Re: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14)
All, Thanks for voting. Based on the voting, we have an 11/11 majority and agree that el6 support (management server, usage server, KVM host) will be removed in future CloudStack 4.14. I'll submit a PR after 4.13. For reference, the vote counts are as follows: 1 x +1 (binding) - Paul 10 x +1 - Dag, Anurag, Wei, Bobby, Erik, Sven, Andrija, Wido, Pierre-Luc, Gregor 0 x 0 - none 0 x -1 - none Regards, Rohit Yadav Software Architect, ShapeBlue https://www.shapeblue.com From: Riepl, Gregor (SWISS TXT) Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 7:56:11 PM To: us...@cloudstack.apache.org; dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14) +1 rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK @shapeblue
Re: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14)
+1 On 2019-05-21 8:25 a.m., Pierre-Luc Dion wrote: +1 On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:18 AM Wido den Hollander wrote: +1 On 5/21/19 11:40 AM, Rohit Yadav wrote: All, Thank you for your feedback and discussions. From what we've discussed so far, we've lazy consensus that nobody wants to use el6 or are limited to upgrade to el7/el8 due to potential risks. Moving forward I put forth the following for voting: - Next minor/major releases (such as 4.11.3.0, 4.13.0.0) will be last ones to support el6 packaging both for the management server and KVM host, but users are discouraged from using them - Next major release (4.13.0.0) will document in its release notes that we'll stop supporting centos6/rhel6 packaging in future versions, i.e. 4.14 and onwards - After 4.13.0.0 is released, we will remove el6 related specs, packaging scripts etc. from the codebase in the master branch [ ] +1 approve [ ] +0 no opinion [ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why) ** PMCs kindly add binding to your votes, thanks. Thanks. Regards, Rohit Yadav Software Architect, ShapeBlue https://www.shapeblue.com From: Erik Weber Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 19:32 To: dev Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14 CentOS7 was released 5 years ago, upgrading is long overdue anyway. Realistically the next CloudStack release won't be out the door for another ~4-6 months either. -- Erik On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:27 PM Ron Wheeler wrote: According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentOS CentOS 6 EOL is 2020 CentOS 7 EOL is 2024 +1 for removing support for CentOS 6. As Erik pointed out the sites running CentOS6 will have to move soon in any event and it is probably better to do it now when there is still a lot of current expertise and information available about how to do it and how to make any changes to applications. Upgrading in a project that is under your control is usually easier than one forced on you by a security issue or an operational failure. Ron On 4/24/19 3:24 AM, Erik Weber wrote: As an operations guy I can understand the want for future updates and not upgrading, but with the release plan of RHEL/CentOS I don't find it feasible. RHEL6 is 8 years old (and is still running kernel 2.6!) and isn't scheduled to be fully EOL until 2024. It is true that upgrading requires some effort (and risk) from operators, but this is work they eventually have to do anyway, so it's not a matter of /if/ they have to do it, but rather when. It is also true that current CloudStack releases should continue to work, it's also possible that someone might back port future fixes to a RHEL6 compatible fork (you're more than welcome to). I'd vote +1 to remove support for el6 packaging. rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK @shapeblue -- Ron Wheeler Artifact Software 438-345-3369 rwhee...@artifact-software.com
Re: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14)
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Re: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14)
+1 On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:18 AM Wido den Hollander wrote: > +1 > > On 5/21/19 11:40 AM, Rohit Yadav wrote: > > All, > > > > > > Thank you for your feedback and discussions. From what we've discussed > so far, we've lazy consensus that nobody wants to use el6 or are limited to > upgrade to el7/el8 due to potential risks. > > > > > > Moving forward I put forth the following for voting: > > > > > > - Next minor/major releases (such as 4.11.3.0, 4.13.0.0) will be last > ones to support el6 packaging both for the management server and KVM host, > but users are discouraged from using them > > > > - Next major release (4.13.0.0) will document in its release notes that > we'll stop supporting centos6/rhel6 packaging in future versions, i.e. 4.14 > and onwards > > > > - After 4.13.0.0 is released, we will remove el6 related specs, > packaging scripts etc. from the codebase in the master branch > > > > > > [ ] +1 approve > > [ ] +0 no opinion > > [ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why) > > > > > > ** PMCs kindly add binding to your votes, thanks. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rohit Yadav > > > > Software Architect, ShapeBlue > > > > https://www.shapeblue.com > > > > > > > > From: Erik Weber > > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 19:32 > > To: dev > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14 > > > > CentOS7 was released 5 years ago, upgrading is long overdue anyway. > > Realistically the next CloudStack release won't be out the door for > > another ~4-6 months either. > > > > -- > > Erik > > > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:27 PM Ron Wheeler > > wrote: > >> > >> According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentOS > >> > >> CentOS 6 EOL is 2020 > >> CentOS 7 EOL is 2024 > >> > >> > >> +1 for removing support for CentOS 6. > >> > >> As Erik pointed out the sites running CentOS6 will have to move soon in > >> any event and it is probably better to do it now when there is still a > >> lot of current expertise and information available about how to do it > >> and how to make any changes to applications. > >> > >> Upgrading in a project that is under your control is usually easier than > >> one forced on you by a security issue or an operational failure. > >> > >> Ron > >> > >> On 4/24/19 3:24 AM, Erik Weber wrote: > >>> As an operations guy I can understand the want for future updates and > >>> not upgrading, but with the release plan of RHEL/CentOS I don't find > >>> it feasible. > >>> > >>> RHEL6 is 8 years old (and is still running kernel 2.6!) and isn't > >>> scheduled to be fully EOL until 2024. > >>> > >>> It is true that upgrading requires some effort (and risk) from > >>> operators, but this is work they eventually have to do anyway, so it's > >>> not a matter of /if/ they have to do it, but rather when. > >>> > >>> It is also true that current CloudStack releases should continue to > >>> work, it's also possible that someone might back port future fixes to > >>> a RHEL6 compatible fork (you're more than welcome to). > >>> > >>> I'd vote +1 to remove support for el6 packaging. > >>> > > > > rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com > > www.shapeblue.com > > Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK > > @shapeblue > > > > > > > > >
Re: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14)
+1 On 5/21/19 11:40 AM, Rohit Yadav wrote: > All, > > > Thank you for your feedback and discussions. From what we've discussed so > far, we've lazy consensus that nobody wants to use el6 or are limited to > upgrade to el7/el8 due to potential risks. > > > Moving forward I put forth the following for voting: > > > - Next minor/major releases (such as 4.11.3.0, 4.13.0.0) will be last ones to > support el6 packaging both for the management server and KVM host, but users > are discouraged from using them > > - Next major release (4.13.0.0) will document in its release notes that we'll > stop supporting centos6/rhel6 packaging in future versions, i.e. 4.14 and > onwards > > - After 4.13.0.0 is released, we will remove el6 related specs, packaging > scripts etc. from the codebase in the master branch > > > [ ] +1 approve > [ ] +0 no opinion > [ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why) > > > ** PMCs kindly add binding to your votes, thanks. > > > Thanks. > > > > Regards, > > Rohit Yadav > > Software Architect, ShapeBlue > > https://www.shapeblue.com > > > > From: Erik Weber > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 19:32 > To: dev > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14 > > CentOS7 was released 5 years ago, upgrading is long overdue anyway. > Realistically the next CloudStack release won't be out the door for > another ~4-6 months either. > > -- > Erik > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:27 PM Ron Wheeler > wrote: >> >> According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentOS >> >> CentOS 6 EOL is 2020 >> CentOS 7 EOL is 2024 >> >> >> +1 for removing support for CentOS 6. >> >> As Erik pointed out the sites running CentOS6 will have to move soon in >> any event and it is probably better to do it now when there is still a >> lot of current expertise and information available about how to do it >> and how to make any changes to applications. >> >> Upgrading in a project that is under your control is usually easier than >> one forced on you by a security issue or an operational failure. >> >> Ron >> >> On 4/24/19 3:24 AM, Erik Weber wrote: >>> As an operations guy I can understand the want for future updates and >>> not upgrading, but with the release plan of RHEL/CentOS I don't find >>> it feasible. >>> >>> RHEL6 is 8 years old (and is still running kernel 2.6!) and isn't >>> scheduled to be fully EOL until 2024. >>> >>> It is true that upgrading requires some effort (and risk) from >>> operators, but this is work they eventually have to do anyway, so it's >>> not a matter of /if/ they have to do it, but rather when. >>> >>> It is also true that current CloudStack releases should continue to >>> work, it's also possible that someone might back port future fixes to >>> a RHEL6 compatible fork (you're more than welcome to). >>> >>> I'd vote +1 to remove support for el6 packaging. >>> > > rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com > www.shapeblue.com > Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK > @shapeblue > > > >
Re: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14)
+1 On Tue, May 21, 2019, 13:43 Sven Vogel wrote: > +1 > > Von meinem iPhone gesendet > > > __ > > Sven Vogel > Teamlead Platform > > EWERK RZ GmbH > Brühl 24, D-04109 Leipzig > P +49 341 42649 - 11 > F +49 341 42649 - 18 > s.vo...@ewerk.com > www.ewerk.com > > Geschäftsführer: > Dr. Erik Wende, Hendrik Schubert, Frank Richter, Gerhard Hoyer > Registergericht: Leipzig HRB 17023 > > Zertifiziert nach: > ISO/IEC 27001:2013 > DIN EN ISO 9001:2015 > DIN ISO/IEC 2-1:2011 > > EWERK-Blog | LinkedIn | Xing | Twitter | Facebook > > Auskünfte und Angebote per Mail sind freibleibend und unverbindlich. > > Disclaimer Privacy: > Der Inhalt dieser E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) ist > vertraulich und nur für den Empfänger bestimmt. Sollten Sie nicht der > bestimmungsgemäße Empfänger sein, ist Ihnen jegliche Offenlegung, > Vervielfältigung, Weitergabe oder Nutzung des Inhalts untersagt. Bitte > informieren Sie in diesem Fall unverzüglich den Absender und löschen Sie > die E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) von Ihrem System. > Vielen Dank. > > The contents of this e-mail (including any attachments) are confidential > and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of > this e-mail, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of its contents > is strictly prohibited, and you should please notify the sender immediately > and then delete it (including any attachments) from your system. Thank you. > > Am 21.05.2019 um 12:44 schrieb Boris Stoyanov < > boris.stoya...@shapeblue.com>: > > > > +1 > > > > —Bobby > > > > > > boris.stoya...@shapeblue.com > > www.shapeblue.com > > Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK > > @shapeblue > > > > > > > >> On 21 May 2019, at 13:31, Wei ZHOU wrote: > >> > >> +1 > >> > >> -Wei > >> > >> Rohit Yadav 于2019年5月21日周二 上午11:40写道: > >> > >>> All, > >>> > >>> > >>> Thank you for your feedback and discussions. From what we've discussed > so > >>> far, we've lazy consensus that nobody wants to use el6 or are limited > to > >>> upgrade to el7/el8 due to potential risks. > >>> > >>> > >>> Moving forward I put forth the following for voting: > >>> > >>> > >>> - Next minor/major releases (such as 4.11.3.0, 4.13.0.0) will be last > ones > >>> to support el6 packaging both for the management server and KVM host, > but > >>> users are discouraged from using them > >>> > >>> - Next major release (4.13.0.0) will document in its release notes that > >>> we'll stop supporting centos6/rhel6 packaging in future versions, i.e. > 4.14 > >>> and onwards > >>> > >>> - After 4.13.0.0 is released, we will remove el6 related specs, > packaging > >>> scripts etc. from the codebase in the master branch > >>> > >>> > >>> [ ] +1 approve > >>> [ ] +0 no opinion > >>> [ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why) > >>> > >>> > >>> ** PMCs kindly add binding to your votes, thanks. > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Rohit Yadav > >>> > >>> Software Architect, ShapeBlue > >>> > >>> https://www.shapeblue.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> From: Erik Weber > >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 19:32 > >>> To: dev > >>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14 > >>> > >>> CentOS7 was released 5 years ago, upgrading is long overdue anyway. > >>> Realistically the next CloudStack release won't be out the door for > >>> another ~4-6 months either. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Erik > >>> > >>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:27 PM Ron Wheeler > >>> wrote: > > According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentOS > > CentOS 6 EOL is 2020 > CentOS 7 EOL is 2024 > > > +1 for removing support for CentOS 6. > > As Erik pointed out the sites running CentOS6 will have to move soon > in > any event and it is probably better to do it now when there is still a > lot of current expertise and information available about how to do it > and how to make any changes to applications. > > Upgrading in a project that is under your control is usually easier > than > one forced on you by a security issue or an operational failure. > > Ron > > > On 4/24/19 3:24 AM, Erik Weber wrote: > > As an operations guy I can understand the want for future updates and > > not upgrading, but with the release plan of RHEL/CentOS I don't find > > it feasible. > > > > RHEL6 is 8 years old (and is still running kernel 2.6!) and isn't > > scheduled to be fully EOL until 2024. > > > > It is true that upgrading requires some effort (and risk) from > > operators, but this is work they eventually have to do anyway, so > it's > > not a matter of /if/ they have to do it, but rather when. > > > > It is also true that current CloudStack releases should continue to > > work, it's also possible that someone might back port future fixes to > > a RHEL6 compatible fork (you're more than welcome to).
Re: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14)
+1 Von meinem iPhone gesendet __ Sven Vogel Teamlead Platform EWERK RZ GmbH Brühl 24, D-04109 Leipzig P +49 341 42649 - 11 F +49 341 42649 - 18 s.vo...@ewerk.com www.ewerk.com Geschäftsführer: Dr. Erik Wende, Hendrik Schubert, Frank Richter, Gerhard Hoyer Registergericht: Leipzig HRB 17023 Zertifiziert nach: ISO/IEC 27001:2013 DIN EN ISO 9001:2015 DIN ISO/IEC 2-1:2011 EWERK-Blog | LinkedIn | Xing | Twitter | Facebook Auskünfte und Angebote per Mail sind freibleibend und unverbindlich. Disclaimer Privacy: Der Inhalt dieser E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) ist vertraulich und nur für den Empfänger bestimmt. Sollten Sie nicht der bestimmungsgemäße Empfänger sein, ist Ihnen jegliche Offenlegung, Vervielfältigung, Weitergabe oder Nutzung des Inhalts untersagt. Bitte informieren Sie in diesem Fall unverzüglich den Absender und löschen Sie die E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) von Ihrem System. Vielen Dank. The contents of this e-mail (including any attachments) are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of its contents is strictly prohibited, and you should please notify the sender immediately and then delete it (including any attachments) from your system. Thank you. > Am 21.05.2019 um 12:44 schrieb Boris Stoyanov : > > +1 > > —Bobby > > > boris.stoya...@shapeblue.com > www.shapeblue.com > Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK > @shapeblue > > > >> On 21 May 2019, at 13:31, Wei ZHOU wrote: >> >> +1 >> >> -Wei >> >> Rohit Yadav 于2019年5月21日周二 上午11:40写道: >> >>> All, >>> >>> >>> Thank you for your feedback and discussions. From what we've discussed so >>> far, we've lazy consensus that nobody wants to use el6 or are limited to >>> upgrade to el7/el8 due to potential risks. >>> >>> >>> Moving forward I put forth the following for voting: >>> >>> >>> - Next minor/major releases (such as 4.11.3.0, 4.13.0.0) will be last ones >>> to support el6 packaging both for the management server and KVM host, but >>> users are discouraged from using them >>> >>> - Next major release (4.13.0.0) will document in its release notes that >>> we'll stop supporting centos6/rhel6 packaging in future versions, i.e. 4.14 >>> and onwards >>> >>> - After 4.13.0.0 is released, we will remove el6 related specs, packaging >>> scripts etc. from the codebase in the master branch >>> >>> >>> [ ] +1 approve >>> [ ] +0 no opinion >>> [ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why) >>> >>> >>> ** PMCs kindly add binding to your votes, thanks. >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Rohit Yadav >>> >>> Software Architect, ShapeBlue >>> >>> https://www.shapeblue.com >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Erik Weber >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 19:32 >>> To: dev >>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14 >>> >>> CentOS7 was released 5 years ago, upgrading is long overdue anyway. >>> Realistically the next CloudStack release won't be out the door for >>> another ~4-6 months either. >>> >>> -- >>> Erik >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:27 PM Ron Wheeler >>> wrote: According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentOS CentOS 6 EOL is 2020 CentOS 7 EOL is 2024 +1 for removing support for CentOS 6. As Erik pointed out the sites running CentOS6 will have to move soon in any event and it is probably better to do it now when there is still a lot of current expertise and information available about how to do it and how to make any changes to applications. Upgrading in a project that is under your control is usually easier than one forced on you by a security issue or an operational failure. Ron > On 4/24/19 3:24 AM, Erik Weber wrote: > As an operations guy I can understand the want for future updates and > not upgrading, but with the release plan of RHEL/CentOS I don't find > it feasible. > > RHEL6 is 8 years old (and is still running kernel 2.6!) and isn't > scheduled to be fully EOL until 2024. > > It is true that upgrading requires some effort (and risk) from > operators, but this is work they eventually have to do anyway, so it's > not a matter of /if/ they have to do it, but rather when. > > It is also true that current CloudStack releases should continue to > work, it's also possible that someone might back port future fixes to > a RHEL6 compatible fork (you're more than welcome to). > > I'd vote +1 to remove support for el6 packaging. > >>> >>> rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com >>> www.shapeblue.com >>> Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK >>> @shapeblue >>> >>> >>> >>> >
Re: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14)
+1 —Bobby boris.stoya...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK @shapeblue > On 21 May 2019, at 13:31, Wei ZHOU wrote: > > +1 > > -Wei > > Rohit Yadav 于2019年5月21日周二 上午11:40写道: > >> All, >> >> >> Thank you for your feedback and discussions. From what we've discussed so >> far, we've lazy consensus that nobody wants to use el6 or are limited to >> upgrade to el7/el8 due to potential risks. >> >> >> Moving forward I put forth the following for voting: >> >> >> - Next minor/major releases (such as 4.11.3.0, 4.13.0.0) will be last ones >> to support el6 packaging both for the management server and KVM host, but >> users are discouraged from using them >> >> - Next major release (4.13.0.0) will document in its release notes that >> we'll stop supporting centos6/rhel6 packaging in future versions, i.e. 4.14 >> and onwards >> >> - After 4.13.0.0 is released, we will remove el6 related specs, packaging >> scripts etc. from the codebase in the master branch >> >> >> [ ] +1 approve >> [ ] +0 no opinion >> [ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why) >> >> >> ** PMCs kindly add binding to your votes, thanks. >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Rohit Yadav >> >> Software Architect, ShapeBlue >> >> https://www.shapeblue.com >> >> >> >> From: Erik Weber >> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 19:32 >> To: dev >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14 >> >> CentOS7 was released 5 years ago, upgrading is long overdue anyway. >> Realistically the next CloudStack release won't be out the door for >> another ~4-6 months either. >> >> -- >> Erik >> >> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:27 PM Ron Wheeler >> wrote: >>> >>> According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentOS >>> >>> CentOS 6 EOL is 2020 >>> CentOS 7 EOL is 2024 >>> >>> >>> +1 for removing support for CentOS 6. >>> >>> As Erik pointed out the sites running CentOS6 will have to move soon in >>> any event and it is probably better to do it now when there is still a >>> lot of current expertise and information available about how to do it >>> and how to make any changes to applications. >>> >>> Upgrading in a project that is under your control is usually easier than >>> one forced on you by a security issue or an operational failure. >>> >>> Ron >>> >>> On 4/24/19 3:24 AM, Erik Weber wrote: As an operations guy I can understand the want for future updates and not upgrading, but with the release plan of RHEL/CentOS I don't find it feasible. RHEL6 is 8 years old (and is still running kernel 2.6!) and isn't scheduled to be fully EOL until 2024. It is true that upgrading requires some effort (and risk) from operators, but this is work they eventually have to do anyway, so it's not a matter of /if/ they have to do it, but rather when. It is also true that current CloudStack releases should continue to work, it's also possible that someone might back port future fixes to a RHEL6 compatible fork (you're more than welcome to). I'd vote +1 to remove support for el6 packaging. >> >> rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com >> www.shapeblue.com >> Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK >> @shapeblue >> >> >> >>
Re: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14)
+1 -Wei Rohit Yadav 于2019年5月21日周二 上午11:40写道: > All, > > > Thank you for your feedback and discussions. From what we've discussed so > far, we've lazy consensus that nobody wants to use el6 or are limited to > upgrade to el7/el8 due to potential risks. > > > Moving forward I put forth the following for voting: > > > - Next minor/major releases (such as 4.11.3.0, 4.13.0.0) will be last ones > to support el6 packaging both for the management server and KVM host, but > users are discouraged from using them > > - Next major release (4.13.0.0) will document in its release notes that > we'll stop supporting centos6/rhel6 packaging in future versions, i.e. 4.14 > and onwards > > - After 4.13.0.0 is released, we will remove el6 related specs, packaging > scripts etc. from the codebase in the master branch > > > [ ] +1 approve > [ ] +0 no opinion > [ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why) > > > ** PMCs kindly add binding to your votes, thanks. > > > Thanks. > > > > Regards, > > Rohit Yadav > > Software Architect, ShapeBlue > > https://www.shapeblue.com > > > > From: Erik Weber > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 19:32 > To: dev > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14 > > CentOS7 was released 5 years ago, upgrading is long overdue anyway. > Realistically the next CloudStack release won't be out the door for > another ~4-6 months either. > > -- > Erik > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:27 PM Ron Wheeler > wrote: > > > > According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentOS > > > > CentOS 6 EOL is 2020 > > CentOS 7 EOL is 2024 > > > > > > +1 for removing support for CentOS 6. > > > > As Erik pointed out the sites running CentOS6 will have to move soon in > > any event and it is probably better to do it now when there is still a > > lot of current expertise and information available about how to do it > > and how to make any changes to applications. > > > > Upgrading in a project that is under your control is usually easier than > > one forced on you by a security issue or an operational failure. > > > > Ron > > > > On 4/24/19 3:24 AM, Erik Weber wrote: > > > As an operations guy I can understand the want for future updates and > > > not upgrading, but with the release plan of RHEL/CentOS I don't find > > > it feasible. > > > > > > RHEL6 is 8 years old (and is still running kernel 2.6!) and isn't > > > scheduled to be fully EOL until 2024. > > > > > > It is true that upgrading requires some effort (and risk) from > > > operators, but this is work they eventually have to do anyway, so it's > > > not a matter of /if/ they have to do it, but rather when. > > > > > > It is also true that current CloudStack releases should continue to > > > work, it's also possible that someone might back port future fixes to > > > a RHEL6 compatible fork (you're more than welcome to). > > > > > > I'd vote +1 to remove support for el6 packaging. > > > > > rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com > www.shapeblue.com > Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK > @shapeblue > > > >
RE: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14)
+1 (Binding) paul.an...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK @shapeblue -Original Message- From: Anurag Awasthi Sent: 21 May 2019 10:55 To: us...@cloudstack.apache.org; dev Subject: Re: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14) +1 From: Dag Sonstebo Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 3:22 PM To: us...@cloudstack.apache.org; dev Subject: Re: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14) +1 Regards, Dag Sonstebo Cloud Architect ShapeBlue On 21/05/2019, 10:40, "Rohit Yadav" wrote: All, Thank you for your feedback and discussions. From what we've discussed so far, we've lazy consensus that nobody wants to use el6 or are limited to upgrade to el7/el8 due to potential risks. Moving forward I put forth the following for voting: - Next minor/major releases (such as 4.11.3.0, 4.13.0.0) will be last ones to support el6 packaging both for the management server and KVM host, but users are discouraged from using them - Next major release (4.13.0.0) will document in its release notes that we'll stop supporting centos6/rhel6 packaging in future versions, i.e. 4.14 and onwards - After 4.13.0.0 is released, we will remove el6 related specs, packaging scripts etc. from the codebase in the master branch [ ] +1 approve [ ] +0 no opinion [ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why) ** PMCs kindly add binding to your votes, thanks. Thanks. Regards, Rohit Yadav Software Architect, ShapeBlue https://www.shapeblue.com From: Erik Weber Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 19:32 To: dev Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14 CentOS7 was released 5 years ago, upgrading is long overdue anyway. Realistically the next CloudStack release won't be out the door for another ~4-6 months either. -- Erik On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:27 PM Ron Wheeler wrote: > > According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentOS > > CentOS 6 EOL is 2020 > CentOS 7 EOL is 2024 > > > +1 for removing support for CentOS 6. > > As Erik pointed out the sites running CentOS6 will have to move soon in > any event and it is probably better to do it now when there is still a > lot of current expertise and information available about how to do it > and how to make any changes to applications. > > Upgrading in a project that is under your control is usually easier than > one forced on you by a security issue or an operational failure. > > Ron > > On 4/24/19 3:24 AM, Erik Weber wrote: > > As an operations guy I can understand the want for future updates and > > not upgrading, but with the release plan of RHEL/CentOS I don't find > > it feasible. > > > > RHEL6 is 8 years old (and is still running kernel 2.6!) and isn't > > scheduled to be fully EOL until 2024. > > > > It is true that upgrading requires some effort (and risk) from > > operators, but this is work they eventually have to do anyway, so it's > > not a matter of /if/ they have to do it, but rather when. > > > > It is also true that current CloudStack releases should continue to > > work, it's also possible that someone might back port future fixes to > > a RHEL6 compatible fork (you're more than welcome to). > > > > I'd vote +1 to remove support for el6 packaging. > > rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com> Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK @shapeblue dag.sonst...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com> Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK @shapeblue anurag.awas...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK @shapeblue
Re: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14)
+1 From: Dag Sonstebo Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 3:22 PM To: us...@cloudstack.apache.org; dev Subject: Re: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14) +1 Regards, Dag Sonstebo Cloud Architect ShapeBlue On 21/05/2019, 10:40, "Rohit Yadav" wrote: All, Thank you for your feedback and discussions. From what we've discussed so far, we've lazy consensus that nobody wants to use el6 or are limited to upgrade to el7/el8 due to potential risks. Moving forward I put forth the following for voting: - Next minor/major releases (such as 4.11.3.0, 4.13.0.0) will be last ones to support el6 packaging both for the management server and KVM host, but users are discouraged from using them - Next major release (4.13.0.0) will document in its release notes that we'll stop supporting centos6/rhel6 packaging in future versions, i.e. 4.14 and onwards - After 4.13.0.0 is released, we will remove el6 related specs, packaging scripts etc. from the codebase in the master branch [ ] +1 approve [ ] +0 no opinion [ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why) ** PMCs kindly add binding to your votes, thanks. Thanks. Regards, Rohit Yadav Software Architect, ShapeBlue https://www.shapeblue.com From: Erik Weber Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 19:32 To: dev Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14 CentOS7 was released 5 years ago, upgrading is long overdue anyway. Realistically the next CloudStack release won't be out the door for another ~4-6 months either. -- Erik On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:27 PM Ron Wheeler wrote: > > According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentOS > > CentOS 6 EOL is 2020 > CentOS 7 EOL is 2024 > > > +1 for removing support for CentOS 6. > > As Erik pointed out the sites running CentOS6 will have to move soon in > any event and it is probably better to do it now when there is still a > lot of current expertise and information available about how to do it > and how to make any changes to applications. > > Upgrading in a project that is under your control is usually easier than > one forced on you by a security issue or an operational failure. > > Ron > > On 4/24/19 3:24 AM, Erik Weber wrote: > > As an operations guy I can understand the want for future updates and > > not upgrading, but with the release plan of RHEL/CentOS I don't find > > it feasible. > > > > RHEL6 is 8 years old (and is still running kernel 2.6!) and isn't > > scheduled to be fully EOL until 2024. > > > > It is true that upgrading requires some effort (and risk) from > > operators, but this is work they eventually have to do anyway, so it's > > not a matter of /if/ they have to do it, but rather when. > > > > It is also true that current CloudStack releases should continue to > > work, it's also possible that someone might back port future fixes to > > a RHEL6 compatible fork (you're more than welcome to). > > > > I'd vote +1 to remove support for el6 packaging. > > rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com> Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK @shapeblue dag.sonst...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com> Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK @shapeblue anurag.awas...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK @shapeblue
Re: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14)
+1 Regards, Dag Sonstebo Cloud Architect ShapeBlue On 21/05/2019, 10:40, "Rohit Yadav" wrote: All, Thank you for your feedback and discussions. From what we've discussed so far, we've lazy consensus that nobody wants to use el6 or are limited to upgrade to el7/el8 due to potential risks. Moving forward I put forth the following for voting: - Next minor/major releases (such as 4.11.3.0, 4.13.0.0) will be last ones to support el6 packaging both for the management server and KVM host, but users are discouraged from using them - Next major release (4.13.0.0) will document in its release notes that we'll stop supporting centos6/rhel6 packaging in future versions, i.e. 4.14 and onwards - After 4.13.0.0 is released, we will remove el6 related specs, packaging scripts etc. from the codebase in the master branch [ ] +1 approve [ ] +0 no opinion [ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why) ** PMCs kindly add binding to your votes, thanks. Thanks. Regards, Rohit Yadav Software Architect, ShapeBlue https://www.shapeblue.com From: Erik Weber Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 19:32 To: dev Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14 CentOS7 was released 5 years ago, upgrading is long overdue anyway. Realistically the next CloudStack release won't be out the door for another ~4-6 months either. -- Erik On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:27 PM Ron Wheeler wrote: > > According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentOS > > CentOS 6 EOL is 2020 > CentOS 7 EOL is 2024 > > > +1 for removing support for CentOS 6. > > As Erik pointed out the sites running CentOS6 will have to move soon in > any event and it is probably better to do it now when there is still a > lot of current expertise and information available about how to do it > and how to make any changes to applications. > > Upgrading in a project that is under your control is usually easier than > one forced on you by a security issue or an operational failure. > > Ron > > On 4/24/19 3:24 AM, Erik Weber wrote: > > As an operations guy I can understand the want for future updates and > > not upgrading, but with the release plan of RHEL/CentOS I don't find > > it feasible. > > > > RHEL6 is 8 years old (and is still running kernel 2.6!) and isn't > > scheduled to be fully EOL until 2024. > > > > It is true that upgrading requires some effort (and risk) from > > operators, but this is work they eventually have to do anyway, so it's > > not a matter of /if/ they have to do it, but rather when. > > > > It is also true that current CloudStack releases should continue to > > work, it's also possible that someone might back port future fixes to > > a RHEL6 compatible fork (you're more than welcome to). > > > > I'd vote +1 to remove support for el6 packaging. > > rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK @shapeblue dag.sonst...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK @shapeblue
[VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14)
All, Thank you for your feedback and discussions. From what we've discussed so far, we've lazy consensus that nobody wants to use el6 or are limited to upgrade to el7/el8 due to potential risks. Moving forward I put forth the following for voting: - Next minor/major releases (such as 4.11.3.0, 4.13.0.0) will be last ones to support el6 packaging both for the management server and KVM host, but users are discouraged from using them - Next major release (4.13.0.0) will document in its release notes that we'll stop supporting centos6/rhel6 packaging in future versions, i.e. 4.14 and onwards - After 4.13.0.0 is released, we will remove el6 related specs, packaging scripts etc. from the codebase in the master branch [ ] +1 approve [ ] +0 no opinion [ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why) ** PMCs kindly add binding to your votes, thanks. Thanks. Regards, Rohit Yadav Software Architect, ShapeBlue https://www.shapeblue.com From: Erik Weber Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 19:32 To: dev Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14 CentOS7 was released 5 years ago, upgrading is long overdue anyway. Realistically the next CloudStack release won't be out the door for another ~4-6 months either. -- Erik On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:27 PM Ron Wheeler wrote: > > According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentOS > > CentOS 6 EOL is 2020 > CentOS 7 EOL is 2024 > > > +1 for removing support for CentOS 6. > > As Erik pointed out the sites running CentOS6 will have to move soon in > any event and it is probably better to do it now when there is still a > lot of current expertise and information available about how to do it > and how to make any changes to applications. > > Upgrading in a project that is under your control is usually easier than > one forced on you by a security issue or an operational failure. > > Ron > > On 4/24/19 3:24 AM, Erik Weber wrote: > > As an operations guy I can understand the want for future updates and > > not upgrading, but with the release plan of RHEL/CentOS I don't find > > it feasible. > > > > RHEL6 is 8 years old (and is still running kernel 2.6!) and isn't > > scheduled to be fully EOL until 2024. > > > > It is true that upgrading requires some effort (and risk) from > > operators, but this is work they eventually have to do anyway, so it's > > not a matter of /if/ they have to do it, but rather when. > > > > It is also true that current CloudStack releases should continue to > > work, it's also possible that someone might back port future fixes to > > a RHEL6 compatible fork (you're more than welcome to). > > > > I'd vote +1 to remove support for el6 packaging. > > rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK @shapeblue