> on-list for efficacy.
> >>>
> >>>We've had dozens of companies successfully help Apache Projects
> >> and
> >>> their communities help spread the word on their projects with their
> >> PR and
> >>> marketing teams. Here are some best practices:
> >>>
> >>>1) Timing. Ensure that the Project has announced the project
> >> milestone
> >>> first to their lists as well as announce@ before any media coverage
> >> takes
> >>> place. If
