Re: [C/C Europe 25] [DISCUSS] Where to hold the conference
Hey, Is there a time and date for the BOF in Bratislava for C/C EU 25? Sent from my iPhone Marketing Director ivet.petr...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com > On 29 May 2024, at 9:15, Piotr Karwasz wrote: > > Hi Claude, > >> On 2024/05/17 07:49:43 Claude Warren wrote: >> Who will be at CoC Bratislava? Do we want to hold a BoF for CoC >> organizers? > > I will be there, +1 for a BoF. > > Piotr > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org >
Re: [C/C Europe 25] [DISCUSS] Where to hold the conference
Hi Claude, On 2024/05/17 07:49:43 Claude Warren wrote: > Who will be at CoC Bratislava? Do we want to hold a BoF for CoC > organizers? I will be there, +1 for a BoF. Piotr - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: [C/C Europe 25] [DISCUSS] Where to hold the conference
Shane, Good ideas. My only comment is that nobody has stood up and said "I'll drive". So there is nobody to create the page, nobody to say: "Hey, put your ideas over there". I'm still waiting for that person to put their head above the parapet. Claude On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 2:52 PM Shane Curcuru wrote: > Claude Warren wrote on 5/18/24 10:24 AM: > > I will not be chairing the next conference. So I am looking for someone > to > > stand up and volunteer. If there is no volunteer, there will not be a > > conference. > > People who are passionate about C/C Europe 2025 should participate in > this other thread, which is the most important decision to make: > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/n4t1sgsqlp54tv5mwc3m4j8ds48gog2z > > ...snip... > >> On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 8:45 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > >> > ...snip... > >>> Yes, I am being cynical here. It’s because I have endured 20 years of > >>> these meetings, and half of them devolved into shouting matches (no, > I’m > >>> not exaggerating. Ask Shane for his stories!) and the rest were just a > >>> waste of time. > > If there is a which-city BOF, let me know! I'll be in the back, > cheering you on. Don't mind the brown bag I'm drinking from. > > >>> I would encourage you, rather than having a “share our opinions” > meeting, > >>> to delegate specific tasks, figure out a timeline for reporting and > >>> completion of those tasks, and then go get a beer. > ...snip... > > My suggestion: make a wiki page or text file somewhere to base C/C EU 25 > planning from [1] so you can collect information. > > Then ask for volunteers who have experience with specific cities to list > themselves, and include brief notes about *how* they can help as a local > contact: do they know specific venues, have they run events locally, can > they work as local marketing help, etc. > > That will help any future conference, once the organizing team starts > doing venue selection (which is primarily costing/contracts/travel). > > -- > - Shane >Long-ago ex-conference planner >The Apache Software Foundation > > [1] Perhaps here? >https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ApacheCon > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > -- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/claudewarren
Re: [C/C Europe 25] [DISCUSS] Where to hold the conference
Claude Warren wrote on 5/18/24 10:24 AM: I will not be chairing the next conference. So I am looking for someone to stand up and volunteer. If there is no volunteer, there will not be a conference. People who are passionate about C/C Europe 2025 should participate in this other thread, which is the most important decision to make: https://lists.apache.org/thread/n4t1sgsqlp54tv5mwc3m4j8ds48gog2z ...snip... On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 8:45 AM Rich Bowen wrote: ...snip... Yes, I am being cynical here. It’s because I have endured 20 years of these meetings, and half of them devolved into shouting matches (no, I’m not exaggerating. Ask Shane for his stories!) and the rest were just a waste of time. If there is a which-city BOF, let me know! I'll be in the back, cheering you on. Don't mind the brown bag I'm drinking from. I would encourage you, rather than having a “share our opinions” meeting, to delegate specific tasks, figure out a timeline for reporting and completion of those tasks, and then go get a beer. ...snip... My suggestion: make a wiki page or text file somewhere to base C/C EU 25 planning from [1] so you can collect information. Then ask for volunteers who have experience with specific cities to list themselves, and include brief notes about *how* they can help as a local contact: do they know specific venues, have they run events locally, can they work as local marketing help, etc. That will help any future conference, once the organizing team starts doing venue selection (which is primarily costing/contracts/travel). -- - Shane Long-ago ex-conference planner The Apache Software Foundation [1] Perhaps here? https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ApacheCon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: [C/C Europe 25] [DISCUSS] Where to hold the conference
On 2024/05/06 12:11:49 Rich Bowen wrote: > > On May 6, 2024, at 5:12 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz > > wrote: > > > > On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 7:37 AM Claude Warren wrote: > >> ...if you have opinions and/or ideas please speak up... > > > > I've been to several small/medium conferences in Berlin [1] in the > > last few years and it was always a great experience. > > > > Easy to travel to, including by train, reasonable costs most of the > > time (except when the marathon or similar events happen maybe), and we > > have a number of ASF members there who might help with contacts or > > more. > > We also have a great existing relationship with a producer - Plain Schwarz - > who are based in Berlin. They did ApacheCon 2018 (I think?) and that was a > great event. 2019 :) It was the last ApacheCon EU before all conferences were grounded for a while. One plus for Plain Schwarz: They focus on Open Source, they run several conferences in Berlin and as a result have existing relationships with several Berlin venues leading to cheaper venue booking fees. In addition they have existing relations with WeCap and can offer to run the event with recording or hybrid. The one drawback of Berlin: Compared to Frankfurt or Munich the number of direct flight destinations is smaller. On the positive side, the city is easy to reach by train - even by night train (though nothing compared to train service in Switzerland). One word of caution against places that are very small: At least in Germany those can get tricky quickly wrt. accommodation and public transit access for larger crowds. "just take a taxi/uber from hotel to stadium venue" doesn't scale for places that only have a dozen or so drivers. So in addition to the criteria that Brian already mentioned: * Ease of travel between typical accomodation and location. If you are local to a proposed city: Try and see if you can think of someone who might be up to take on conference management and has experience with that. Plain Schwarz mentioned above is an event agency. An alternative could be some local company deciding to dedicate a few of their marketing/event management people for coordination. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: [C/C Europe 25] [DISCUSS] Where to hold the conference
El vie, 3 de may de 2024, 5:22 a. m., Rich Bowen escribió: > London can be a hassle for non citizen EU residents to travel to, since > Brexit. > > Meanwhile many of us are at least familiar with Brussels having gone there > for fosdem for a decade or more. > > Rich > > On Fri, May 3, 2024, 05:54 Claude Warren wrote: > > > Francois, > > > > Do you know of anyone on the ground in any of those cities? It helps to > > have a local person in place. Not discounting any suggestions just yet, > > only looking for more data. > > > > Claude > > > > On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 10:15 AM Francois Papon < > > francois.pa...@openobject.fr> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I think it would be nice to have the event at places like Bruxelles, > > > Paris, Barcelone, Berlin, London... and to see if we can talk with > > > others open source foundation to make a common event like JB mention. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > François > > > > > > On 03/05/2024 07:36, Claude Warren wrote: > > > > There have been several volunteers to participate in the conference > > > > organizing committee so perhaps we should start by discussing where > the > > > > conference should be held. > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any strong opinions or ideas? > > > > > > > > The 2024 committee considered the following factors when choosing the > > > > location: > > > > > > > > 1. Production cost (venue rental + services). 2024 was a reboot > > > (Community > > > > over Code is not positioned) so we are starting with sponsors from > > > > scratch. 2025 is is a slightly better place since the 2024 > conference > > > made > > > > the European version of C/C visible to some sponsors and > participants. > > > > > > > > 2. Easy to get to by either train or airport (giving priority to > train, > > > > since we expect most attendees to come from EU and only a few from > > North > > > > America). > > > > > > > > 3. A city/area where it is easy to walk to nearby restaurants/bars so > > > that > > > > attendees would run into each other after conference hours. > > > > > > > > 4. A nice city that people would be interested in visiting, and > > probably > > > > never been to. > > > > > > > > So if you have opinions and/or ideas please speak up. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Claude > > > > > > > > p.s. We are still looking for a 2025 organizing committee chair. > Care > > to > > > > volunteer? > > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > -- > > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/claudewarren > > >
Re: [C/C Europe 25] [DISCUSS] Where to hold the conference
I will not be chairing the next conference. So I am looking for someone to stand up and volunteer. If there is no volunteer, there will not be a conference. On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 2:56 PM Brian Proffitt wrote: > One thing to keep in mind will be that any candidate venue/city will > undergo scrutiny on various criteria, such as: > > Ease of travel to the location (proximity to major airports, travel time) > Cost of the city for attendees > Cost of the city for planning organizers > Immigration access (ease of getting visas) > Size of venue, and flexibility of venue's space > > That's just a few. You all can talk about what's the neatest place to hold > a conference, but that is just one aspect of many required to hold a > successful event. > > BKP > > Brian Proffitt > VP, Marketing & Publicity > VP, Conferences > > On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 8:45 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > > > > On May 17, 2024, at 3:49 AM, Claude Warren wrote: > > > > > > Who will be at CoC Bratislava? Do we want to hold a BoF for CoC > > > organizers? > > > > Yes, but, I will caution you, these meetings are seldom productive. > Having > > 20 people sit around and say the names of their favorite city is not > > actually a good use of time. I would encourage you to have a specific > > agenda, and action items. Selecting a city is *mostly* a financial > > decision, and requires someone to collect actual proposals and compare > > them, not just list nice places to visit. > > > > Yes, I am being cynical here. It’s because I have endured 20 years of > > these meetings, and half of them devolved into shouting matches (no, I’m > > not exaggerating. Ask Shane for his stories!) and the rest were just a > > waste of time. > > > > I would encourage you, rather than having a “share our opinions” meeting, > > to delegate specific tasks, figure out a timeline for reporting and > > completion of those tasks, and then go get a beer. The nature of this > work > > is that you can’t get it done in a meeting, and attempting to do so > > generally leads to heightened emotions. > > > > —Rich > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > > -- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/claudewarren
Re: [C/C Europe 25] [DISCUSS] Where to hold the conference
One thing to keep in mind will be that any candidate venue/city will undergo scrutiny on various criteria, such as: Ease of travel to the location (proximity to major airports, travel time) Cost of the city for attendees Cost of the city for planning organizers Immigration access (ease of getting visas) Size of venue, and flexibility of venue's space That's just a few. You all can talk about what's the neatest place to hold a conference, but that is just one aspect of many required to hold a successful event. BKP Brian Proffitt VP, Marketing & Publicity VP, Conferences On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 8:45 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > > On May 17, 2024, at 3:49 AM, Claude Warren wrote: > > > > Who will be at CoC Bratislava? Do we want to hold a BoF for CoC > > organizers? > > Yes, but, I will caution you, these meetings are seldom productive. Having > 20 people sit around and say the names of their favorite city is not > actually a good use of time. I would encourage you to have a specific > agenda, and action items. Selecting a city is *mostly* a financial > decision, and requires someone to collect actual proposals and compare > them, not just list nice places to visit. > > Yes, I am being cynical here. It’s because I have endured 20 years of > these meetings, and half of them devolved into shouting matches (no, I’m > not exaggerating. Ask Shane for his stories!) and the rest were just a > waste of time. > > I would encourage you, rather than having a “share our opinions” meeting, > to delegate specific tasks, figure out a timeline for reporting and > completion of those tasks, and then go get a beer. The nature of this work > is that you can’t get it done in a meeting, and attempting to do so > generally leads to heightened emotions. > > —Rich > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > >
Re: [C/C Europe 25] [DISCUSS] Where to hold the conference
> On May 17, 2024, at 3:49 AM, Claude Warren wrote: > > Who will be at CoC Bratislava? Do we want to hold a BoF for CoC > organizers? Yes, but, I will caution you, these meetings are seldom productive. Having 20 people sit around and say the names of their favorite city is not actually a good use of time. I would encourage you to have a specific agenda, and action items. Selecting a city is *mostly* a financial decision, and requires someone to collect actual proposals and compare them, not just list nice places to visit. Yes, I am being cynical here. It’s because I have endured 20 years of these meetings, and half of them devolved into shouting matches (no, I’m not exaggerating. Ask Shane for his stories!) and the rest were just a waste of time. I would encourage you, rather than having a “share our opinions” meeting, to delegate specific tasks, figure out a timeline for reporting and completion of those tasks, and then go get a beer. The nature of this work is that you can’t get it done in a meeting, and attempting to do so generally leads to heightened emotions. —Rich - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: [C/C Europe 25] [DISCUSS] Where to hold the conference
I'll be there and +1 for a BoF. regards, François On 17/05/2024 09:49, Claude Warren wrote: Who will be at CoC Bratislava? Do we want to hold a BoF for CoC organizers? On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 8:30 AM Ivet Petrova wrote: Hi all, A few ideas - Frankfurt or Sofia. Both are well connected, especially Frankfurt. Sofia on the other hand is better in terms of pricing. Prague can also be a good option. Berlin is also very nice place for an event. I would advice against Q1 for an event, as usually in q1 there are some major events in Europe like CloudFest in Germany. Or Kubceon. Best regards, Ivet Petrova Marketing Director ivet.petr...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com On 6 May 2024, at 15:11, Rich Bowen wrote: On May 6, 2024, at 5:12 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 7:37 AM Claude Warren wrote: ...if you have opinions and/or ideas please speak up... I've been to several small/medium conferences in Berlin [1] in the last few years and it was always a great experience. Easy to travel to, including by train, reasonable costs most of the time (except when the marathon or similar events happen maybe), and we have a number of ASF members there who might help with contacts or more. We also have a great existing relationship with a producer - Plain Schwarz - who are based in Berlin. They did ApacheCon 2018 (I think?) and that was a great event. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: [C/C Europe 25] [DISCUSS] Where to hold the conference
I’ll be at CoC Bratislava. It’d be good to have a BoF there! Anshum Gupta On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 00:50 Claude Warren wrote: > Who will be at CoC Bratislava? Do we want to hold a BoF for CoC > organizers? > > On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 8:30 AM Ivet Petrova > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > A few ideas - Frankfurt or Sofia. Both are well connected, especially > > Frankfurt. > > Sofia on the other hand is better in terms of pricing. > > Prague can also be a good option. Berlin is also very nice place for an > > event. > > > > I would advice against Q1 for an event, as usually in q1 there are some > > major events in Europe like CloudFest in Germany. Or Kubceon. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Ivet Petrova > > Marketing Director > > ivet.petr...@shapeblue.com > > www.shapeblue.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6 May 2024, at 15:11, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > > On May 6, 2024, at 5:12 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz > > wrote: > > > > On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 7:37 AM Claude Warren wrote: > > > > ...if you have opinions and/or ideas please speak up... > > > > > > I've been to several small/medium conferences in Berlin [1] in the > > last few years and it was always a great experience. > > > > Easy to travel to, including by train, reasonable costs most of the > > time (except when the marathon or similar events happen maybe), and we > > have a number of ASF members there who might help with contacts or > > more. > > > > > > We also have a great existing relationship with a producer - Plain > Schwarz > > - who are based in Berlin. They did ApacheCon 2018 (I think?) and that > was > > a great event. > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > > > > > -- > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/claudewarren >
Re: [C/C Europe 25] [DISCUSS] Where to hold the conference
Who will be at CoC Bratislava? Do we want to hold a BoF for CoC organizers? On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 8:30 AM Ivet Petrova wrote: > Hi all, > > A few ideas - Frankfurt or Sofia. Both are well connected, especially > Frankfurt. > Sofia on the other hand is better in terms of pricing. > Prague can also be a good option. Berlin is also very nice place for an > event. > > I would advice against Q1 for an event, as usually in q1 there are some > major events in Europe like CloudFest in Germany. Or Kubceon. > > Best regards, > > Ivet Petrova > Marketing Director > ivet.petr...@shapeblue.com > www.shapeblue.com > > > > > > > On 6 May 2024, at 15:11, Rich Bowen wrote: > > On May 6, 2024, at 5:12 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz > wrote: > > On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 7:37 AM Claude Warren wrote: > > ...if you have opinions and/or ideas please speak up... > > > I've been to several small/medium conferences in Berlin [1] in the > last few years and it was always a great experience. > > Easy to travel to, including by train, reasonable costs most of the > time (except when the marathon or similar events happen maybe), and we > have a number of ASF members there who might help with contacts or > more. > > > We also have a great existing relationship with a producer - Plain Schwarz > - who are based in Berlin. They did ApacheCon 2018 (I think?) and that was > a great event. > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > -- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/claudewarren
Re: [C/C Europe 25] [DISCUSS] Where to hold the conference
Hi all, A few ideas - Frankfurt or Sofia. Both are well connected, especially Frankfurt. Sofia on the other hand is better in terms of pricing. Prague can also be a good option. Berlin is also very nice place for an event. I would advice against Q1 for an event, as usually in q1 there are some major events in Europe like CloudFest in Germany. Or Kubceon. Best regards, Marketing Director ivet.petr...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com On 6 May 2024, at 15:11, Rich Bowen wrote: On May 6, 2024, at 5:12 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 7:37 AM Claude Warren wrote: ...if you have opinions and/or ideas please speak up... I've been to several small/medium conferences in Berlin [1] in the last few years and it was always a great experience. Easy to travel to, including by train, reasonable costs most of the time (except when the marathon or similar events happen maybe), and we have a number of ASF members there who might help with contacts or more. We also have a great existing relationship with a producer - Plain Schwarz - who are based in Berlin. They did ApacheCon 2018 (I think?) and that was a great event. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: [C/C Europe 25] [DISCUSS] Where to hold the conference
> On May 6, 2024, at 5:12 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz > wrote: > > On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 7:37 AM Claude Warren wrote: >> ...if you have opinions and/or ideas please speak up... > > I've been to several small/medium conferences in Berlin [1] in the > last few years and it was always a great experience. > > Easy to travel to, including by train, reasonable costs most of the > time (except when the marathon or similar events happen maybe), and we > have a number of ASF members there who might help with contacts or > more. We also have a great existing relationship with a producer - Plain Schwarz - who are based in Berlin. They did ApacheCon 2018 (I think?) and that was a great event. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: [C/C Europe 25] [DISCUSS] Where to hold the conference
On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 7:37 AM Claude Warren wrote: > ...if you have opinions and/or ideas please speak up... I've been to several small/medium conferences in Berlin [1] in the last few years and it was always a great experience. Easy to travel to, including by train, reasonable costs most of the time (except when the marathon or similar events happen maybe), and we have a number of ASF members there who might help with contacts or more. -Bertrand [1] https://24.foss-backstage.de/ , https://adapt.to/2024/ , https://berlinbuzzwords.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: [C/C Europe 25] [DISCUSS] Where to hold the conference
As to timing: You are now in Q2, and it takes about a year to get this organized. So Q1 2025 seems like a stretch, unless you have people with experience running conferences running 2025. However, since there is a dearth of experience running ASF conference in Europe, I would suggest Q2 at the earliest. Also, you have to consider that Q4 will put you in direct competition with North America, and while you can make a reasonable argument that there are lots of people in Europe that would not travel to North America, it will impact your ability to get sponsorship. On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 2:52 PM Gilles Sadowski wrote: > Hi. > > As I said last year: In Brussels I might be able to help for things that > would require in-person interaction. > > Regards, > Gilles > > Le ven. 3 mai 2024 à 14:20, Jean-Baptiste Onofré a > écrit : > > > > Hi, > > > > I would also prefer Barcelona or Brussels, depending on the target month. > > In Brussels, I also have a bunch of contacts, and we can work with > > Eclipse foundation here. > > > > Regards > > JB > > > > > > > [...] > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > -- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/claudewarren
Re: [C/C Europe 25] [DISCUSS] Where to hold the conference
Hi. As I said last year: In Brussels I might be able to help for things that would require in-person interaction. Regards, Gilles Le ven. 3 mai 2024 à 14:20, Jean-Baptiste Onofré a écrit : > > Hi, > > I would also prefer Barcelona or Brussels, depending on the target month. > In Brussels, I also have a bunch of contacts, and we can work with > Eclipse foundation here. > > Regards > JB > > > > > [...] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: [C/C Europe 25] [DISCUSS] Where to hold the conference
I know Krakow and it's a very nice city but as I remember the airport is not so closed to the center right? On 03/05/2024 13:58, Brian Proffitt wrote: Those larger cities are very attractive and easy to get to, but they are also very expensive, both in terms of venues and also attendee expense (hotels, food). You may want to consider smaller cities such as Lyon, Krakow, or Dusseldorf, which, spending on the city, may be cheaper. Timing will be key, too. Doing an event in June, during high season, is also making things more expensive. BKP Brian Proffitt VP, Marketing & Publicity VP, Conferences On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 6:22 AM Rich Bowen wrote: London can be a hassle for non citizen EU residents to travel to, since Brexit. Meanwhile many of us are at least familiar with Brussels having gone there for fosdem for a decade or more. Rich On Fri, May 3, 2024, 05:54 Claude Warren wrote: Francois, Do you know of anyone on the ground in any of those cities? It helps to have a local person in place. Not discounting any suggestions just yet, only looking for more data. Claude On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 10:15 AM Francois Papon < francois.pa...@openobject.fr> wrote: Hi, I think it would be nice to have the event at places like Bruxelles, Paris, Barcelone, Berlin, London... and to see if we can talk with others open source foundation to make a common event like JB mention. regards, François On 03/05/2024 07:36, Claude Warren wrote: There have been several volunteers to participate in the conference organizing committee so perhaps we should start by discussing where the conference should be held. Does anyone have any strong opinions or ideas? The 2024 committee considered the following factors when choosing the location: 1. Production cost (venue rental + services). 2024 was a reboot (Community over Code is not positioned) so we are starting with sponsors from scratch. 2025 is is a slightly better place since the 2024 conference made the European version of C/C visible to some sponsors and participants. 2. Easy to get to by either train or airport (giving priority to train, since we expect most attendees to come from EU and only a few from North America). 3. A city/area where it is easy to walk to nearby restaurants/bars so that attendees would run into each other after conference hours. 4. A nice city that people would be interested in visiting, and probably never been to. So if you have opinions and/or ideas please speak up. Thanks, Claude p.s. We are still looking for a 2025 organizing committee chair. Care to volunteer? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org -- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/claudewarren - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: [C/C Europe 25] [DISCUSS] Where to hold the conference
Hi, I would also prefer Barcelona or Brussels, depending on the target month. In Brussels, I also have a bunch of contacts, and we can work with Eclipse foundation here. Regards JB On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 1:21 PM Rich Bowen wrote: > > London can be a hassle for non citizen EU residents to travel to, since > Brexit. > > Meanwhile many of us are at least familiar with Brussels having gone there > for fosdem for a decade or more. > > Rich > > On Fri, May 3, 2024, 05:54 Claude Warren wrote: >> >> Francois, >> >> Do you know of anyone on the ground in any of those cities? It helps to >> have a local person in place. Not discounting any suggestions just yet, >> only looking for more data. >> >> Claude >> >> On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 10:15 AM Francois Papon >> wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > I think it would be nice to have the event at places like Bruxelles, >> > Paris, Barcelone, Berlin, London... and to see if we can talk with >> > others open source foundation to make a common event like JB mention. >> > >> > regards, >> > >> > François >> > >> > On 03/05/2024 07:36, Claude Warren wrote: >> > > There have been several volunteers to participate in the conference >> > > organizing committee so perhaps we should start by discussing where the >> > > conference should be held. >> > > >> > > Does anyone have any strong opinions or ideas? >> > > >> > > The 2024 committee considered the following factors when choosing the >> > > location: >> > > >> > > 1. Production cost (venue rental + services). 2024 was a reboot >> > (Community >> > > over Code is not positioned) so we are starting with sponsors from >> > > scratch. 2025 is is a slightly better place since the 2024 conference >> > made >> > > the European version of C/C visible to some sponsors and participants. >> > > >> > > 2. Easy to get to by either train or airport (giving priority to train, >> > > since we expect most attendees to come from EU and only a few from North >> > > America). >> > > >> > > 3. A city/area where it is easy to walk to nearby restaurants/bars so >> > that >> > > attendees would run into each other after conference hours. >> > > >> > > 4. A nice city that people would be interested in visiting, and probably >> > > never been to. >> > > >> > > So if you have opinions and/or ideas please speak up. >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > >> > > Claude >> > > >> > > p.s. We are still looking for a 2025 organizing committee chair. Care to >> > > volunteer? >> > > >> > >> > - >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org >> > >> > >> >> -- >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/claudewarren - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: [C/C Europe 25] [DISCUSS] Where to hold the conference
Agreed, we need to fit the best between expensive and attractive. About the date, may be Q1 or Q4 are better? regards, François On 03/05/2024 13:58, Brian Proffitt wrote: Those larger cities are very attractive and easy to get to, but they are also very expensive, both in terms of venues and also attendee expense (hotels, food). You may want to consider smaller cities such as Lyon, Krakow, or Dusseldorf, which, spending on the city, may be cheaper. Timing will be key, too. Doing an event in June, during high season, is also making things more expensive. BKP Brian Proffitt VP, Marketing & Publicity VP, Conferences On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 6:22 AM Rich Bowen wrote: London can be a hassle for non citizen EU residents to travel to, since Brexit. Meanwhile many of us are at least familiar with Brussels having gone there for fosdem for a decade or more. Rich On Fri, May 3, 2024, 05:54 Claude Warren wrote: Francois, Do you know of anyone on the ground in any of those cities? It helps to have a local person in place. Not discounting any suggestions just yet, only looking for more data. Claude On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 10:15 AM Francois Papon < francois.pa...@openobject.fr> wrote: Hi, I think it would be nice to have the event at places like Bruxelles, Paris, Barcelone, Berlin, London... and to see if we can talk with others open source foundation to make a common event like JB mention. regards, François On 03/05/2024 07:36, Claude Warren wrote: There have been several volunteers to participate in the conference organizing committee so perhaps we should start by discussing where the conference should be held. Does anyone have any strong opinions or ideas? The 2024 committee considered the following factors when choosing the location: 1. Production cost (venue rental + services). 2024 was a reboot (Community over Code is not positioned) so we are starting with sponsors from scratch. 2025 is is a slightly better place since the 2024 conference made the European version of C/C visible to some sponsors and participants. 2. Easy to get to by either train or airport (giving priority to train, since we expect most attendees to come from EU and only a few from North America). 3. A city/area where it is easy to walk to nearby restaurants/bars so that attendees would run into each other after conference hours. 4. A nice city that people would be interested in visiting, and probably never been to. So if you have opinions and/or ideas please speak up. Thanks, Claude p.s. We are still looking for a 2025 organizing committee chair. Care to volunteer? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org -- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/claudewarren - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: [C/C Europe 25] [DISCUSS] Where to hold the conference
Hi, I have several contacts in Barcelona, especially the guys who are organizing DevBcn (https://www.devbcn.com/). Regards JB On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 11:53 AM Claude Warren wrote: > > Francois, > > Do you know of anyone on the ground in any of those cities? It helps to have > a local person in place. Not discounting any suggestions just yet, only > looking for more data. > > Claude > > On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 10:15 AM Francois Papon > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I think it would be nice to have the event at places like Bruxelles, >> Paris, Barcelone, Berlin, London... and to see if we can talk with >> others open source foundation to make a common event like JB mention. >> >> regards, >> >> François >> >> On 03/05/2024 07:36, Claude Warren wrote: >> > There have been several volunteers to participate in the conference >> > organizing committee so perhaps we should start by discussing where the >> > conference should be held. >> > >> > Does anyone have any strong opinions or ideas? >> > >> > The 2024 committee considered the following factors when choosing the >> > location: >> > >> > 1. Production cost (venue rental + services). 2024 was a reboot (Community >> > over Code is not positioned) so we are starting with sponsors from >> > scratch. 2025 is is a slightly better place since the 2024 conference made >> > the European version of C/C visible to some sponsors and participants. >> > >> > 2. Easy to get to by either train or airport (giving priority to train, >> > since we expect most attendees to come from EU and only a few from North >> > America). >> > >> > 3. A city/area where it is easy to walk to nearby restaurants/bars so that >> > attendees would run into each other after conference hours. >> > >> > 4. A nice city that people would be interested in visiting, and probably >> > never been to. >> > >> > So if you have opinions and/or ideas please speak up. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Claude >> > >> > p.s. We are still looking for a 2025 organizing committee chair. Care to >> > volunteer? >> > >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org >> > > > -- > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/claudewarren - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: [C/C Europe 25] [DISCUSS] Where to hold the conference
Ha yes, I didn't think about Brexit complexity, good point! I also think that Brussels can be a good choice. On 03/05/2024 13:21, Rich Bowen wrote: London can be a hassle for non citizen EU residents to travel to, since Brexit. Meanwhile many of us are at least familiar with Brussels having gone there for fosdem for a decade or more. Rich On Fri, May 3, 2024, 05:54 Claude Warren wrote: Francois, Do you know of anyone on the ground in any of those cities? It helps to have a local person in place. Not discounting any suggestions just yet, only looking for more data. Claude On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 10:15 AM Francois Papon < francois.pa...@openobject.fr> wrote: Hi, I think it would be nice to have the event at places like Bruxelles, Paris, Barcelone, Berlin, London... and to see if we can talk with others open source foundation to make a common event like JB mention. regards, François On 03/05/2024 07:36, Claude Warren wrote: There have been several volunteers to participate in the conference organizing committee so perhaps we should start by discussing where the conference should be held. Does anyone have any strong opinions or ideas? The 2024 committee considered the following factors when choosing the location: 1. Production cost (venue rental + services). 2024 was a reboot (Community over Code is not positioned) so we are starting with sponsors from scratch. 2025 is is a slightly better place since the 2024 conference made the European version of C/C visible to some sponsors and participants. 2. Easy to get to by either train or airport (giving priority to train, since we expect most attendees to come from EU and only a few from North America). 3. A city/area where it is easy to walk to nearby restaurants/bars so that attendees would run into each other after conference hours. 4. A nice city that people would be interested in visiting, and probably never been to. So if you have opinions and/or ideas please speak up. Thanks, Claude p.s. We are still looking for a 2025 organizing committee chair. Care to volunteer? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org -- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/claudewarren - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: [C/C Europe 25] [DISCUSS] Where to hold the conference
I was going to bring up the topic of the prices in different seasons, but Brian covered it. You can consider Portugal too. Lisbon and Porto are good cities to host events and have flight connections to a lot of places. I also live here, so I could assist with something if needed. :P
Re: [C/C Europe 25] [DISCUSS] Where to hold the conference
On 3 May 2024, at 13:22, Rich Bowen wrote: > > London can be a hassle for non citizen EU residents to travel to, since > Brexit. Very much agreed. It has even become complex and very random for non EU nationals with full eu residency/working permits. With seemingly identical situations or same person second entry yielding different hurdles. So would avoid London until the rules settle and are applied predictively. > Meanwhile many of us are at least familiar with Brussels having gone there > for fosdem for a decade or more. +1 on Brussel. Easy to reach and not as expensive as Paris or Amsterdam. Especially when parliament is in session in Straatsburg and the city is empty. Dw. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: [C/C Europe 25] [DISCUSS] Where to hold the conference
Those larger cities are very attractive and easy to get to, but they are also very expensive, both in terms of venues and also attendee expense (hotels, food). You may want to consider smaller cities such as Lyon, Krakow, or Dusseldorf, which, spending on the city, may be cheaper. Timing will be key, too. Doing an event in June, during high season, is also making things more expensive. BKP Brian Proffitt VP, Marketing & Publicity VP, Conferences On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 6:22 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > London can be a hassle for non citizen EU residents to travel to, since > Brexit. > > Meanwhile many of us are at least familiar with Brussels having gone there > for fosdem for a decade or more. > > Rich > > On Fri, May 3, 2024, 05:54 Claude Warren wrote: > > > Francois, > > > > Do you know of anyone on the ground in any of those cities? It helps to > > have a local person in place. Not discounting any suggestions just yet, > > only looking for more data. > > > > Claude > > > > On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 10:15 AM Francois Papon < > > francois.pa...@openobject.fr> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I think it would be nice to have the event at places like Bruxelles, > > > Paris, Barcelone, Berlin, London... and to see if we can talk with > > > others open source foundation to make a common event like JB mention. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > François > > > > > > On 03/05/2024 07:36, Claude Warren wrote: > > > > There have been several volunteers to participate in the conference > > > > organizing committee so perhaps we should start by discussing where > the > > > > conference should be held. > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any strong opinions or ideas? > > > > > > > > The 2024 committee considered the following factors when choosing the > > > > location: > > > > > > > > 1. Production cost (venue rental + services). 2024 was a reboot > > > (Community > > > > over Code is not positioned) so we are starting with sponsors from > > > > scratch. 2025 is is a slightly better place since the 2024 > conference > > > made > > > > the European version of C/C visible to some sponsors and > participants. > > > > > > > > 2. Easy to get to by either train or airport (giving priority to > train, > > > > since we expect most attendees to come from EU and only a few from > > North > > > > America). > > > > > > > > 3. A city/area where it is easy to walk to nearby restaurants/bars so > > > that > > > > attendees would run into each other after conference hours. > > > > > > > > 4. A nice city that people would be interested in visiting, and > > probably > > > > never been to. > > > > > > > > So if you have opinions and/or ideas please speak up. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Claude > > > > > > > > p.s. We are still looking for a 2025 organizing committee chair. > Care > > to > > > > volunteer? > > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > -- > > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/claudewarren > > >
Re: [C/C Europe 25] [DISCUSS] Where to hold the conference
London can be a hassle for non citizen EU residents to travel to, since Brexit. Meanwhile many of us are at least familiar with Brussels having gone there for fosdem for a decade or more. Rich On Fri, May 3, 2024, 05:54 Claude Warren wrote: > Francois, > > Do you know of anyone on the ground in any of those cities? It helps to > have a local person in place. Not discounting any suggestions just yet, > only looking for more data. > > Claude > > On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 10:15 AM Francois Papon < > francois.pa...@openobject.fr> > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I think it would be nice to have the event at places like Bruxelles, > > Paris, Barcelone, Berlin, London... and to see if we can talk with > > others open source foundation to make a common event like JB mention. > > > > regards, > > > > François > > > > On 03/05/2024 07:36, Claude Warren wrote: > > > There have been several volunteers to participate in the conference > > > organizing committee so perhaps we should start by discussing where the > > > conference should be held. > > > > > > Does anyone have any strong opinions or ideas? > > > > > > The 2024 committee considered the following factors when choosing the > > > location: > > > > > > 1. Production cost (venue rental + services). 2024 was a reboot > > (Community > > > over Code is not positioned) so we are starting with sponsors from > > > scratch. 2025 is is a slightly better place since the 2024 conference > > made > > > the European version of C/C visible to some sponsors and participants. > > > > > > 2. Easy to get to by either train or airport (giving priority to train, > > > since we expect most attendees to come from EU and only a few from > North > > > America). > > > > > > 3. A city/area where it is easy to walk to nearby restaurants/bars so > > that > > > attendees would run into each other after conference hours. > > > > > > 4. A nice city that people would be interested in visiting, and > probably > > > never been to. > > > > > > So if you have opinions and/or ideas please speak up. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Claude > > > > > > p.s. We are still looking for a 2025 organizing committee chair. Care > to > > > volunteer? > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > > > -- > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/claudewarren >
Re: [C/C Europe 25] [DISCUSS] Where to hold the conference
Francois, Do you know of anyone on the ground in any of those cities? It helps to have a local person in place. Not discounting any suggestions just yet, only looking for more data. Claude On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 10:15 AM Francois Papon wrote: > Hi, > > I think it would be nice to have the event at places like Bruxelles, > Paris, Barcelone, Berlin, London... and to see if we can talk with > others open source foundation to make a common event like JB mention. > > regards, > > François > > On 03/05/2024 07:36, Claude Warren wrote: > > There have been several volunteers to participate in the conference > > organizing committee so perhaps we should start by discussing where the > > conference should be held. > > > > Does anyone have any strong opinions or ideas? > > > > The 2024 committee considered the following factors when choosing the > > location: > > > > 1. Production cost (venue rental + services). 2024 was a reboot > (Community > > over Code is not positioned) so we are starting with sponsors from > > scratch. 2025 is is a slightly better place since the 2024 conference > made > > the European version of C/C visible to some sponsors and participants. > > > > 2. Easy to get to by either train or airport (giving priority to train, > > since we expect most attendees to come from EU and only a few from North > > America). > > > > 3. A city/area where it is easy to walk to nearby restaurants/bars so > that > > attendees would run into each other after conference hours. > > > > 4. A nice city that people would be interested in visiting, and probably > > never been to. > > > > So if you have opinions and/or ideas please speak up. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Claude > > > > p.s. We are still looking for a 2025 organizing committee chair. Care to > > volunteer? > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > -- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/claudewarren
Re: [C/C Europe 25] [DISCUSS] Where to hold the conference
Hi, I think it would be nice to have the event at places like Bruxelles, Paris, Barcelone, Berlin, London... and to see if we can talk with others open source foundation to make a common event like JB mention. regards, François On 03/05/2024 07:36, Claude Warren wrote: There have been several volunteers to participate in the conference organizing committee so perhaps we should start by discussing where the conference should be held. Does anyone have any strong opinions or ideas? The 2024 committee considered the following factors when choosing the location: 1. Production cost (venue rental + services). 2024 was a reboot (Community over Code is not positioned) so we are starting with sponsors from scratch. 2025 is is a slightly better place since the 2024 conference made the European version of C/C visible to some sponsors and participants. 2. Easy to get to by either train or airport (giving priority to train, since we expect most attendees to come from EU and only a few from North America). 3. A city/area where it is easy to walk to nearby restaurants/bars so that attendees would run into each other after conference hours. 4. A nice city that people would be interested in visiting, and probably never been to. So if you have opinions and/or ideas please speak up. Thanks, Claude p.s. We are still looking for a 2025 organizing committee chair. Care to volunteer? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
[C/C Europe 25] [DISCUSS] Where to hold the conference
There have been several volunteers to participate in the conference organizing committee so perhaps we should start by discussing where the conference should be held. Does anyone have any strong opinions or ideas? The 2024 committee considered the following factors when choosing the location: 1. Production cost (venue rental + services). 2024 was a reboot (Community over Code is not positioned) so we are starting with sponsors from scratch. 2025 is is a slightly better place since the 2024 conference made the European version of C/C visible to some sponsors and participants. 2. Easy to get to by either train or airport (giving priority to train, since we expect most attendees to come from EU and only a few from North America). 3. A city/area where it is easy to walk to nearby restaurants/bars so that attendees would run into each other after conference hours. 4. A nice city that people would be interested in visiting, and probably never been to. So if you have opinions and/or ideas please speak up. Thanks, Claude p.s. We are still looking for a 2025 organizing committee chair. Care to volunteer?
