Re: Apache Extras PoC
On 11/14/2014 02:05 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Kay Schenk wrote: Two questions -- Are we ready to go ahead with these changes to /main/external_deps.lst -- No we aren't! Roberto sent us a proof of concept, but he wrote that even the URL will change, so it is definitely not OK to change the location for Extras from Google Code to SourceForge yet. On the other hand, I just tried to create a new download at https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/ooo-extras/downloads/list (i.e., I tried to add the updated fonts package recently discussed on the OpenOffice dev list) and I confirm I can't add it. So the current service at Google Code cannot be used any longer to add new packages, which means that an alternative must be found (this has been known for months, but now this is really preventing us from getting things done). and since this is mirroring, I'm assuming we still put changes in our local svn tree and SF will grab them from there. Correct? The (remote or local) SVN tree has nothing to do with this. OpenOffice Extras is a section of Apache Extras which in turn is part of Google Code, and files to be mirrored are those at the link above. OK. Given Roberto's comments from this thread -- When we mirrored that apparently someone was using oooextras. Now it's free to use, so we can easily replace http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/?source=directory with http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras Also our engineering team is finalizing few changes, hope to be able to share a brand new Apache Extras landing page very soon. Roberto and I saw that -- http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/?source=directory this contained our extras (a mirror of it), I thought we might be ready. But I do see that the newly proposed name -- http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras is not ready. I don't know what the other projects are using Apache Extras for or how they have things setup -- real repository or mirror. It does seem that perhaps AOO only needs a mirror, and not an actual repository. Apache Extras in itself is foundation-wide, but only a few projects so far have expressed concerns about the policy change that is making it useless for OpenOffice in future. Regards, Andrea. -- - MzK One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
Re: Apache Extras PoC
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 29/10/2014 Roberto Galoppini wrote: Here we go, the new lookfeel based on some of your earlier feedback: http://sourceforge.net/directory/apache_extras This is much improved, thanks Roberto! The landing page is now much cleaner. Some of the comments on the inner pages still apply, but maybe if it would be possible to remove the Code tab from the individual projects? Or, on the contrary, using the Code function instead of the File function for the file repository? (Here we should really check what other projects do; for OpenOffice, Extras is just a file repository). It seems that a look and feel like http://sourceforge.net/mirror/oooextras/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/ could be better for our case than something like http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/ (which assumes, more or less, that those files are actually releases; but they aren't and this has a number of unintended consequences). Regards, Andrea. Two questions -- Are we ready to go ahead with these changes to /main/external_deps.lst -- -- Andrea's earlier post -- I can say I managed to build OpenOffice trunk by replacing (and I'm not suggesting that anyone commits this, it is just a proof of concept!) -OOO_EXTRAS=http://ooo-extras.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/ +OOO_EXTRAS=http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/ http://ooo-extras.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/+OOO_EXTRAS=http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/ and -URL2 = $(OOO_EXTRAS)$(MD5)-$(name) +URL2 = $(OOO_EXTRAS)$(MD5)-$(name)/download in external_deps.lst after deleting all third-party packages. So the archive seems complete and working. -- end Andrea -- and since this is mirroring, I'm assuming we still put changes in our local svn tree and SF will grab them from there. Correct? -- - MzK One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
Re: Apache Extras PoC
Apache Pivot is another project that is using Apache Extras and are concerned about the policy change. I'm actually working on updates to the stuff we have there that may be in jeopardy (i.e., cannot push out my updates) until another solution is found Thanks, ~Roger Whitcomb On 11/14/14 2:05 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Kay Schenk wrote: Two questions -- Are we ready to go ahead with these changes to /main/external_deps.lst -- No we aren't! Roberto sent us a proof of concept, but he wrote that even the URL will change, so it is definitely not OK to change the location for Extras from Google Code to SourceForge yet. On the other hand, I just tried to create a new download at https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/ooo-extras/downloads/list (i.e., I tried to add the updated fonts package recently discussed on the OpenOffice dev list) and I confirm I can't add it. So the current service at Google Code cannot be used any longer to add new packages, which means that an alternative must be found (this has been known for months, but now this is really preventing us from getting things done). and since this is mirroring, I'm assuming we still put changes in our local svn tree and SF will grab them from there. Correct? The (remote or local) SVN tree has nothing to do with this. OpenOffice Extras is a section of Apache Extras which in turn is part of Google Code, and files to be mirrored are those at the link above. Apache Extras in itself is foundation-wide, but only a few projects so far have expressed concerns about the policy change that is making it useless for OpenOffice in future. Regards, Andrea.
Re: Apache Extras PoC
2014-10-27 13:57 GMT+01:00 Roberto Galoppini roberto.galopp...@gmail.com: 2014-10-23 8:20 GMT+02:00 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org: On 01/10/2014 David Nalley wrote: Roberto and others from Sourceforge have set up a proof of concept for the SF-based replacement for Apache Extras. You can take a look below. Comments/Input welcome. https://sourceforge.net/directory/vertical:Apache-Extras/ This was sent to the dev@community list, but seeing the very limited feedback I'm CCing the d...@openoffice.apache.org list too. I can say I managed to build OpenOffice trunk by replacing (and I'm not suggesting that anyone commits this, it is just a proof of concept!) -OOO_EXTRAS=http://ooo-extras.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/ +OOO_EXTRAS=http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/ and -URL2 = $(OOO_EXTRAS)$(MD5)-$(name) +URL2 = $(OOO_EXTRAS)$(MD5)-$(name)/download in external_deps.lst after deleting all third-party packages. So the archive seems complete and working. Honestly, with the very long filenames we use, http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/?source=directory is hardly readable, and this should definitely be improved is possible. When we mirrored that apparently someone was using oooextras. Now it's free to use, so we can easily replace http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/?source=directory with http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras Also our engineering team is finalizing few changes, hope to be able to share a brand new Apache Extras landing page very soon. Here we go, the new lookfeel based on some of your earlier feedback: http://sourceforge.net/directory/apache_extras Let me know your thoughts, thanks. Roberto Roberto For the rest, does anybody know the status of the OpenOffice section in Apache Extras? https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/ooo-extras/downloads/list Didn't anybody complain so far simply because we haven't tried to upload new auxiliary libraries there after December 2013? Or someone tried and was hit by the new policy of Google Code as applied to Apache Extras? If we are to change, it would be good to know in what way the current solution is broken. My reading was that new uploads were forbidden, and indeed if I login at the above URL I don't see an Upload file function, but I used it only once in the past, so I'm not sure I'm looking at the right places. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Apache Extras PoC
2014-10-23 8:20 GMT+02:00 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org: On 01/10/2014 David Nalley wrote: Roberto and others from Sourceforge have set up a proof of concept for the SF-based replacement for Apache Extras. You can take a look below. Comments/Input welcome. https://sourceforge.net/directory/vertical:Apache-Extras/ This was sent to the dev@community list, but seeing the very limited feedback I'm CCing the d...@openoffice.apache.org list too. I can say I managed to build OpenOffice trunk by replacing (and I'm not suggesting that anyone commits this, it is just a proof of concept!) -OOO_EXTRAS=http://ooo-extras.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/ +OOO_EXTRAS=http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/ and -URL2 = $(OOO_EXTRAS)$(MD5)-$(name) +URL2 = $(OOO_EXTRAS)$(MD5)-$(name)/download in external_deps.lst after deleting all third-party packages. So the archive seems complete and working. Honestly, with the very long filenames we use, http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/?source=directory is hardly readable, and this should definitely be improved is possible. When we mirrored that apparently someone was using oooextras. Now it's free to use, so we can easily replace http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/?source=directory with http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras Also our engineering team is finalizing few changes, hope to be able to share a brand new Apache Extras landing page very soon. Roberto For the rest, does anybody know the status of the OpenOffice section in Apache Extras? https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/ooo-extras/downloads/list Didn't anybody complain so far simply because we haven't tried to upload new auxiliary libraries there after December 2013? Or someone tried and was hit by the new policy of Google Code as applied to Apache Extras? If we are to change, it would be good to know in what way the current solution is broken. My reading was that new uploads were forbidden, and indeed if I login at the above URL I don't see an Upload file function, but I used it only once in the past, so I'm not sure I'm looking at the right places. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Apache Extras PoC
On 01/10/2014 David Nalley wrote: Roberto and others from Sourceforge have set up a proof of concept for the SF-based replacement for Apache Extras. You can take a look below. Comments/Input welcome. https://sourceforge.net/directory/vertical:Apache-Extras/ This was sent to the dev@community list, but seeing the very limited feedback I'm CCing the d...@openoffice.apache.org list too. I can say I managed to build OpenOffice trunk by replacing (and I'm not suggesting that anyone commits this, it is just a proof of concept!) -OOO_EXTRAS=http://ooo-extras.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/ +OOO_EXTRAS=http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/ and -URL2 = $(OOO_EXTRAS)$(MD5)-$(name) +URL2 = $(OOO_EXTRAS)$(MD5)-$(name)/download in external_deps.lst after deleting all third-party packages. So the archive seems complete and working. Honestly, with the very long filenames we use, http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/?source=directory is hardly readable, and this should definitely be improved is possible. For the rest, does anybody know the status of the OpenOffice section in Apache Extras? https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/ooo-extras/downloads/list Didn't anybody complain so far simply because we haven't tried to upload new auxiliary libraries there after December 2013? Or someone tried and was hit by the new policy of Google Code as applied to Apache Extras? If we are to change, it would be good to know in what way the current solution is broken. My reading was that new uploads were forbidden, and indeed if I login at the above URL I don't see an Upload file function, but I used it only once in the past, so I'm not sure I'm looking at the right places. Regards, Andrea.
Re: Apache Extras PoC
On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 04:20:31 -0200, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 01/10/2014 David Nalley wrote: This was sent to the dev@community list, but seeing the very limited feedback That's because dev@community is a Apache Software Foundation-wide mailing list, not an OpenOffice.org-specific one. I'm CCing the d...@openoffice.apache.org list too. This is the correct mailing list for you to post messages about OO.o. ;) -- Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo Tapestry, Java and Hibernate consultant and developer http://machina.com.br
Re: Apache Extras PoC
On 23/10/2014 Thiago H de Paula Figueiredo wrote: That's because dev@community is a Apache Software Foundation-wide mailing list, not an OpenOffice.org-specific one. And David did the right thing by e-mailing the dev@community list: Apache Extras is foundation-wide (not OpenOffice-specific) and its problems affect many projects across the Foundation. I'm CCing the d...@openoffice.apache.org list too. This is the correct mailing list for you to post messages about OO.o. ;) It is also the correct list to forward messages of generic interest, like David's, that would benefit from input from the Apache OpenOffice project (if you mean Apache OpenOffice with OO.o). Regards, Andrea.
Re: Apache Extras PoC
Great David, Does it make sense to have the right panel (Staff Picks, top downloads, etc) be restricted to Apache Extras related projects ? I'll let others comment on the adds portion of the prototype. On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 4:44 PM, David Nalley da...@gnsa.us wrote: Hi folks: Roberto and others from Sourceforge have set up a proof of concept for the SF-based replacement for Apache Extras. You can take a look below. Comments/Input welcome. https://sourceforge.net/directory/vertical:Apache-Extras/ --David -- Luciano Resende http://people.apache.org/~lresende http://twitter.com/lresende1975 http://lresende.blogspot.com/
Re: Apache Extras PoC
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Luciano Resende luckbr1...@gmail.com wrote: Great David, Does it make sense to have the right panel (Staff Picks, top downloads, etc) be restricted to Apache Extras related projects ? I'll let others comment on the adds portion of the prototype. Frankly, I don't know, or even know how configurable it is. I am happy to take feedback back, or we can start a conversation here with folks at SF. I am not thrilled with the ads, but I also recognize that doing this work and hosting projects is not a free endeavor. --David
Re: Apache Extras PoC
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 6:18 PM, David Nalley da...@gnsa.us wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Luciano Resende luckbr1...@gmail.com wrote: Great David, Does it make sense to have the right panel (Staff Picks, top downloads, etc) be restricted to Apache Extras related projects ? I'll let others comment on the adds portion of the prototype. Frankly, I don't know, or even know how configurable it is. I am happy to take feedback back, or we can start a conversation here with folks at SF. I am not thrilled with the ads, but I also recognize that doing this work and hosting projects is not a free endeavor. --David Understood, I'm just providing some feedback and comparing with what we currently have in the Apache Extras provided by google. Hopefullly others will also provide their views on this thread. -- Luciano Resende http://people.apache.org/~lresende http://twitter.com/lresende1975 http://lresende.blogspot.com/
