Re: [VOTE] graduate [graph] as a proper component
On 12/18/11 1:12 PM, Simone Tripodi wrote: Hi all, Since I proposed[1] to resurrect commons-graph from dormant to sandbox, there's been not only my personal activity, but we have recorded a good number of discussions on the ML and received contributions on JIRA[2], involving not only PMC such as James but also from users, such as Claudio Squarcella, Matthew Pococ and Marco Speranza. I think we have now, including users that took part with the unbinding vote in the proposal, a good number of people interested in this commons component and see it released, that's why today I'm calling for a vote to accept it in the propers. So please cast your vote! [ ] +1 Accept [graph] as a proper component [ ] +/- 0 uhm... [ ] -1 Don't accept it - and please explain why Open will stay open for 72h and closes on Wed 21th, 8:15 PM CET. -1 unless I hear from other ASF committers intending to work on this component. I will happily change this to +1 if any of the people who have voted +1 assert they intend to commit or if any other ASF committer asserts that intention. We have too many one man shows and walking dead in Commons proper now to make more. Phil Many thanks in advance, all the best! -Simo [1] http://markmail.org/message/mlvqiqhqm2nqhofr [2] SANDBOX-334 SANDBOX-336 SANDBOX-338 SANDBOX-332 SANDBOX-333 SANDBOX-335 SANDBOX-337 SANDBOX-344 SANDBOX-345 http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] graduate [graph] as a proper component
Hi Phil, sorry but I think I lost you. Maybe actual Commons committers are interested on see [graph] released but don't have spare time to commit on it - OTOH, there are non ASF committers (researchers that work on the graph field) interested on contributing, so we could build the component micro-community with them. But being the component on sandbox, I'm not sure you would be available on accepting/voting new committers that contribute on a sandbox component. So, I understand your concern that's only me behing [graph] but if we are waiting for other ASF committers take part to the component, I'm not sure we will ever have the chance to promote it from the sandbox. Moreover the proposed component has a good svn activity[1], it is not just an abandoned one that I am trying to resurrect. Anyway, thanks for the feedbacks! -Simo [1] http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/ASF/search?path=%2Fcommons%2Fsandbox%2Fgraph http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/18/11 1:12 PM, Simone Tripodi wrote: Hi all, Since I proposed[1] to resurrect commons-graph from dormant to sandbox, there's been not only my personal activity, but we have recorded a good number of discussions on the ML and received contributions on JIRA[2], involving not only PMC such as James but also from users, such as Claudio Squarcella, Matthew Pococ and Marco Speranza. I think we have now, including users that took part with the unbinding vote in the proposal, a good number of people interested in this commons component and see it released, that's why today I'm calling for a vote to accept it in the propers. So please cast your vote! [ ] +1 Accept [graph] as a proper component [ ] +/- 0 uhm... [ ] -1 Don't accept it - and please explain why Open will stay open for 72h and closes on Wed 21th, 8:15 PM CET. -1 unless I hear from other ASF committers intending to work on this component. I will happily change this to +1 if any of the people who have voted +1 assert they intend to commit or if any other ASF committer asserts that intention. We have too many one man shows and walking dead in Commons proper now to make more. Phil Many thanks in advance, all the best! -Simo [1] http://markmail.org/message/mlvqiqhqm2nqhofr [2] SANDBOX-334 SANDBOX-336 SANDBOX-338 SANDBOX-332 SANDBOX-333 SANDBOX-335 SANDBOX-337 SANDBOX-344 SANDBOX-345 http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] graduate [graph] as a proper component
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/18/11 1:12 PM, Simone Tripodi wrote: [ ] +1 Accept [graph] as a proper component [ ] +/- 0 uhm... [ ] -1 Don't accept it - and please explain why Open will stay open for 72h and closes on Wed 21th, 8:15 PM CET. -1 unless I hear from other ASF committers intending to work on this component. I will happily change this to +1 if any of the people who have voted +1 assert they intend to commit or if any other ASF committer asserts that intention. We have too many one man shows and walking dead in Commons proper now to make more. One more or less will not hurt. ;-) /kidding Actually [graph] with one active committer (Simone), one interested committer (James) and 3 (!) active contributors is in a better state than many other components. If the one man shows are a problem, then I suggest we clean up the proper list and move things to dormant instead of blocking an actively developed component. Who knows - with 3 active contributors chances are good they are joining the commons team. From my own experience, it is *very* frustrating to contribute on a sandbox component and if there weren't Torsten who supported me so much I probably would have given up. That being said, I myself have no time to play an active part in it. I just think we are fixing the commons situation on the wrong place. Cheers Christian Phil Many thanks in advance, all the best! -Simo [1] http://markmail.org/message/mlvqiqhqm2nqhofr [2] SANDBOX-334 SANDBOX-336 SANDBOX-338 SANDBOX-332 SANDBOX-333 SANDBOX-335 SANDBOX-337 SANDBOX-344 SANDBOX-345 http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org -- http://www.grobmeier.de https://www.timeandbill.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] graduate [graph] as a proper component
On 12/19/11 2:00 AM, Simone Tripodi wrote: Hi Phil, sorry but I think I lost you. Maybe actual Commons committers are interested on see [graph] released but don't have spare time to commit on it - OTOH, there are non ASF committers (researchers that work on the graph field) interested on contributing, so we could build the component micro-community with them. But being the component on sandbox, I'm not sure you would be available on accepting/voting new committers that contribute on a sandbox component. I would rather see us vote in committers based on sandbox contributions that promote a component with just one committer. Its great to have new contributors and if those working on [graph] now stick around and play nicely in the sandbox, I will be very happy to welcome them as ASF committers. So, I understand your concern that's only me behing [graph] but if we are waiting for other ASF committers take part to the component, I'm not sure we will ever have the chance to promote it from the sandbox. I don't see why not. Moreover the proposed component has a good svn activity[1], it is not just an abandoned one that I am trying to resurrect. Its great to get energy into dormant components and build communities around them. That's what the sandbox is for. If we allow this promotion, we are basically saying that the old rule of 3 for sandbox promotion is gone. As I said above, I think it is much better for us to keep that rule but allow people to be voted in as committers based on (sustained, collaborative) sandbox contributions. I don't think it's a good idea to promote one-committer shows; but this procedural VOTE is not subject to veto, so I will shut up now. Phil Anyway, thanks for the feedbacks! -Simo [1] http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/ASF/search?path=%2Fcommons%2Fsandbox%2Fgraph http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/18/11 1:12 PM, Simone Tripodi wrote: Hi all, Since I proposed[1] to resurrect commons-graph from dormant to sandbox, there's been not only my personal activity, but we have recorded a good number of discussions on the ML and received contributions on JIRA[2], involving not only PMC such as James but also from users, such as Claudio Squarcella, Matthew Pococ and Marco Speranza. I think we have now, including users that took part with the unbinding vote in the proposal, a good number of people interested in this commons component and see it released, that's why today I'm calling for a vote to accept it in the propers. So please cast your vote! [ ] +1 Accept [graph] as a proper component [ ] +/- 0 uhm... [ ] -1 Don't accept it - and please explain why Open will stay open for 72h and closes on Wed 21th, 8:15 PM CET. -1 unless I hear from other ASF committers intending to work on this component. I will happily change this to +1 if any of the people who have voted +1 assert they intend to commit or if any other ASF committer asserts that intention. We have too many one man shows and walking dead in Commons proper now to make more. Phil Many thanks in advance, all the best! -Simo [1] http://markmail.org/message/mlvqiqhqm2nqhofr [2] SANDBOX-334 SANDBOX-336 SANDBOX-338 SANDBOX-332 SANDBOX-333 SANDBOX-335 SANDBOX-337 SANDBOX-344 SANDBOX-345 http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] graduate [graph] as a proper component
Hi Phil, but this procedural VOTE is not subject to veto, so I will shut up now. I'm really sorry but I'm worried you got me wrong - that was not my intention. sincerely, -Simo http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] graduate [graph] as a proper component
On 12/19/11 10:47 AM, Simone Tripodi wrote: Hi Phil, but this procedural VOTE is not subject to veto, so I will shut up now. I'm really sorry but I'm worried you got me wrong - that was not my intention. No, I am sorry the wording above is misleading. I meant promote as in s/sandbox/proper not promote as in a encourage. I know that is not your intention. Its really just a question of timing and how we onboard new committers. I think its great that you have revived [graph] and gotten some new people interested. I would just like to see the subcommunity a little further along before promoting to Commons proper. Phil sincerely, -Simo http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] graduate [graph] as a proper component
On 12/19/11 7:48 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/18/11 1:12 PM, Simone Tripodi wrote: [ ] +1 Accept [graph] as a proper component [ ] +/- 0 uhm... [ ] -1 Don't accept it - and please explain why Open will stay open for 72h and closes on Wed 21th, 8:15 PM CET. -1 unless I hear from other ASF committers intending to work on this component. I will happily change this to +1 if any of the people who have voted +1 assert they intend to commit or if any other ASF committer asserts that intention. We have too many one man shows and walking dead in Commons proper now to make more. One more or less will not hurt. ;-) /kidding Actually [graph] with one active committer (Simone), one interested committer (James) and 3 (!) active contributors is in a better state than many other components. If the one man shows are a problem, then I suggest we clean up the proper list and move things to dormant It seems obvious to me that a good first step is to stop making new ones. To clean up the existing list, we need to agree on either a labeling solution, move to the Attic or extending the dormant concept to proper (what was proposed, but did not get to consensus). instead of blocking an actively developed component. What exactly is being blocked? Who knows - with 3 active contributors chances are good they are joining the commons team. Great! From my own experience, it is *very* frustrating to contribute on a sandbox component and if there weren't Torsten who supported me so much I probably would have given up. That, IMO, is what needs to be fixed. Why not just agree that sandbox contributions and involvement is no different from proper? I went through the same thing myself years ago when [math] was in the sandbox. And there are lots of other examples as well, I am sure. We vote committers in based on contributions and collaboration and when we vote them in it is for all of Commons, not just a single component, so it really should not matter what state the component(s) they are working on are in. Phil That being said, I myself have no time to play an active part in it. I just think we are fixing the commons situation on the wrong place. Cheers Christian Phil Many thanks in advance, all the best! -Simo [1] http://markmail.org/message/mlvqiqhqm2nqhofr [2] SANDBOX-334 SANDBOX-336 SANDBOX-338 SANDBOX-332 SANDBOX-333 SANDBOX-335 SANDBOX-337 SANDBOX-344 SANDBOX-345 http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] graduate [graph] as a proper component
+1 for graduating graph, go Simo, go! Phil Steitz wrote We have too many one man shows and walking dead in Commons proper now to make more. Can't you propose a clear list of what you believe should go to the attic and/or votes? -- View this message in context: http://apache-commons.680414.n4.nabble.com/VOTE-graduate-graph-as-a-proper-component-tp4211850p4215730.html Sent from the Commons - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] graduate [graph] as a proper component
Sorry, finally caught up on the attic discussion thread... We Commoners could try to find a way to at least let users see some metric on the stability/maturity/activity on projects so they can evaluate the risk they are taking using it. -- View this message in context: http://apache-commons.680414.n4.nabble.com/VOTE-graduate-graph-as-a-proper-component-tp4211850p4215918.html Sent from the Commons - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
[VOTE] graduate [graph] as a proper component
Hi all, Since I proposed[1] to resurrect commons-graph from dormant to sandbox, there's been not only my personal activity, but we have recorded a good number of discussions on the ML and received contributions on JIRA[2], involving not only PMC such as James but also from users, such as Claudio Squarcella, Matthew Pococ and Marco Speranza. I think we have now, including users that took part with the unbinding vote in the proposal, a good number of people interested in this commons component and see it released, that's why today I'm calling for a vote to accept it in the propers. So please cast your vote! [ ] +1 Accept [graph] as a proper component [ ] +/- 0 uhm... [ ] -1 Don't accept it - and please explain why Open will stay open for 72h and closes on Wed 21th, 8:15 PM CET. Many thanks in advance, all the best! -Simo [1] http://markmail.org/message/mlvqiqhqm2nqhofr [2] SANDBOX-334 SANDBOX-336 SANDBOX-338 SANDBOX-332 SANDBOX-333 SANDBOX-335 SANDBOX-337 SANDBOX-344 SANDBOX-345 http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] graduate [graph] as a proper component
Can we get it ready for release first? On Dec 18, 2011 3:13 PM, Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org wrote: Hi all, Since I proposed[1] to resurrect commons-graph from dormant to sandbox, there's been not only my personal activity, but we have recorded a good number of discussions on the ML and received contributions on JIRA[2], involving not only PMC such as James but also from users, such as Claudio Squarcella, Matthew Pococ and Marco Speranza. I think we have now, including users that took part with the unbinding vote in the proposal, a good number of people interested in this commons component and see it released, that's why today I'm calling for a vote to accept it in the propers. So please cast your vote! [ ] +1 Accept [graph] as a proper component [ ] +/- 0 uhm... [ ] -1 Don't accept it - and please explain why Open will stay open for 72h and closes on Wed 21th, 8:15 PM CET. Many thanks in advance, all the best! -Simo [1] http://markmail.org/message/mlvqiqhqm2nqhofr [2] SANDBOX-334 SANDBOX-336 SANDBOX-338 SANDBOX-332 SANDBOX-333 SANDBOX-335 SANDBOX-337 SANDBOX-344 SANDBOX-345 http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] graduate [graph] as a proper component
Hi James! can't we prepare the release in proper? Maybe it would be easier attracting more people interested on contributing and get it ready for a release quicker... Best, -Simo http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 9:18 PM, James Carman jcar...@carmanconsulting.com wrote: Can we get it ready for release first? On Dec 18, 2011 3:13 PM, Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org wrote: Hi all, Since I proposed[1] to resurrect commons-graph from dormant to sandbox, there's been not only my personal activity, but we have recorded a good number of discussions on the ML and received contributions on JIRA[2], involving not only PMC such as James but also from users, such as Claudio Squarcella, Matthew Pococ and Marco Speranza. I think we have now, including users that took part with the unbinding vote in the proposal, a good number of people interested in this commons component and see it released, that's why today I'm calling for a vote to accept it in the propers. So please cast your vote! [ ] +1 Accept [graph] as a proper component [ ] +/- 0 uhm... [ ] -1 Don't accept it - and please explain why Open will stay open for 72h and closes on Wed 21th, 8:15 PM CET. Many thanks in advance, all the best! -Simo [1] http://markmail.org/message/mlvqiqhqm2nqhofr [2] SANDBOX-334 SANDBOX-336 SANDBOX-338 SANDBOX-332 SANDBOX-333 SANDBOX-335 SANDBOX-337 SANDBOX-344 SANDBOX-345 http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] graduate [graph] as a proper component
Am 18.12.2011 21:22, schrieb Simone Tripodi: Hi James! can't we prepare the release in proper? Maybe it would be easier attracting more people interested on contributing and get it ready for a release quicker... I agree. If it is in proper, there is a good chance that it gains more attention. So +1 for the move. Oliver Best, -Simo http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 9:18 PM, James Carman jcar...@carmanconsulting.com wrote: Can we get it ready for release first? On Dec 18, 2011 3:13 PM, Simone Tripodisimonetrip...@apache.org wrote: Hi all, Since I proposed[1] to resurrect commons-graph from dormant to sandbox, there's been not only my personal activity, but we have recorded a good number of discussions on the ML and received contributions on JIRA[2], involving not only PMC such as James but also from users, such as Claudio Squarcella, Matthew Pococ and Marco Speranza. I think we have now, including users that took part with the unbinding vote in the proposal, a good number of people interested in this commons component and see it released, that's why today I'm calling for a vote to accept it in the propers. So please cast your vote! [ ] +1 Accept [graph] as a proper component [ ] +/- 0 uhm... [ ] -1 Don't accept it - and please explain why Open will stay open for 72h and closes on Wed 21th, 8:15 PM CET. Many thanks in advance, all the best! -Simo [1] http://markmail.org/message/mlvqiqhqm2nqhofr [2] SANDBOX-334 SANDBOX-336 SANDBOX-338 SANDBOX-332 SANDBOX-333 SANDBOX-335 SANDBOX-337 SANDBOX-344 SANDBOX-345 http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] graduate [graph] as a proper component
+1 go proper On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Oliver Heger oliver.he...@oliver-heger.de wrote: Am 18.12.2011 21:22, schrieb Simone Tripodi: can't we prepare the release in proper? Maybe it would be easier attracting more people interested on contributing and get it ready for a release quicker... I agree. If it is in proper, there is a good chance that it gains more attention. So +1 for the move. +1 I think proper status should not be tied to a release, it should tied to active development, which is the case here. Cheers Christian Oliver Best, -Simo http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 9:18 PM, James Carman jcar...@carmanconsulting.com wrote: Can we get it ready for release first? On Dec 18, 2011 3:13 PM, Simone Tripodisimonetrip...@apache.org wrote: Hi all, Since I proposed[1] to resurrect commons-graph from dormant to sandbox, there's been not only my personal activity, but we have recorded a good number of discussions on the ML and received contributions on JIRA[2], involving not only PMC such as James but also from users, such as Claudio Squarcella, Matthew Pococ and Marco Speranza. I think we have now, including users that took part with the unbinding vote in the proposal, a good number of people interested in this commons component and see it released, that's why today I'm calling for a vote to accept it in the propers. So please cast your vote! [ ] +1 Accept [graph] as a proper component [ ] +/- 0 uhm... [ ] -1 Don't accept it - and please explain why Open will stay open for 72h and closes on Wed 21th, 8:15 PM CET. Many thanks in advance, all the best! -Simo [1] http://markmail.org/message/mlvqiqhqm2nqhofr [2] SANDBOX-334 SANDBOX-336 SANDBOX-338 SANDBOX-332 SANDBOX-333 SANDBOX-335 SANDBOX-337 SANDBOX-344 SANDBOX-345 http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org -- http://www.grobmeier.de https://www.timeandbill.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] graduate [graph] as a proper component
+1 :) Gary On Dec 18, 2011, at 15:13, Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org wrote: Hi all, Since I proposed[1] to resurrect commons-graph from dormant to sandbox, there's been not only my personal activity, but we have recorded a good number of discussions on the ML and received contributions on JIRA[2], involving not only PMC such as James but also from users, such as Claudio Squarcella, Matthew Pococ and Marco Speranza. I think we have now, including users that took part with the unbinding vote in the proposal, a good number of people interested in this commons component and see it released, that's why today I'm calling for a vote to accept it in the propers. So please cast your vote! [ ] +1 Accept [graph] as a proper component [ ] +/- 0 uhm... [ ] -1 Don't accept it - and please explain why Open will stay open for 72h and closes on Wed 21th, 8:15 PM CET. Many thanks in advance, all the best! -Simo [1] http://markmail.org/message/mlvqiqhqm2nqhofr [2] SANDBOX-334 SANDBOX-336 SANDBOX-338 SANDBOX-332 SANDBOX-333 SANDBOX-335 SANDBOX-337 SANDBOX-344 SANDBOX-345 http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] graduate [graph] as a proper component
+1 Siegfried Goeschl On 18.12.11 21:12, Simone Tripodi wrote: Hi all, Since I proposed[1] to resurrect commons-graph from dormant to sandbox, there's been not only my personal activity, but we have recorded a good number of discussions on the ML and received contributions on JIRA[2], involving not only PMC such as James but also from users, such as Claudio Squarcella, Matthew Pococ and Marco Speranza. I think we have now, including users that took part with the unbinding vote in the proposal, a good number of people interested in this commons component and see it released, that's why today I'm calling for a vote to accept it in the propers. So please cast your vote! [ ] +1 Accept [graph] as a proper component [ ] +/- 0 uhm... [ ] -1 Don't accept it - and please explain why Open will stay open for 72h and closes on Wed 21th, 8:15 PM CET. Many thanks in advance, all the best! -Simo [1] http://markmail.org/message/mlvqiqhqm2nqhofr [2] SANDBOX-334 SANDBOX-336 SANDBOX-338 SANDBOX-332 SANDBOX-333 SANDBOX-335 SANDBOX-337 SANDBOX-344 SANDBOX-345 http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] graduate [graph] as a proper component
My concern is that the momentum dies off after we get it in proper and then we have to demote it later. I am interested, but I don't know how much hands-on time I'll have for it. If we get it to a mature state and let it prove itself a bit first, I think it has a better chance. That's just my opinion and obviously there are many others who disagree so I don't even know why I'm taking the time to type this on my phone. Probably just looking for an excuse to play with ice cream sandwich. :) On Dec 18, 2011 3:22 PM, Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org wrote: Hi James! can't we prepare the release in proper? Maybe it would be easier attracting more people interested on contributing and get it ready for a release quicker... Best, -Simo http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 9:18 PM, James Carman jcar...@carmanconsulting.com wrote: Can we get it ready for release first? On Dec 18, 2011 3:13 PM, Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org wrote: Hi all, Since I proposed[1] to resurrect commons-graph from dormant to sandbox, there's been not only my personal activity, but we have recorded a good number of discussions on the ML and received contributions on JIRA[2], involving not only PMC such as James but also from users, such as Claudio Squarcella, Matthew Pococ and Marco Speranza. I think we have now, including users that took part with the unbinding vote in the proposal, a good number of people interested in this commons component and see it released, that's why today I'm calling for a vote to accept it in the propers. So please cast your vote! [ ] +1 Accept [graph] as a proper component [ ] +/- 0 uhm... [ ] -1 Don't accept it - and please explain why Open will stay open for 72h and closes on Wed 21th, 8:15 PM CET. Many thanks in advance, all the best! -Simo [1] http://markmail.org/message/mlvqiqhqm2nqhofr [2] SANDBOX-334 SANDBOX-336 SANDBOX-338 SANDBOX-332 SANDBOX-333 SANDBOX-335 SANDBOX-337 SANDBOX-344 SANDBOX-345 http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] graduate [graph] as a proper component
On Dec 18, 2011, at 3:10 PM, James Carman jcar...@carmanconsulting.com wrote: My concern is that the momentum dies off after we get it in proper and then we have to demote it later. I am interested, but I don't know how much hands-on time I'll have for it. If we get it to a mature state and let it prove itself a bit first, I think it has a better chance. That's just my opinion and obviously there are many others who disagree so I don't even know why I'm taking the time to type this on my phone. Probably just looking for an excuse to play with ice cream sandwich. :) I agree with you but with maybe a different emphasis. The requirement we used was three committers willing to actively help move the component along. I don't see being ready for a release as a hard requirement, but I do see the need for more than one active committer and Ideally 3 or more before something gets promoted. Are the people voting +1 planning to commit on [graph]? Are there others? Phil On Dec 18, 2011 3:22 PM, Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org wrote: Hi James! can't we prepare the release in proper? Maybe it would be easier attracting more people interested on contributing and get it ready for a release quicker... Best, -Simo http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 9:18 PM, James Carman jcar...@carmanconsulting.com wrote: Can we get it ready for release first? On Dec 18, 2011 3:13 PM, Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org wrote: Hi all, Since I proposed[1] to resurrect commons-graph from dormant to sandbox, there's been not only my personal activity, but we have recorded a good number of discussions on the ML and received contributions on JIRA[2], involving not only PMC such as James but also from users, such as Claudio Squarcella, Matthew Pococ and Marco Speranza. I think we have now, including users that took part with the unbinding vote in the proposal, a good number of people interested in this commons component and see it released, that's why today I'm calling for a vote to accept it in the propers. So please cast your vote! [ ] +1 Accept [graph] as a proper component [ ] +/- 0 uhm... [ ] -1 Don't accept it - and please explain why Open will stay open for 72h and closes on Wed 21th, 8:15 PM CET. Many thanks in advance, all the best! -Simo [1] http://markmail.org/message/mlvqiqhqm2nqhofr [2] SANDBOX-334 SANDBOX-336 SANDBOX-338 SANDBOX-332 SANDBOX-333 SANDBOX-335 SANDBOX-337 SANDBOX-344 SANDBOX-345 http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] graduate [graph] as a proper component
Le 18/12/2011 23:10, James Carman a écrit : My concern is that the momentum dies off after we get it in proper and then we have to demote it later. I don't see any problem with this. For now the component seems to have a community, hence it is worht promoting it (this is a +1 from me). If later on the community fades away, then the component will move away, it's OK. Luc I am interested, but I don't know how much hands-on time I'll have for it. If we get it to a mature state and let it prove itself a bit first, I think it has a better chance. That's just my opinion and obviously there are many others who disagree so I don't even know why I'm taking the time to type this on my phone. Probably just looking for an excuse to play with ice cream sandwich. :) On Dec 18, 2011 3:22 PM, Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org wrote: Hi James! can't we prepare the release in proper? Maybe it would be easier attracting more people interested on contributing and get it ready for a release quicker... Best, -Simo http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 9:18 PM, James Carman jcar...@carmanconsulting.com wrote: Can we get it ready for release first? On Dec 18, 2011 3:13 PM, Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org wrote: Hi all, Since I proposed[1] to resurrect commons-graph from dormant to sandbox, there's been not only my personal activity, but we have recorded a good number of discussions on the ML and received contributions on JIRA[2], involving not only PMC such as James but also from users, such as Claudio Squarcella, Matthew Pococ and Marco Speranza. I think we have now, including users that took part with the unbinding vote in the proposal, a good number of people interested in this commons component and see it released, that's why today I'm calling for a vote to accept it in the propers. So please cast your vote! [ ] +1 Accept [graph] as a proper component [ ] +/- 0 uhm... [ ] -1 Don't accept it - and please explain why Open will stay open for 72h and closes on Wed 21th, 8:15 PM CET. Many thanks in advance, all the best! -Simo [1] http://markmail.org/message/mlvqiqhqm2nqhofr [2] SANDBOX-334 SANDBOX-336 SANDBOX-338 SANDBOX-332 SANDBOX-333 SANDBOX-335 SANDBOX-337 SANDBOX-344 SANDBOX-345 http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] graduate [graph] as a proper component
Le 19/12/2011 07:16, Phil Steitz a écrit : On Dec 18, 2011, at 3:10 PM, James Carman jcar...@carmanconsulting.com wrote: My concern is that the momentum dies off after we get it in proper and then we have to demote it later. I am interested, but I don't know how much hands-on time I'll have for it. If we get it to a mature state and let it prove itself a bit first, I think it has a better chance. That's just my opinion and obviously there are many others who disagree so I don't even know why I'm taking the time to type this on my phone. Probably just looking for an excuse to play with ice cream sandwich. :) I agree with you but with maybe a different emphasis. The requirement we used was three committers willing to actively help move the component along. I don't see being ready for a release as a hard requirement, but I do see the need for more than one active committer and Ideally 3 or more before something gets promoted. Are the people voting +1 planning to commit on [graph]? Are there others? I voted +1 despite I don't intend to commit yet. Luc Phil On Dec 18, 2011 3:22 PM, Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org wrote: Hi James! can't we prepare the release in proper? Maybe it would be easier attracting more people interested on contributing and get it ready for a release quicker... Best, -Simo http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 9:18 PM, James Carman jcar...@carmanconsulting.com wrote: Can we get it ready for release first? On Dec 18, 2011 3:13 PM, Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org wrote: Hi all, Since I proposed[1] to resurrect commons-graph from dormant to sandbox, there's been not only my personal activity, but we have recorded a good number of discussions on the ML and received contributions on JIRA[2], involving not only PMC such as James but also from users, such as Claudio Squarcella, Matthew Pococ and Marco Speranza. I think we have now, including users that took part with the unbinding vote in the proposal, a good number of people interested in this commons component and see it released, that's why today I'm calling for a vote to accept it in the propers. So please cast your vote! [ ] +1 Accept [graph] as a proper component [ ] +/- 0 uhm... [ ] -1 Don't accept it - and please explain why Open will stay open for 72h and closes on Wed 21th, 8:15 PM CET. Many thanks in advance, all the best! -Simo [1] http://markmail.org/message/mlvqiqhqm2nqhofr [2] SANDBOX-334 SANDBOX-336 SANDBOX-338 SANDBOX-332 SANDBOX-333 SANDBOX-335 SANDBOX-337 SANDBOX-344 SANDBOX-345 http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] graduate [graph] as a proper component
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Luc Maisonobe luc.maison...@free.fr wrote: Le 18/12/2011 23:10, James Carman a écrit : My concern is that the momentum dies off after we get it in proper and then we have to demote it later. I don't see any problem with this. For now the component seems to have a community, hence it is worht promoting it (this is a +1 from me). If later on the community fades away, then the component will move away, it's OK. Indeed, thanks Luc, I don't see either what the issue is on managing components lifecycle - if people lost interest on it, just open a new vote to move it back to dormant. we can bee conservative but dynamic at the same time. http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] graduate [graph] as a proper component
On 12/19/11 12:35 AM, Simone Tripodi wrote: On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Luc Maisonobe luc.maison...@free.fr wrote: Le 18/12/2011 23:10, James Carman a écrit : My concern is that the momentum dies off after we get it in proper and then we have to demote it later. I don't see any problem with this. For now the component seems to have a community, hence it is worht promoting it (this is a +1 from me). If later on the community fades away, then the component will move away, it's OK. Indeed, thanks Luc, I don't see either what the issue is on managing components lifecycle - if people lost interest on it, just open a new vote to move it back to dormant. Technically, I don't think we ever agreed to change the lifecycle to allow components to go from proper to dormant. Dead proper components go to the Attic. We talked about extending the dormant category to include the various zombies that we still have listed as proper, but did not agree on it [1]. As of now, dormant only applies to sandbox components and we should not promote things that are likely to go dormant. The sandbox exists to allow us to experiment with things and try to grow a community around ideas. When we graduate something, we should be confident that it is going to become an active Commons component; otherwise it should stay in the sandbox. I don't buy the argument that being in the sandbox somehow limits visibility. The sandbox is actually easier for non-Commons committers to get access to and has just as much visibility as proper among the Commons community. The only constraint is that you can't cut releases from the sandbox; but that is not an issue in this case. Phil we can bee conservative but dynamic at the same time. http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] graduate [graph] as a proper component
On 12/19/11 12:52 AM, Phil Steitz wrote: On 12/19/11 12:35 AM, Simone Tripodi wrote: On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Luc Maisonobe luc.maison...@free.fr wrote: Le 18/12/2011 23:10, James Carman a écrit : My concern is that the momentum dies off after we get it in proper and then we have to demote it later. I don't see any problem with this. For now the component seems to have a community, hence it is worht promoting it (this is a +1 from me). If later on the community fades away, then the component will move away, it's OK. Indeed, thanks Luc, I don't see either what the issue is on managing components lifecycle - if people lost interest on it, just open a new vote to move it back to dormant. Technically, I don't think we ever agreed to change the lifecycle to allow components to go from proper to dormant. Dead proper components go to the Attic. We talked about extending the dormant category to include the various zombies that we still have listed as proper, but did not agree on it [1]. As of now, dormant only applies to sandbox components and we should not promote things that are likely to go dormant. The sandbox exists to allow us to experiment with things and try to grow a community around ideas. When we graduate something, we should be confident that it is going to become an active Commons component; otherwise it should stay in the sandbox. I don't buy the argument that being in the sandbox somehow limits visibility. The sandbox is actually easier for non-Commons committers to get access to and has just as much visibility as proper among the Commons community. The only constraint is that you can't cut releases from the sandbox; but that is not an issue in this case. Phil Oops, forgot the link: [1] http://markmail.org/message/anjdpx2s2cyojc65 we can bee conservative but dynamic at the same time. http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
