Re: [discuss] CentOS announcement

2020-12-24 Thread Sven Vogel 
Hi Giles, hi Daan,

Thanks for the discussion Giles. It was a matter of time that since Red hat was 
bought from IBM that they go another way.

I saw the discussion about the possible successor Rocky but I think the next 
month will make it more clear where the market is leading to.

For us it’s important to support independent of CentOS the commercial 
distribution of RHEL. Red Hat is one of the largest supporter of KVM and so its 
strategic to support RHEL further in the future of CloudStack.

After some time and if it’s  more clear what the future of CentOS will be and 
the possible successor I think we should think about to change this in the 
community.

I would wait until that stage and observe the situation and then make a 
decision in the community.

Cheers and merry Christmas.

Sven



__

Sven Vogel
Lead Cloud Solution Architect

EWERK DIGITAL GmbH
Brühl 24, D-04109 Leipzig
P +49 341 42649 - 99
F +49 341 42649 - 98
s.vo...@ewerk.com
www.ewerk.com

Geschäftsführer:
Dr. Erik Wende, Hendrik Schubert, Tassilo Möschke
Registergericht: Leipzig HRB 9065

Support:
+49 341 42649 555

Zertifiziert nach:
ISO/IEC 27001:2013
DIN EN ISO 9001:2015
DIN ISO/IEC 2-1:2011

ISAE 3402 Typ II Assessed

EWERK-Blog | 
LinkedIn | 
Xing | 
Twitter | 
Facebook


Auskünfte und Angebote per Mail sind freibleibend und unverbindlich.

Disclaimer Privacy:
Der Inhalt dieser E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) ist 
vertraulich und nur für den Empfänger bestimmt. Sollten Sie nicht der 
bestimmungsgemäße Empfänger sein, ist Ihnen jegliche Offenlegung, 
Vervielfältigung, Weitergabe oder Nutzung des Inhalts untersagt. Bitte 
informieren Sie in diesem Fall unverzüglich den Absender und löschen Sie die 
E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) von Ihrem System. Vielen 
Dank.

The contents of this e-mail (including any attachments) are confidential and 
may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this 
e-mail, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of its contents is 
strictly prohibited, and you should please notify the sender immediately and 
then delete it (including any attachments) from your system. Thank you.


Von: Daan Hoogland 
Gesendet: Thursday, December 24, 2020 3:02:36 PM
An: dev ; Giles Sirett 
Betreff: Re: [discuss] CentOS announcement

thanks for starting this discussion thread @Giles Sirett
 . Personally I'd like to not "vote" on
anything. Especially not at this moment. I think a discussion is good
though. My personal (and most definitely not my business) take on this is
to go for fedora. It is unlikely it will find business traction but it does
appear to be the most stable distribution funnily enough, especially in the
redhat/rpm-verse. I hope we can witness a clear trend over the next twelve
months to make a kind of final decision by the end of next year.
#excitingtimes

On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 12:02 PM Giles Sirett 
wrote:

> You may have seen this news recently announced by Redhat and the CentOS
> project.  [1] [2]
>
>
>
>
>
> At this early stage, it looks like   CentOS Stream will not provide the
> stability that we probably expect
>
>
>
> So, what Linux distro should we be targeting for MS and  KVM agents going
> forward  ?  I guess this is a decision that we have to make as a project.
>
>
>
> CentOS 7 will receive full updates only until the year end (Q4 2020) and
> maintenance updates will continue until 30 June 2024, so I don't think we
> need to rush this decision. Also, I think that there will be a lot of
> emerging competitors to fill the void, like the recent announcement of
> Rocky. [3] gives a good summary of current choices
>
>
>
>  I guess, actually, the question is: *when* should we aim to make this
> decision ?  - the advantage of leaving it is we are able to see what others
> settle on.
>
>
>
>
> [1] Red Hat makes drastic changes to CentOS, leaves users fuming |
> TechRadar<
> https://www.techradar.com/news/red-hat-makes-drastic-changes-to-centos-leaves-users-fuming
> >
>
> [2] CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream - Blog.CentOS.org<
> https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/>
> [3] About/Product - CentOS Wiki
> [4] Where CentOS Linux users can go from here | ZDNet<
> https://www.zdnet.com/article/where-centos-linux-users-can-go-from-here/>
>
> Kind regards
> Giles
>
>
> giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
> www.shapeblue.com
> 3 London Bridge Street,  3rd floor, News Building, London  SE1 9SGUK
> @shapeblue
>
>
>
>

--
Daan

Re: [discuss] CentOS announcement

2020-12-24 Thread Daan Hoogland 
thanks for starting this discussion thread @Giles Sirett
 . Personally I'd like to not "vote" on
anything. Especially not at this moment. I think a discussion is good
though. My personal (and most definitely not my business) take on this is
to go for fedora. It is unlikely it will find business traction but it does
appear to be the most stable distribution funnily enough, especially in the
redhat/rpm-verse. I hope we can witness a clear trend over the next twelve
months to make a kind of final decision by the end of next year.
#excitingtimes

On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 12:02 PM Giles Sirett 
wrote:

> You may have seen this news recently announced by Redhat and the CentOS
> project.  [1] [2]
>
>
>
>
>
> At this early stage, it looks like   CentOS Stream will not provide the
> stability that we probably expect
>
>
>
> So, what Linux distro should we be targeting for MS and  KVM agents going
> forward  ?  I guess this is a decision that we have to make as a project.
>
>
>
> CentOS 7 will receive full updates only until the year end (Q4 2020) and
> maintenance updates will continue until 30 June 2024, so I don't think we
> need to rush this decision. Also, I think that there will be a lot of
> emerging competitors to fill the void, like the recent announcement of
> Rocky. [3] gives a good summary of current choices
>
>
>
>  I guess, actually, the question is: *when* should we aim to make this
> decision ?  - the advantage of leaving it is we are able to see what others
> settle on.
>
>
>
>
> [1] Red Hat makes drastic changes to CentOS, leaves users fuming |
> TechRadar<
> https://www.techradar.com/news/red-hat-makes-drastic-changes-to-centos-leaves-users-fuming
> >
>
> [2] CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream - Blog.CentOS.org<
> https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/>
> [3] About/Product - CentOS Wiki
> [4] Where CentOS Linux users can go from here | ZDNet<
> https://www.zdnet.com/article/where-centos-linux-users-can-go-from-here/>
>
> Kind regards
> Giles
>
>
> giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
> www.shapeblue.com
> 3 London Bridge Street,  3rd floor, News Building, London  SE1 9SGUK
> @shapeblue
>
>
>
>

-- 
Daan

[discuss] CentOS announcement

2020-12-24 Thread Giles Sirett 
You may have seen this news recently announced by Redhat and the CentOS 
project.  [1] [2]





At this early stage, it looks like   CentOS Stream will not provide the 
stability that we probably expect



So, what Linux distro should we be targeting for MS and  KVM agents going 
forward  ?  I guess this is a decision that we have to make as a project.



CentOS 7 will receive full updates only until the year end (Q4 2020) and 
maintenance updates will continue until 30 June 2024, so I don't think we need 
to rush this decision. Also, I think that there will be a lot of emerging 
competitors to fill the void, like the recent announcement of Rocky. [3] gives 
a good summary of current choices



 I guess, actually, the question is: *when* should we aim to make this decision 
?  - the advantage of leaving it is we are able to see what others settle on.




[1] Red Hat makes drastic changes to CentOS, leaves users fuming | 
TechRadar

[2] CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream - 
Blog.CentOS.org
[3] About/Product - CentOS Wiki
[4] Where CentOS Linux users can go from here | 
ZDNet

Kind regards
Giles


giles.sir...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
3 London Bridge Street,  3rd floor, News Building, London  SE1 9SGUK
@shapeblue