Re: on "meritocracy"

[Mark Thomas]

I asked the D folks at $dayjob for some advice / suggestions and got
back the following:

1. Mozilla have been doing some work in this area. It was suggested we
reach out to them to get the benefit of their experience. Anyone have
any contacts there?

2. Mozilla joined https://womensleadership.stanford.edu/corporate as
part of their program.

3. Consider sending folks to relevant conferences e.g.
http://www.womentransformingtechnology.com/

4. Creating a vision for inclusion

5. Various workshops (psychological safety, inclusion) and other
educational sessions

6. Hearing from leadership on these topics.

7. Making the content core not extra-curricular.


Trying to translate what some of this might look like at the ASF:

I think a lot of this is already covered by what Griselda set out here:
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/a5e7e30fad3e89547db554cf64b10d33611d4401356590bddf94b918@%3Cdev.community.apache.org%3E

I think I'm getting a little ahead of things but I wanted to add some
ideas of my own in terms of what some of the above could look like while
the ideas were fresh in my mind.

4. One for the board.

6/7. D could/should be part of our quarterly and annual reports. It
should appear on the board agenda and in the minutes. It should be in
State of the Feather talks at ApacheCon. This sounds like we need a VP
D to me. I think Sam's thinking was heading in this direction when he
mentioned setting up a President's committee.

5. Harder to do in an organisation as virtual as ours. We could/should
certainly try and do more of this at ApacheCon. I'm fairly sure that
there are geographical concentrations of committers. We should look at
putting on specific events for committers where we have concentrations
of committers.

3. I'm thinking TAC+. We fund folks to attend these external events.

Mark



On 29/03/2019 22:40, Justin Mclean wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Slightly off topic but relevant. One think we could do is look at other 
> foundations and communities and see what they have done that has worked for 
> them. I come across this interesting artifice this morning [1]. Note it 
> includes the steps that community took to build a diverse community, I’d also 
> note we’ve taken some of those steps (e.g. have a code of conduct) but 
> perhaps shows where we could do more. They have set up a Drupal Diversity & 
> Inclusion team [5] that spells out it values [2] and has  among other things 
> guide on moderation, [3] and participation [4], Now the ASF is different to 
> Drupal and some of those tings may not fit but it would be useful I think to 
> at least consider them.
> 
> Thanks,
> Justin
> 
> 1. https://angel.co/blog/drupals-angela-byron-on-building-a-diverse-community
> 2. 
> https://www.drupal.org/docs/8/modules/drupal-diversity-inclusion/statement-of-values
> 3. 
> https://www.drupal.org/docs/8/modules/drupal-diversity-inclusion/drupal-diversity-inclusion-participation-moderation-1
> 4. 
> https://www.drupal.org/docs/8/modules/drupal-diversity-inclusion/participation-moderation-guidelines/participant-guidelines
> 5. https://www.drupal.org/project/diversity
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Re: tuweni

[Dave Fisher]

Hi -

> On Mar 31, 2019, at 1:46 AM, Oleg Tikhonov  wrote:
> 
> Thank you all !!!
> Very impressed :-)
> 
> My first intention was - to have a look at source code, read a readme etc.
> Look forward for more progress from where I could help.
> 
> Thanks again.
> Best regards,
> Oleg
> 
> BTW:
> https://incubator.apache.org/clutch/tuweni.html
> I guess the creation date should be updated to "now" instead of " Updated:
> 01/01/1970 “

These values are from gitbox.apache.org and this is because the repositories 
are fresh and empty. As soon as content is added the date will be fixed.

It looks like we somehow got a second repos: 
incubator-tuweni-incubator-tuwenigit

Including users@Infra and general@incubator

Regards,
Dave

> 
> 
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 11:22 AM Felix Schumacher <
> felix.schumac...@internetallee.de> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Am 31. März 2019 09:13:30 MESZ schrieb Oleg Tikhonov :
>>> Hi guys,
>>> I'm wondering if somebody knows where can I get more info about this
>>> project:
>>> https://incubator.apache.org/projects/tuweni.html
>>> 
>>> The link does not seem to work.
>> 
>> This seems to be a rather new project. Maybe the web page has not been
>> uploaded yet. The mailing list seems to work, though.
>> 
>> https://lists.apache.org/list.html?d...@tuweni.apache.org
>> 
>> Regards
>> Felix
>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Oleg
>> 


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Re: tuweni

[Oleg Tikhonov]

Thanks for the update !!!
Looks very good. Really appreciate that!

BR,
Oleg

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 5:38 PM Dave Fisher  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Tuweni just entered Incubation last week and resources are mostly
> allocated. We are starting to onboard the committers this coming week.
>
> The status page is coming soon and I’ll be looking into the clutch start
> date bug.
>
> The proposal is here: https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/CavaProposal
>
> The podling was renamed before starting. It’s a blockchain project.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 31, 2019, at 1:46 AM, Oleg Tikhonov 
> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you all !!!
> > Very impressed :-)
> >
> > My first intention was - to have a look at source code, read a readme
> etc.
> > Look forward for more progress from where I could help.
> >
> > Thanks again.
> > Best regards,
> > Oleg
> >
> > BTW:
> > https://incubator.apache.org/clutch/tuweni.html
> > I guess the creation date should be updated to "now" instead of "
> Updated:
> > 01/01/1970 "
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 11:22 AM Felix Schumacher <
> > felix.schumac...@internetallee.de> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 31. März 2019 09:13:30 MESZ schrieb Oleg Tikhonov :
> >>> Hi guys,
> >>> I'm wondering if somebody knows where can I get more info about this
> >>> project:
> >>> https://incubator.apache.org/projects/tuweni.html
> >>>
> >>> The link does not seem to work.
> >>
> >> This seems to be a rather new project. Maybe the web page has not been
> >> uploaded yet. The mailing list seems to work, though.
> >>
> >> https://lists.apache.org/list.html?d...@tuweni.apache.org
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Felix
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks in advance,
> >>> Oleg
> >>
>

Re: tuweni

[Dave Fisher]

Hi,

Tuweni just entered Incubation last week and resources are mostly allocated. We 
are starting to onboard the committers this coming week.

The status page is coming soon and I’ll be looking into the clutch start date 
bug.

The proposal is here: https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/CavaProposal

The podling was renamed before starting. It’s a blockchain project.

Regards,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 31, 2019, at 1:46 AM, Oleg Tikhonov  wrote:
> 
> Thank you all !!!
> Very impressed :-)
> 
> My first intention was - to have a look at source code, read a readme etc.
> Look forward for more progress from where I could help.
> 
> Thanks again.
> Best regards,
> Oleg
> 
> BTW:
> https://incubator.apache.org/clutch/tuweni.html
> I guess the creation date should be updated to "now" instead of " Updated:
> 01/01/1970 "
> 
> 
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 11:22 AM Felix Schumacher <
> felix.schumac...@internetallee.de> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Am 31. März 2019 09:13:30 MESZ schrieb Oleg Tikhonov :
>>> Hi guys,
>>> I'm wondering if somebody knows where can I get more info about this
>>> project:
>>> https://incubator.apache.org/projects/tuweni.html
>>> 
>>> The link does not seem to work.
>> 
>> This seems to be a rather new project. Maybe the web page has not been
>> uploaded yet. The mailing list seems to work, though.
>> 
>> https://lists.apache.org/list.html?d...@tuweni.apache.org
>> 
>> Regards
>> Felix
>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Oleg
>> 

Re: Diversity / Inclusion

[Roy Lenferink]

Hi Austin,

Since a month we have got a training podling as well. The goal of this
training
project is to gather and provide as much training material as possible.
This can vary from project specific material but I can understand that
'How-to
ASF' material is present as well. A website hasn't been created yet,
but the mailing list is quite active already, so if you need any material
you may ask over there as well.

- Roy

Op zo 31 mrt. 2019 om 08:49 schreef Ross Gardler :

> Justin Mclean has done some work on Apache Way teaching modules (added to
> To line as I'm not sure if he is on the ComDev list)
>
> 
> From: Austin Bennett 
> Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 7:19 PM
> To: dev@community.apache.org
> Subject: Diversity / Inclusion
>
> Hi Apache Community,
>
> This is related to recent discussions, but I'm looking for practical
> suggestions for a concrete initiative, so not jumping in on those threads.
>
> Working with the administration at a local community college - looking at
> methods for training some English as a second language - and immigrant (to
> the USA) - students to learn things coding/computing.  Computer Science is
> an 'impacted' major, meaning students are not even able to gain access to
> those classes, so there is motivation to figure out how to expand those
> capabilities.
>
> This has me exploring putting things together to train these students.
> Outside of the technical skills, I am imagining teaching them about (and
> encourage living by) the Apache Way, and thoughts around encouraging this
> mentality from the outset ("meritocracy" as a quite loaded word, for
> example).  It seems such awareness would be beneficial to people as they
> are learning (and anyone); In addition this might serve as a pipeline for
> the future for people that would contribute positively to Apache.
>
> Anything else I should be looking at outside of the website:
>
> https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.apache.orgdata=02%7C01%7C%7C1e0ef8bd54174f76f88508d6b57f51c3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636895955760405352sdata=IEJzzDEsxGCaeFHpfr%2BpGizvwxvClhZWuB%2BudCoyW0s%3Dreserved=0
> ?
>
> Thanks,
> Austin
>
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Re: tuweni

[Oleg Tikhonov]

Thank you all !!!
Very impressed :-)

My first intention was - to have a look at source code, read a readme etc.
Look forward for more progress from where I could help.

Thanks again.
Best regards,
Oleg

BTW:
https://incubator.apache.org/clutch/tuweni.html
I guess the creation date should be updated to "now" instead of " Updated:
01/01/1970 "


On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 11:22 AM Felix Schumacher <
felix.schumac...@internetallee.de> wrote:

>
>
> Am 31. März 2019 09:13:30 MESZ schrieb Oleg Tikhonov :
> >Hi guys,
> >I'm wondering if somebody knows where can I get more info about this
> >project:
> >https://incubator.apache.org/projects/tuweni.html
> >
> >The link does not seem to work.
>
> This seems to be a rather new project. Maybe the web page has not been
> uploaded yet. The mailing list seems to work, though.
>
> https://lists.apache.org/list.html?d...@tuweni.apache.org
>
> Regards
>  Felix
>
> >
> >Thanks in advance,
> >Oleg
>

Re: tuweni

[Felix Schumacher]

Am 31. März 2019 09:13:30 MESZ schrieb Oleg Tikhonov :
>Hi guys,
>I'm wondering if somebody knows where can I get more info about this
>project:
>https://incubator.apache.org/projects/tuweni.html
>
>The link does not seem to work.

This seems to be a rather new project. Maybe the web page has not been uploaded 
yet. The mailing list seems to work, though. 

https://lists.apache.org/list.html?d...@tuweni.apache.org

Regards 
 Felix 

>
>Thanks in advance,
>Oleg

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Re: tuweni

[Ravindra Gautam]

Please check this

https://incubator.apache.org/clutch/tuweni.html

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 2:13 AM Oleg Tikhonov  wrote:

> Hi guys,
> I'm wondering if somebody knows where can I get more info about this
> project:
> https://incubator.apache.org/projects/tuweni.html
>
> The link does not seem to work.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Oleg
>

Re: tuweni

[Pierre Smits]

Hi Oleg,

Please send your emails regarding the incubating Apache Tuweni project to
the dev@tuweni.a.o mailing list (and I suggest to subscribe to that mailing
list too)

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

*Apache Trafodion , Vice President*
*Apache Directory , PMC Member*
Apache Incubator , committer
*Apache OFBiz , contributor (without privileges)
since 2008*
Apache Steve , committer


On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:13 AM Oleg Tikhonov  wrote:

> Hi guys,
> I'm wondering if somebody knows where can I get more info about this
> project:
> https://incubator.apache.org/projects/tuweni.html
>
> The link does not seem to work.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Oleg
>

Re: tuweni

[Pierre Smits]

I looked at http://tuweni.apache.org and that gave the same. Incubating
projects have the same construct for their web site like the graduated
project: .apache.org

We haven't started yet building the website, though INFRA has put the
underlying infrastructure in place.

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

*Apache Trafodion , Vice President*
*Apache Directory , PMC Member*
Apache Incubator , committer
*Apache OFBiz , contributor (without privileges)
since 2008*
Apache Steve , committer


On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:13 AM Oleg Tikhonov  wrote:

> Hi guys,
> I'm wondering if somebody knows where can I get more info about this
> project:
> https://incubator.apache.org/projects/tuweni.html
>
> The link does not seem to work.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Oleg
>

tuweni

[Oleg Tikhonov]

Hi guys,
I'm wondering if somebody knows where can I get more info about this
project:
https://incubator.apache.org/projects/tuweni.html

The link does not seem to work.

Thanks in advance,
Oleg

Re: Diversity / Inclusion

[Ross Gardler]

Justin Mclean has done some work on Apache Way teaching modules (added to To 
line as I'm not sure if he is on the ComDev list)


From: Austin Bennett 
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 7:19 PM
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Diversity / Inclusion

Hi Apache Community,

This is related to recent discussions, but I'm looking for practical
suggestions for a concrete initiative, so not jumping in on those threads.

Working with the administration at a local community college - looking at
methods for training some English as a second language - and immigrant (to
the USA) - students to learn things coding/computing.  Computer Science is
an 'impacted' major, meaning students are not even able to gain access to
those classes, so there is motivation to figure out how to expand those
capabilities.

This has me exploring putting things together to train these students.
Outside of the technical skills, I am imagining teaching them about (and
encourage living by) the Apache Way, and thoughts around encouraging this
mentality from the outset ("meritocracy" as a quite loaded word, for
example).  It seems such awareness would be beneficial to people as they
are learning (and anyone); In addition this might serve as a pipeline for
the future for people that would contribute positively to Apache.

Anything else I should be looking at outside of the website:
https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.apache.orgdata=02%7C01%7C%7C1e0ef8bd54174f76f88508d6b57f51c3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636895955760405352sdata=IEJzzDEsxGCaeFHpfr%2BpGizvwxvClhZWuB%2BudCoyW0s%3Dreserved=0
 ?

Thanks,
Austin

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