Re: Doing open source while maintaining your sanity

2017-12-08 Thread Kevin A. McGrail 

MAJOR issue in my first draft where I missed a negative.

Some Advice about Volunteering:

- Volunteering starts at home: Don't give more than you can afford to give.

- Volunteering doesn't mean unprofessional: Just because you aren't 
paid, that should NOT compromise your standards.


- Volunteers have lives and jobs: Don't over commit and ask for help 
EARLY if you are overwhelmed, get sick, or whatever.


- Volunteerism and burn out are real issues: If you need help, there are 
lots of members here who understand your pain.  Don't be afraid to ask 
for it! Reach out to memb...@apache.org, board-priv...@apache.org, or 
just another member 1:1.


Please don't suffer in silence.  We are all a big Apache family and we 
are here to help!





On 12/8/2017 4:26 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:

Hi Isabel and Myrle,

So I read this email in November and my snarky response was it was 
like asking the patients at the hospital to write their own protocol.


Volunteerism and especially volunteer burn out are definite issues.  I 
don't know that I've ever seen materials at other US NPOs for it 
though I admit I haven't been looking for it.


Perhaps a few points like this at an appropriate place on our site?  
My idea for getting this moving:


Some Advice about Volunteering:

- Volunteering starts at home: Don't give more than you can afford to 
give.


- Volunteering doesn't mean unprofessional: Just because you aren't 
paid should change your standards.


- Volunteers have lives and jobs: Don't over commit and ask for help 
EARLY if you are overwhelmed, get sick, or whatever.


- Volunteerism and burn out are real issues: If you need help, there 
are lots of members here who understand your pain.  Don't be afraid to 
ask for it! Reach out to memb...@apache.org, board-priv...@apache.org, 
or just another member 1:1.


Please don't suffer in silence.  We are all a big Apache family and we 
are here to help!



My $0.02.
KAM

On 12/8/2017 9:20 AM, Myrle Krantz wrote:

Hi Isabel,

Since sustainable development is very much in Apache's interest as a
foundation, I believe this is an excellent idea.

My first thoughts on where this could go:
1.) This belongs somewhere under https://community.apache.org
2.) It should come "early" in the intro to open source development.
So maybe here: https://community.apache.org/newcomers/ ?
3.) It's important enough to link to from the first community page,
maybe under or with the code of conduct?

But I'm still fairly new to comdev.  Who else has an opinion about
where this belongs?

Best Regards,
Myrle



On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Isabel Drost-Fromm 
 wrote:

Hi,

Last week at FOSS Backstage one of the topics Sharan discussed in 
her talk was IIRC the responsibility that comes with running an and 
participating in an open source project. One of the topics related 
to keeping an eye on your own well being as well as on your peers.


At Apache we have a couple resources that warn against things like 
volunteeritis, over committing and the like. I'm not sure how 
visible these are, also I'm not sure if Apache projects in general 
are aware of the topic of mental health.


IANAL, but AFAIK at least in Germany, mental health legally is 
treated the same way as physical health when it comes to employer 
liability (someone with better "legal English" skills, please 
correct my wording). While we are not an employer, would it make 
sense to offer some material on the topic to community members? I 
would guess that we wouldn't need to produce any new content, but 
maybe just link to and endorse existing stuff we already have? 
(Maybe we already do that, it's been a while since I was a new 
committer reading through the getting started docs, so anyone who is 
new - feedback welcome.)


Isabel




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Re: Doing open source while maintaining your sanity

2017-12-08 Thread Kevin A. McGrail 

Hi Isabel and Myrle,

So I read this email in November and my snarky response was it was like 
asking the patients at the hospital to write their own protocol.


Volunteerism and especially volunteer burn out are definite issues.  I 
don't know that I've ever seen materials at other US NPOs for it though 
I admit I haven't been looking for it.


Perhaps a few points like this at an appropriate place on our site?  My 
idea for getting this moving:


Some Advice about Volunteering:

- Volunteering starts at home: Don't give more than you can afford to give.

- Volunteering doesn't mean unprofessional: Just because you aren't paid 
should change your standards.


- Volunteers have lives and jobs: Don't over commit and ask for help 
EARLY if you are overwhelmed, get sick, or whatever.


- Volunteerism and burn out are real issues: If you need help, there are 
lots of members here who understand your pain.  Don't be afraid to ask 
for it! Reach out to memb...@apache.org, board-priv...@apache.org, or 
just another member 1:1.


Please don't suffer in silence.  We are all a big Apache family and we 
are here to help!



My $0.02.
KAM

On 12/8/2017 9:20 AM, Myrle Krantz wrote:

Hi Isabel,

Since sustainable development is very much in Apache's interest as a
foundation, I believe this is an excellent idea.

My first thoughts on where this could go:
1.) This belongs somewhere under https://community.apache.org
2.) It should come "early" in the intro to open source development.
So maybe here: https://community.apache.org/newcomers/ ?
3.) It's important enough to link to from the first community page,
maybe under or with the code of conduct?

But I'm still fairly new to comdev.  Who else has an opinion about
where this belongs?

Best Regards,
Myrle



On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Isabel Drost-Fromm  wrote:

Hi,

Last week at FOSS Backstage one of the topics Sharan discussed in her talk was 
IIRC the responsibility that comes with running an and participating in an open 
source project. One of the topics related to keeping an eye on your own well 
being as well as on your peers.

At Apache we have a couple resources that warn against things like 
volunteeritis, over committing and the like. I'm not sure how visible these 
are, also I'm not sure if Apache projects in general are aware of the topic of 
mental health.

IANAL, but AFAIK at least in Germany, mental health legally is treated the same way as 
physical health when it comes to employer liability (someone with better "legal 
English" skills, please correct my wording). While we are not an employer, would it 
make sense to offer some material on the topic to community members? I would guess that 
we wouldn't need to produce any new content, but maybe just link to and endorse existing 
stuff we already have? (Maybe we already do that, it's been a while since I was a new 
committer reading through the getting started docs, so anyone who is new - feedback 
welcome.)

Isabel




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Re: ApacheCon 2018

2017-12-08 Thread Kevin A. McGrail 
I don't think we are proposing an apachecon but rather an apache conference.  
Call it what you will.

I agree.  I want 2 rooms with 6x50 min speeches each on 12 different topics 
plus a keynote and endnote for all plus a lunch break.  I would even consider 
selling two tracks for sponsor speeches.  And yes it would be made sure not to 
be a sales pitch.

We sell a dozen tables for vendors and voila. 

A speaker dinner and sponsor party the night before.

I am slammed right now but I have some ideas for venues for the space that i 
can talk to about donating the use to keep costs low but still be nice.
Regards,
KAM

On December 8, 2017 12:55:06 PM EST, Leif Hedstrom  wrote:
>I like the ideas proposed here. I think all in all, we have to change
>the format of ApacheCon for it to be worth the efforts and financial
>burden. I also think we have to be more appealing to non-committers
>(unless we turn AC into a project Summit umbrella).
>
>I’ve been a proponent of topic tracks, rather than project tracks. I’ve
>seen first hand an all day track have speakers talking to a handful of
>project members, all whom already knew the topics.
>
>I’d also like to see fewer tracks, such that the rooms are filled. I’ve
>been to GopherCon a few times, with only one main track, and it was
>great. Not saying we have to be that narrow, but 2-3 tracks tops IMO,
>ideally with cross project topics (“how I made X fast with HTTPD,
>PageSpeed and Cassandra”).
>
>Cheers,
>
>— Leif 
>
>> On Dec 7, 2017, at 23:40, Kevin A. McGrail
> wrote:
>> 
>> OK, give me a few days.  Mason invited me to speak in March and I
>have a contact.  I'll see what might be possible.
>> 
>>> On 12/8/2017 1:30 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:
>>> I like the GMU idea and getting new generation of students
>interested in OSS. I think I can find SIs to sponsors and even follow
>Niclas' idea of connecting potential employers with talent.
>>> 
>>> We can pull this off.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 12/08/2017 01:05 AM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
> On 12/8/2017 12:38 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:
> Kevin, we're both (and others) in DC. Ton of demand here, as we
>know. How about trying to organize something here, even smaller events?
>
 +1.  Could be a nice time to throw the sponsor thank you party as
>well on the night before the event with a speaker dinner.
 
 1 day, 2 tracks, 12 presentations with a keynote and key end.  I
>have a friend with a nice conference room that hosted an ISSA meeting. 
>I can ask him how many it fits.  Or I can talk to GMU especially if we
>have a presentation or two on things like OSS in state/federal gov't
>and CyberSecurity.
 
 Regards,
 KAM
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Re: ApacheCon 2018

2017-12-08 Thread Leif Hedstrom 
I like the ideas proposed here. I think all in all, we have to change the 
format of ApacheCon for it to be worth the efforts and financial burden. I also 
think we have to be more appealing to non-committers (unless we turn AC into a 
project Summit umbrella).

I’ve been a proponent of topic tracks, rather than project tracks. I’ve seen 
first hand an all day track have speakers talking to a handful of project 
members, all whom already knew the topics.

I’d also like to see fewer tracks, such that the rooms are filled. I’ve been to 
GopherCon a few times, with only one main track, and it was great. Not saying 
we have to be that narrow, but 2-3 tracks tops IMO, ideally with cross project 
topics (“how I made X fast with HTTPD, PageSpeed and Cassandra”).

Cheers,

— Leif 

> On Dec 7, 2017, at 23:40, Kevin A. McGrail  wrote:
> 
> OK, give me a few days.  Mason invited me to speak in March and I have a 
> contact.  I'll see what might be possible.
> 
>> On 12/8/2017 1:30 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:
>> I like the GMU idea and getting new generation of students interested in 
>> OSS. I think I can find SIs to sponsors and even follow Niclas' idea of 
>> connecting potential employers with talent.
>> 
>> We can pull this off.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12/08/2017 01:05 AM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
 On 12/8/2017 12:38 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:
 Kevin, we're both (and others) in DC. Ton of demand here, as we know. How 
 about trying to organize something here, even smaller events? 
>>> +1.  Could be a nice time to throw the sponsor thank you party as well on 
>>> the night before the event with a speaker dinner.
>>> 
>>> 1 day, 2 tracks, 12 presentations with a keynote and key end.  I have a 
>>> friend with a nice conference room that hosted an ISSA meeting.  I can ask 
>>> him how many it fits.  Or I can talk to GMU especially if we have a 
>>> presentation or two on things like OSS in state/federal gov't and 
>>> CyberSecurity.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> KAM
> 
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Re: Doing open source while maintaining your sanity

2017-12-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz 
Hi,

On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Myrle Krantz  wrote:
> ...2.) It should come "early" in the intro to open source development.
> So maybe here: https://community.apache.org/newcomers/ ? ...

How about creating a more general "reading list" page instead?

It's just links and short comments IIUC so we could have a lot of them
on a single page, on various topics.

-Bertrand

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Re: Doing open source while maintaining your sanity

2017-12-08 Thread Myrle Krantz 
Hi Isabel,

Since sustainable development is very much in Apache's interest as a
foundation, I believe this is an excellent idea.

My first thoughts on where this could go:
1.) This belongs somewhere under https://community.apache.org
2.) It should come "early" in the intro to open source development.
So maybe here: https://community.apache.org/newcomers/ ?
3.) It's important enough to link to from the first community page,
maybe under or with the code of conduct?

But I'm still fairly new to comdev.  Who else has an opinion about
where this belongs?

Best Regards,
Myrle



On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Isabel Drost-Fromm  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Last week at FOSS Backstage one of the topics Sharan discussed in her talk 
> was IIRC the responsibility that comes with running an and participating in 
> an open source project. One of the topics related to keeping an eye on your 
> own well being as well as on your peers.
>
> At Apache we have a couple resources that warn against things like 
> volunteeritis, over committing and the like. I'm not sure how visible these 
> are, also I'm not sure if Apache projects in general are aware of the topic 
> of mental health.
>
> IANAL, but AFAIK at least in Germany, mental health legally is treated the 
> same way as physical health when it comes to employer liability (someone with 
> better "legal English" skills, please correct my wording). While we are not 
> an employer, would it make sense to offer some material on the topic to 
> community members? I would guess that we wouldn't need to produce any new 
> content, but maybe just link to and endorse existing stuff we already have? 
> (Maybe we already do that, it's been a while since I was a new committer 
> reading through the getting started docs, so anyone who is new - feedback 
> welcome.)
>
> Isabel
>
>
>
>
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