Re: Question: how to property fork an apache project

2020-10-22 Thread Otto Fowler
Ok,

I make sure we do our best to comply to the distributed works clauses.
Would there be a way to have the result checked by Apache?




On October 22, 2020 at 16:14:20, Mark Thomas (ma...@apache.org) wrote:

Hi,

Putting on my VP Brand Hat...

On one level, forking is easy - just follow the terms of the ALv2. The
TL;DR version is as Bertrand describes, copy the code, change the name,
keep the NOTICE file (which credits the ASF) and job done.

The above is an over simplification for most cases. For example, if the
code is Java code then it really needs to move out of the org.apache
namespace ASAP but that can create backwards compatibility issues.

The possibility *may* exist where you can keep the name. i.e. if the
code is "Apache Foo" you *might* be able to continue to call it "Foo"
(there is no way you can continue to use "Apache Foo").

If you are interested in exploring the possibility of continuing to use
the "Foo" name, please drop an email to tradema...@apache.org with
specific details of the (sub-)project we are talking about and we can
see what the options are (everything is a case-by-case basis for this
sort of thing).

Mark


On 22/10/2020 17:18, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 6:08 PM Otto Fowler 
wrote:
>> ...I am on the PMC of an Apache project that looks like it is heading to
the
>> attic. We have a sub project that I and at least one other committer
would
>> like to fork out of Apache in order to continue development
>
> One similar case that I remember is iBatis back in 2010, see [1] and
> [2] - others might have more information, there's probably been other
> cases among the projects listed at http://attic.apache.org/
>
> I think the key element is trademark, the ASF license allows forking
> but project names belong to the ASF.
>
> -Bertrand
>
> [1]
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ed0193921b211d8c1a6756859624b89445e46db8ffeaea14455e78f3%401274428444%40%3Cdev.ibatis.apache.org%3E
>
> [2] https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/iBATIS.html
>
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Question: how to property fork an apache project

2020-10-22 Thread Otto Fowler
It was suggested by bdelacre...@apache.org that I post this question here.

I am on the PMC of an Apache project that looks like it is heading to the
attic. We have a sub project that I and at least one other committer would
like to fork out of Apache in order to continue development.

We do not however know how to do this properly with regards to trademarks
and licensing (and perhaps other things that have not occurred to us).

We would not be changing from ASL2.0.

Is there any information or checklist for how to do this correctly?

How do we handle renaming? How do we handle the source headers and
copyright statements? How do we handle trademarks?

Any information about this would be greatly appreciated.