Re: Understanding the commit-then-review workflow

2014-07-09 Thread Rob Vesse
A practical example of a technical veto I've seen was when we added some
new optimisations that interacted badly with a pre-existing API in some
rare corner cases.

This actually went into a release and it wasn't until a particularly vocal
community member got round to upgrading that we became aware of the issue.
 As it was central to a their product stack and that product stack is
widely used in our field both by ourselves and the wider community this
was an appropriate veto.  After some heated discussion (because at first
we didn't understand why this was a problem - this was an example of when
a minimal test case is useless without the wider context) we were able to
come up with a technical solution that preserved the new optimisations and
resolved the bad interactions.

Rob

On 09/07/2014 08:12, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote:

I think the vetoing -1 from PMCs is mainly used for 'legal' reasons. If
e.g. some new committer adds code which he took from an external project
and it's license is not appropriate.
I've not yet seen -1 for purely technical reasons. This might happen. But
usually a consensus is reached after the pros and cons got discussed on
the list.

LieGrue,
strub


On Wednesday, 9 July 2014, 3:36, Justin Mclean jus...@classsoftware.com
wrote:
 



Hi,

 Ugh.  That looks garbled to me.  What exactly is a code modification
vote?  Any committer should be allowed to -1 a commit (with reasons)

Any committer can vote -1 it's just not normally binding (depending on
project guidelines), I certainly can't see it being ignored when it does
happen, even a -1 by a user is probably trying to tell you something is
up :-) There was a long discussion about this when we were drafting up
the Apache Flex guidelines as the default rules are not always clear.
The was an attempt to get this wording fixed up but not much come of it.

Thanks,

Justin







Re: ApacheCon EU: What I need help with

2014-07-09 Thread Rich Bowen
On Jul 8, 2014 1:12 PM, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Rich,

 That first link that you included redirects to http://tm3.org


 ...

 
  The spreadsheet is at *http://tm3.org/aceu2014tracks*

Looks like Thunderbird added asterisks around the link. Weird. Try without.

http://tm3.org/aceu2014tracks

 
 
  * Check the first tab. If something isn't in a track (ie, isn't color
  coded in any way), put it in one. Even if it's a track with only one
thing
  in it. Otherwise it might get overlooked later on.
 
  * Check a track you know something about - if you disagree, move stuff
to
  another track. Note that some tracks are topic based, while other tracks
  are project based. We want to build tracks that people will attend, not
  necessarily tracks that are 100% correctly categorized, so think about
  topics rather than just projects, if possible.
 
  * If a track is huge, consider splitting into logical subsets (days of
the
  same track, maybe?) The Big Data track is a likely candidate for this,
as
  is community. (Internal facing, vs external facing community, worked
well
  as categorizations at ACNA.)
 
  * Within a track, sort by type - that is, list regular sessions first,
  then tutorials, then lightning talks and bofs, with a blank line between
  each group.
 
  * And, still, we need reviewers. There are a lot of unreviewed talks.
  That's at http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/cfp-list?field_
  presentation_event_target_id%5B%5D=2260
 
 
 
  Thanks!
 
 
 
 
  On 06/30/2014 12:11 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
 
  I need to call on all you find people who have offered help with
  ApacheCon. I didn't get anything done on it this weekend, and I don't
want
  to be holding anybody up. These are the things that I can use help
with.
 
  * Reviewing talks - if you're willing, please sign on to the CFP
system -
  http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/cfp-list?field_
  presentation_event_target_id%5B%5D=2260 - and start rating talks. If
you
  don't have authorization to get to that interface, please tell me and
C.
  Craig Ross c...@linuxfoundation.org to get that fixed.
 
  * Sorting into tracks/categories.  All of the talks are in a Google Doc
  at https://docs.google.com/a/rcbowen.com/spreadsheets/d/
  1NSFxoGYkzpkorJkRN7CNnZpsaO59qro3L5YjeTBVSZE/edit#gid=0 I need help
  dividing them up into tracks/topics/projects so that when we have the
  ratings, it'll be easy to identify which ones to select and how to
divide
  them up. Please a) create a tab for what you think a topic should be,
b)
  COPY (not move) the record from ALL TALKS to that tab, and c)
highlight
  the entry on the ALL TALKS tab in a different color to indicate that
it has
  been categorized.
 
  * If you are familiar with Budapest, help us with the content for
  http://wiki.apache.org/apachecon/BudapestTips
 
  * If your project is planning to participate in the hackathon, put some
  ideas at http://wiki.apache.org/apachecon/HackathonEU14 to get
attendees
  excited about our on-site activities.
 
  * If your company is interested in sponsoring the event, but doesn't
know
  how, please email me and Angela Brown ang...@linuxfoundation.org
 
  Thanks so much for any way that you can help, be it minutes our hours.
 
  --Rich
 
 
  --
  rbo...@apache.org
  http://apache.org/
 
 


Re: ApacheCon EU: What I need help with

2014-07-09 Thread Sergio Fernández

Hi Rich,

On 08/07/14 18:49, Rich Bowen wrote:

* Check the first tab. If something isn't in a track (ie, isn't color
coded in any way), put it in one. Even if it's a track with only one
thing in it. Otherwise it might get overlooked later on.


Regarding the Linked Data track, there are some proposals:

  * Multi Language Content Discovery Through Entity Driven Search

  * How to build a cloud-based product using the Apache infrastructure

  * LocationMapper

  * Contextual Auto-tagging of Images using the surrounding text and
similar images

which fit by topic and target projects, but they may also fit with 
others (for instance the first one is Solr-related).


How to you want to approach the categorization of those that are somehow 
in the middle of different tracks?


Thanks.

Cheers,

--
Sergio Fernández
Partner Technology Manager
Redlink GmbH
m: +43 660 2747 925
e: sergio.fernan...@redlink.co
w: http://redlink.co


Re: ApacheCon EU: What I need help with

2014-07-09 Thread Rich Bowen
Sergio, as we've discussed off list, if you can put together a compelling
topic based track, please do so. The list you put together earlier looks
great. Lets make that a tab in the spreadsheet.

-- 
Rich Bowen, mobile edition
rbo...@rcbowen.com
On Jul 9, 2014 8:37 AM, Sergio Fernández wik...@apache.org wrote:

 Hi Rich,

 On 08/07/14 18:49, Rich Bowen wrote:

 * Check the first tab. If something isn't in a track (ie, isn't color
 coded in any way), put it in one. Even if it's a track with only one
 thing in it. Otherwise it might get overlooked later on.


 Regarding the Linked Data track, there are some proposals:

   * Multi Language Content Discovery Through Entity Driven Search

   * How to build a cloud-based product using the Apache infrastructure

   * LocationMapper

   * Contextual Auto-tagging of Images using the surrounding text and
 similar images

 which fit by topic and target projects, but they may also fit with others
 (for instance the first one is Solr-related).

 How to you want to approach the categorization of those that are somehow
 in the middle of different tracks?

 Thanks.

 Cheers,

 --
 Sergio Fernández
 Partner Technology Manager
 Redlink GmbH
 m: +43 660 2747 925
 e: sergio.fernan...@redlink.co
 w: http://redlink.co



Re: Proposing for Apache Member?

2014-07-09 Thread Pierre Smits
It is a bit strange to read that 'Contributor' is not the official role for
anybody who is committed to an Apache project. Equally strange is it to
read that both the 'User' and the 'Developer' is defined/explained as the
person who is contributing.




Pierre Smits

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On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 9:27 PM, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org
wrote:

 On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 09:42:56PM +0300, Issac Goldstand wrote:
  Ross,
 
  So to clarify, not all ASF officers are necessarily ASF members?

 Correct.  See:

 http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles




Re: Proposing for Apache Member?

2014-07-09 Thread Ross Gardler
Try reading http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html
On 9 Jul 2014 22:20, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote:

 It is a bit strange to read that 'Contributor' is not the official role for
 anybody who is committed to an Apache project. Equally strange is it to
 read that both the 'User' and the 'Developer' is defined/explained as the
 person who is contributing.




 Pierre Smits

 *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
 Services  Solutions for Cloud-
 Based Manufacturing, Professional
 Services and Retail  Trade
 http://www.orrtiz.com


 On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 9:27 PM, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org
 wrote:

  On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 09:42:56PM +0300, Issac Goldstand wrote:
   Ross,
  
   So to clarify, not all ASF officers are necessarily ASF members?
 
  Correct.  See:
 
  http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles