Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

2015-04-21 Thread Krzysztof Sobkowiak
I have the same opinion. We have consensus in ServiceMix to move to Github too. 
But the question is whether we
can/should do it separately.

Regards
Krzysztof

On 20.04.2015 06:55, Christian Müller wrote:
 Most/All Camel Extra committers/contributors would like to move to GitHub
 and consider SF as dead end and not state of the art.

 Best,
 Christian


 On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Krzysztof Sobkowiak 
 krzys.sobkow...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi

 Should all *-extra projects from Apache Extra move together to the new
 home or can each project choose separately the
 new home?

 Regards
 Krzysztof

 On 12.03.2015 22:37, David Nalley wrote:
 It is my understanding that moving to SF from Google Code is a ComDev
 decision. I have interacted with SF and then brought the PoCs they've
 done here, but AFAIK, no decision has been made.

 --David

 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
 ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
 Ahhh... I see no that's just code for I don't have time, but these
 folks have shown interest ;-)
 I'm happy to help make sure we hit this deadline, but I'm not driving
 it.
 Ross

 -Original Message-
 From: Ulrich Stärk [mailto:u...@spielviel.de]
 Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:50 PM
 To: dev@community.apache.org
 Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

 *Really* moving board@ to BCC ;)

 You said you put people in contact with each other so I was under the
 impression you were actively part of a group driving this.
 Jim, do you have any updates on the current status?

 Cheers,

 Uli

 On 2015-03-12 21:40, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
 Moving board@ to BCC

 I am *not* working on it. I have no idea who said I was (I do hope it
 wasn't me!)

 All I know is that Jim, David and Roberto are working on it, I don't
 know how actively but it is now a priority.

 I believe Jim is involved wearing his ComDev hat so (with his
 agreement) you can look to him for those updates. David is wearing his
 infra hat and Roberto wears his SF hat.
 Ross

 Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft
 Corporation

 -Original Message- From: Ulrich Stärk
 [mailto:u...@spielviel.de] Sent: Thursday, March 12,
 2015 1:36 PM To: dev@community.apache.org Cc: bo...@apache.org
 Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

 We reported about apache extras in September and November and both
 times we were told that Jim, Ross, David and Roberto were working on
 it. Some time in October David asked for feedback on a proof of
 concept, no news since then.
 Can you shed some light on who is driving this atm?

 Cheers,

 Uli

 On 2015-03-12 21:22, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
 Today Google announced that Google Code will be shutting down Jan 25,
 2016.
 We need to create a replacement for Apache-extras. Can we please make
 sure that progress on this is reported in the ComDev board report
 each quarter.
 I suggest the starting point should be to expand discussions with
 SourceForge, they have offered neighborhoods in the past. David, with
 his infra hat, has been exploring options for download provision
 already (I'm not sure of the current status).
 (and as a reminder, this is why we don't like to use services
 provided by external companies)

 Ross

 Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft
 Corporation


 --
 Krzysztof Sobkowiak

 JEE  OSS Architect
 Apache Software Foundation Member
 Apache ServiceMix http://servicemix.apache.org/ Committer  PMC chair
 Senior Solution Architect @ Capgemini SSC 
 http://www.pl.capgemini-sdm.com/en/


-- 
Krzysztof Sobkowiak

JEE  OSS Architect
Apache Software Foundation Member
Apache ServiceMix http://servicemix.apache.org/ Committer  PMC chair
Senior Solution Architect @ Capgemini SSC http://www.pl.capgemini-sdm.com/en/


Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

2015-04-19 Thread Christian Müller
Most/All Camel Extra committers/contributors would like to move to GitHub
and consider SF as dead end and not state of the art.

Best,
Christian


On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Krzysztof Sobkowiak 
krzys.sobkow...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi

 Should all *-extra projects from Apache Extra move together to the new
 home or can each project choose separately the
 new home?

 Regards
 Krzysztof

 On 12.03.2015 22:37, David Nalley wrote:
  It is my understanding that moving to SF from Google Code is a ComDev
  decision. I have interacted with SF and then brought the PoCs they've
  done here, but AFAIK, no decision has been made.
 
  --David
 
  On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
  ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
  Ahhh... I see no that's just code for I don't have time, but these
 folks have shown interest ;-)
 
  I'm happy to help make sure we hit this deadline, but I'm not driving
 it.
 
  Ross
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Ulrich Stärk [mailto:u...@spielviel.de]
  Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:50 PM
  To: dev@community.apache.org
  Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016
 
  *Really* moving board@ to BCC ;)
 
  You said you put people in contact with each other so I was under the
 impression you were actively part of a group driving this.
 
  Jim, do you have any updates on the current status?
 
  Cheers,
 
  Uli
 
  On 2015-03-12 21:40, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
  Moving board@ to BCC
 
  I am *not* working on it. I have no idea who said I was (I do hope it
  wasn't me!)
 
  All I know is that Jim, David and Roberto are working on it, I don't
  know how actively but it is now a priority.
 
  I believe Jim is involved wearing his ComDev hat so (with his
  agreement) you can look to him for those updates. David is wearing his
 infra hat and Roberto wears his SF hat.
 
  Ross
 
  Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft
  Corporation
 
  -Original Message- From: Ulrich Stärk
  [mailto:u...@spielviel.de] Sent: Thursday, March 12,
  2015 1:36 PM To: dev@community.apache.org Cc: bo...@apache.org
  Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016
 
  We reported about apache extras in September and November and both
  times we were told that Jim, Ross, David and Roberto were working on
  it. Some time in October David asked for feedback on a proof of
 concept, no news since then.
 
  Can you shed some light on who is driving this atm?
 
  Cheers,
 
  Uli
 
  On 2015-03-12 21:22, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
  Today Google announced that Google Code will be shutting down Jan 25,
 2016.
 
  We need to create a replacement for Apache-extras. Can we please make
  sure that progress on this is reported in the ComDev board report
 each quarter.
 
  I suggest the starting point should be to expand discussions with
  SourceForge, they have offered neighborhoods in the past. David, with
  his infra hat, has been exploring options for download provision
 already (I'm not sure of the current status).
 
  (and as a reminder, this is why we don't like to use services
  provided by external companies)
 
  Ross
 
  Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft
  Corporation
 
 

 --
 Krzysztof Sobkowiak

 JEE  OSS Architect
 Apache Software Foundation Member
 Apache ServiceMix http://servicemix.apache.org/ Committer  PMC chair
 Senior Solution Architect @ Capgemini SSC 
 http://www.pl.capgemini-sdm.com/en/



Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

2015-04-18 Thread Krzysztof Sobkowiak
Hi

Should all *-extra projects from Apache Extra move together to the new home or 
can each project choose separately the
new home?

Regards
Krzysztof 

On 12.03.2015 22:37, David Nalley wrote:
 It is my understanding that moving to SF from Google Code is a ComDev
 decision. I have interacted with SF and then brought the PoCs they've
 done here, but AFAIK, no decision has been made.

 --David

 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
 ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
 Ahhh... I see no that's just code for I don't have time, but these folks 
 have shown interest ;-)

 I'm happy to help make sure we hit this deadline, but I'm not driving it.

 Ross

 -Original Message-
 From: Ulrich Stärk [mailto:u...@spielviel.de]
 Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:50 PM
 To: dev@community.apache.org
 Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

 *Really* moving board@ to BCC ;)

 You said you put people in contact with each other so I was under the 
 impression you were actively part of a group driving this.

 Jim, do you have any updates on the current status?

 Cheers,

 Uli

 On 2015-03-12 21:40, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
 Moving board@ to BCC

 I am *not* working on it. I have no idea who said I was (I do hope it
 wasn't me!)

 All I know is that Jim, David and Roberto are working on it, I don't
 know how actively but it is now a priority.

 I believe Jim is involved wearing his ComDev hat so (with his
 agreement) you can look to him for those updates. David is wearing his 
 infra hat and Roberto wears his SF hat.

 Ross

 Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft
 Corporation

 -Original Message- From: Ulrich Stärk
 [mailto:u...@spielviel.de] Sent: Thursday, March 12,
 2015 1:36 PM To: dev@community.apache.org Cc: bo...@apache.org
 Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

 We reported about apache extras in September and November and both
 times we were told that Jim, Ross, David and Roberto were working on
 it. Some time in October David asked for feedback on a proof of concept, no 
 news since then.

 Can you shed some light on who is driving this atm?

 Cheers,

 Uli

 On 2015-03-12 21:22, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
 Today Google announced that Google Code will be shutting down Jan 25, 2016.

 We need to create a replacement for Apache-extras. Can we please make
 sure that progress on this is reported in the ComDev board report each 
 quarter.

 I suggest the starting point should be to expand discussions with
 SourceForge, they have offered neighborhoods in the past. David, with
 his infra hat, has been exploring options for download provision already 
 (I'm not sure of the current status).

 (and as a reminder, this is why we don't like to use services
 provided by external companies)

 Ross

 Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft
 Corporation



-- 
Krzysztof Sobkowiak

JEE  OSS Architect
Apache Software Foundation Member
Apache ServiceMix http://servicemix.apache.org/ Committer  PMC chair
Senior Solution Architect @ Capgemini SSC http://www.pl.capgemini-sdm.com/en/


Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

2015-04-13 Thread jan i
On 13 April 2015 at 20:42, Roger and Beth Whitcomb 
rogerandb...@rbwhitcomb.com wrote:

 Pivot is using Apache Extras basically for source-code for projects that
 can't... because of licensing issues.  So, my feeling is we are different
 than AOO.


AOO uses apache-extra, for libraries that we cannot include in our repo due
to license restriction. These libraries are solely used by developers who
work on the
internals of AOO. One developer typically download the libraries once and
then check from time to time for updates. The binaries are relative big,
but the download numbers really low. These binaries should not be confused
with our executables which are big and downloaded frequently, these are
stored on sourceForge.

rgds
jan I.



 ~Roger Whitcomb
 Apache Pivot PMC Chair


 On 4/13/15 6:48 AM, Stian Soiland-Reyes wrote:

 How much of Apache Extras is binary dumping ground (as used by OO
 builds), and how much is just source-code for projects that
 can't/won't quite fit into ASF (e.g. for licensing reasons or lack of
 community)?

 As long as you have the source code, then you can attach binaries to
 tagged releases in GitHub.

 Atlassian's BitBucket likewise provides both source code and binary
 hosting - here binaries are easier to attach independently.


 As I said, I also found BinTray a great way to do independent
 downloads, with the optional capability of Maven repository with
 mirroring to Central as a nice thing for those still doing
 Java/Groovy/Clojure/Scala etc.

 It's still all eggs in one company's basket of course.. but then so
 is SourceForge.. and at the moment I would be more worried about
 SourceForge disappearing than GitHub or Atlassian.

 On 13 April 2015 at 06:17, Branko Čibej br...@apache.org wrote:

 On 19.03.2015 06:22, Stian Soiland-Reyes wrote:

 +1 for GitHub  - as Apache Extras are easily mini-communities of one
 or two people and not as clear way in to contribute.


 GitHub should seriously be considered. Making an apache-extras
 organization there should be straight forward.

 GitHub neither provides nor allows the kind of service that Apache
 Extras needs. It's pretty much useless as a pure download server, their
 terms explicitly say they can shut down a project without notice if they
 don't like its bandwidth characteristics.

  As for binaries - I found it very useful to use BinTray for Beanshell
 - as I could do both Maven and regular downloads:

 Do please consider that all the world cannot use Maven just as all the
 world is not written in Java.

 -- Brane







Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

2015-04-12 Thread Branko Čibej
On 19.03.2015 06:22, Stian Soiland-Reyes wrote:
 +1 for GitHub  - as Apache Extras are easily mini-communities of one
 or two people and not as clear way in to contribute.


 GitHub should seriously be considered. Making an apache-extras
 organization there should be straight forward.

GitHub neither provides nor allows the kind of service that Apache
Extras needs. It's pretty much useless as a pure download server, their
terms explicitly say they can shut down a project without notice if they
don't like its bandwidth characteristics.

 As for binaries - I found it very useful to use BinTray for Beanshell
 - as I could do both Maven and regular downloads:

Do please consider that all the world cannot use Maven just as all the
world is not written in Java.

-- Brane



Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

2015-04-12 Thread Ted Dunning
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 7:17 AM, Branko Čibej br...@apache.org wrote:

 Do please consider that all the world cannot use Maven just as all the
 world is not written in Java.


Lately, it appears that the fraction of the world that can use maven or a
cache of maven is pretty large.  Even our very finicky financial customers
can often access an internal maven mirror that contains approved items.


Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

2015-04-11 Thread Krzysztof Sobkowiak
Hi

I prefer the migration to Github too. It's currently the most popular hosting 
for projects. For binaries I would prefer
the Maven Central, but each project can make own decision where the binaries 
should be deployed.

Regards
Krzysztof

On 19.03.2015 12:22, Stian Soiland-Reyes wrote:
 +1 for GitHub  - as Apache Extras are easily mini-communities of one
 or two people and not as clear way in to contribute.


 GitHub should seriously be considered. Making an apache-extras
 organization there should be straight forward.

 As for binaries - I found it very useful to use BinTray for Beanshell
 - as I could do both Maven and regular downloads:

 https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/beanshell/wiki/Download

 On 12 March 2015 at 21:49, Christopher ctubb...@apache.org wrote:
 I don't know the reasons for choosing SF, but I'd highly recommend
 putting serious consideration into GitHub. It's quite pleasant to work
 with, and although I'm not a part of the apache-extras, I think those
 who are would be quite satisfied with it (that's just my personal
 opinion, of course).

 --
 Christopher L Tubbs II
 http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii


 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:37 PM, David Nalley da...@gnsa.us wrote:
 It is my understanding that moving to SF from Google Code is a ComDev
 decision. I have interacted with SF and then brought the PoCs they've
 done here, but AFAIK, no decision has been made.

 --David

 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
 ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
 Ahhh... I see no that's just code for I don't have time, but these folks 
 have shown interest ;-)

 I'm happy to help make sure we hit this deadline, but I'm not driving it.

 Ross

 -Original Message-
 From: Ulrich Stärk [mailto:u...@spielviel.de]
 Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:50 PM
 To: dev@community.apache.org
 Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

 *Really* moving board@ to BCC ;)

 You said you put people in contact with each other so I was under the 
 impression you were actively part of a group driving this.

 Jim, do you have any updates on the current status?

 Cheers,

 Uli

 On 2015-03-12 21:40, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
 Moving board@ to BCC

 I am *not* working on it. I have no idea who said I was (I do hope it
 wasn't me!)

 All I know is that Jim, David and Roberto are working on it, I don't
 know how actively but it is now a priority.

 I believe Jim is involved wearing his ComDev hat so (with his
 agreement) you can look to him for those updates. David is wearing his 
 infra hat and Roberto wears his SF hat.

 Ross

 Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft
 Corporation

 -Original Message- From: Ulrich Stärk
 [mailto:u...@spielviel.de] Sent: Thursday, March 12,
 2015 1:36 PM To: dev@community.apache.org Cc: bo...@apache.org
 Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

 We reported about apache extras in September and November and both
 times we were told that Jim, Ross, David and Roberto were working on
 it. Some time in October David asked for feedback on a proof of concept, 
 no news since then.

 Can you shed some light on who is driving this atm?

 Cheers,

 Uli

 On 2015-03-12 21:22, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
 Today Google announced that Google Code will be shutting down Jan 25, 
 2016.

 We need to create a replacement for Apache-extras. Can we please make
 sure that progress on this is reported in the ComDev board report each 
 quarter.

 I suggest the starting point should be to expand discussions with
 SourceForge, they have offered neighborhoods in the past. David, with
 his infra hat, has been exploring options for download provision already 
 (I'm not sure of the current status).

 (and as a reminder, this is why we don't like to use services
 provided by external companies)

 Ross

 Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft
 Corporation





-- 
Krzysztof Sobkowiak

JEE  OSS Architect
Apache Software Foundation Member
Apache ServiceMix http://servicemix.apache.org/ Committer  PMC chair
Senior Solution Architect @ Capgemini SSC http://www.pl.capgemini-sdm.com/en/


Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

2015-03-19 Thread Stian Soiland-Reyes
+1 for GitHub  - as Apache Extras are easily mini-communities of one
or two people and not as clear way in to contribute.


GitHub should seriously be considered. Making an apache-extras
organization there should be straight forward.

As for binaries - I found it very useful to use BinTray for Beanshell
- as I could do both Maven and regular downloads:

https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/beanshell/wiki/Download

On 12 March 2015 at 21:49, Christopher ctubb...@apache.org wrote:
 I don't know the reasons for choosing SF, but I'd highly recommend
 putting serious consideration into GitHub. It's quite pleasant to work
 with, and although I'm not a part of the apache-extras, I think those
 who are would be quite satisfied with it (that's just my personal
 opinion, of course).

 --
 Christopher L Tubbs II
 http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii


 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:37 PM, David Nalley da...@gnsa.us wrote:
 It is my understanding that moving to SF from Google Code is a ComDev
 decision. I have interacted with SF and then brought the PoCs they've
 done here, but AFAIK, no decision has been made.

 --David

 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
 ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
 Ahhh... I see no that's just code for I don't have time, but these folks 
 have shown interest ;-)

 I'm happy to help make sure we hit this deadline, but I'm not driving it.

 Ross

 -Original Message-
 From: Ulrich Stärk [mailto:u...@spielviel.de]
 Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:50 PM
 To: dev@community.apache.org
 Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

 *Really* moving board@ to BCC ;)

 You said you put people in contact with each other so I was under the 
 impression you were actively part of a group driving this.

 Jim, do you have any updates on the current status?

 Cheers,

 Uli

 On 2015-03-12 21:40, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
 Moving board@ to BCC

 I am *not* working on it. I have no idea who said I was (I do hope it
 wasn't me!)

 All I know is that Jim, David and Roberto are working on it, I don't
 know how actively but it is now a priority.

 I believe Jim is involved wearing his ComDev hat so (with his
 agreement) you can look to him for those updates. David is wearing his 
 infra hat and Roberto wears his SF hat.

 Ross

 Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft
 Corporation

 -Original Message- From: Ulrich Stärk
 [mailto:u...@spielviel.de] Sent: Thursday, March 12,
 2015 1:36 PM To: dev@community.apache.org Cc: bo...@apache.org
 Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

 We reported about apache extras in September and November and both
 times we were told that Jim, Ross, David and Roberto were working on
 it. Some time in October David asked for feedback on a proof of concept, 
 no news since then.

 Can you shed some light on who is driving this atm?

 Cheers,

 Uli

 On 2015-03-12 21:22, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
 Today Google announced that Google Code will be shutting down Jan 25, 
 2016.

 We need to create a replacement for Apache-extras. Can we please make
 sure that progress on this is reported in the ComDev board report each 
 quarter.

 I suggest the starting point should be to expand discussions with
 SourceForge, they have offered neighborhoods in the past. David, with
 his infra hat, has been exploring options for download provision already 
 (I'm not sure of the current status).

 (and as a reminder, this is why we don't like to use services
 provided by external companies)

 Ross

 Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft
 Corporation





-- 
Stian Soiland-Reyes
Apache Taverna (incubating), Apache Commons RDF (incubating)
http://orcid.org/-0001-9842-9718


Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

2015-03-19 Thread Christopher
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:22 AM, Stian Soiland-Reyes st...@apache.org wrote:
 +1 for GitHub  - as Apache Extras are easily mini-communities of one
 or two people and not as clear way in to contribute.


 GitHub should seriously be considered. Making an apache-extras
 organization there should be straight forward.
[snip]

I just took the 2 seconds to do this, to reserve the name. If
anybody's interested, I'll transfer it.


Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

2015-03-13 Thread Jim Jagielski
Gotcha. Let me read it :)

 On Mar 12, 2015, at 6:55 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) 
 ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
 
 Discussion on ComDev has cleared up the confusion. Jim, you and I are on 
 point. There's a mail in your inbox and we will report through ComDev.
 
 Ross
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jim Jagielski [mailto:j...@jagunet.com] 
 Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 3:50 PM
 To: dev@community.apache.org
 Cc: Apache Board
 Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016
 
 Yes, Roberto offered to have SF host an Apache Neighborhood (??) for us, to 
 replace Apache-Extras. I put he and David in touch, since David was best to 
 know what exactly we needed and what the division of labor should be.
 
 If David lacks the time to follow-up, I very much volunteer to take this up 
 again.
 
 On Mar 12, 2015, at 4:35 PM, Ulrich Stärk u...@spielviel.de wrote:
 
 We reported about apache extras in September and November and both 
 times we were told that Jim, Ross, David and Roberto were working on 
 it. Some time in October David asked for feedback on a proof of concept, no 
 news since then.
 
 Can you shed some light on who is driving this atm?
 
 Cheers,
 
 Uli
 
 On 2015-03-12 21:22, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
 Today Google announced that Google Code will be shutting down Jan 25, 2016.
 
 We need to create a replacement for Apache-extras. Can we please make 
 sure that progress on this is reported in the ComDev board report each 
 quarter.
 
 I suggest the starting point should be to expand discussions with 
 SourceForge, they have offered neighborhoods in the past. David, with 
 his infra hat, has been exploring options for download provision already 
 (I'm not sure of the current status).
 
 (and as a reminder, this is why we don't like to use services 
 provided by external companies)
 
 Ross
 
 Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft 
 Corporation
 
 
 



RE: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

2015-03-12 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
Moving board@ to BCC

I am *not* working on it. I have no idea who said I was (I do hope it wasn't 
me!)

All I know is that Jim, David and Roberto are working on it, I don't know how 
actively but it is now a priority. 

I believe Jim is involved wearing his ComDev hat so (with his agreement) you 
can look to him for those updates. David is wearing his infra hat and Roberto 
wears his SF hat.

Ross

Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc.
A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation

-Original Message-
From: Ulrich Stärk [mailto:u...@spielviel.de] 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:36 PM
To: dev@community.apache.org
Cc: bo...@apache.org
Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

We reported about apache extras in September and November and both times we 
were told that Jim, Ross, David and Roberto were working on it. Some time in 
October David asked for feedback on a proof of concept, no news since then.

Can you shed some light on who is driving this atm?

Cheers,

Uli

On 2015-03-12 21:22, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
 Today Google announced that Google Code will be shutting down Jan 25, 2016.
 
 We need to create a replacement for Apache-extras. Can we please make 
 sure that progress on this is reported in the ComDev board report each 
 quarter.
 
 I suggest the starting point should be to expand discussions with 
 SourceForge, they have offered neighborhoods in the past. David, with 
 his infra hat, has been exploring options for download provision already (I'm 
 not sure of the current status).
 
 (and as a reminder, this is why we don't like to use services provided 
 by external companies)
 
 Ross
 
 Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft 
 Corporation
 
 


Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

2015-03-12 Thread Ulrich Stärk
*Really* moving board@ to BCC ;)

You said you put people in contact with each other so I was under the 
impression you were actively
part of a group driving this.

Jim, do you have any updates on the current status?

Cheers,

Uli

On 2015-03-12 21:40, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
 Moving board@ to BCC
 
 I am *not* working on it. I have no idea who said I was (I do hope it wasn't 
 me!)
 
 All I know is that Jim, David and Roberto are working on it, I don't know how 
 actively but it is
 now a priority.
 
 I believe Jim is involved wearing his ComDev hat so (with his agreement) you 
 can look to him for
 those updates. David is wearing his infra hat and Roberto wears his SF hat.
 
 Ross
 
 Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation
 
 -Original Message- From: Ulrich Stärk [mailto:u...@spielviel.de] 
 Sent: Thursday, March 12,
 2015 1:36 PM To: dev@community.apache.org Cc: bo...@apache.org Subject: Re: 
 Google Code shutting
 down Jan 2016
 
 We reported about apache extras in September and November and both times we 
 were told that Jim,
 Ross, David and Roberto were working on it. Some time in October David asked 
 for feedback on a
 proof of concept, no news since then.
 
 Can you shed some light on who is driving this atm?
 
 Cheers,
 
 Uli
 
 On 2015-03-12 21:22, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
 Today Google announced that Google Code will be shutting down Jan 25, 2016.
 
 We need to create a replacement for Apache-extras. Can we please make sure 
 that progress on
 this is reported in the ComDev board report each quarter.
 
 I suggest the starting point should be to expand discussions with 
 SourceForge, they have
 offered neighborhoods in the past. David, with his infra hat, has been 
 exploring options for
 download provision already (I'm not sure of the current status).
 
 (and as a reminder, this is why we don't like to use services provided by 
 external companies)
 
 Ross
 
 Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation
 
 


RE: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

2015-03-12 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
Ahhh... I see no that's just code for I don't have time, but these folks have 
shown interest ;-)

I'm happy to help make sure we hit this deadline, but I'm not driving it.

Ross

-Original Message-
From: Ulrich Stärk [mailto:u...@spielviel.de] 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:50 PM
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

*Really* moving board@ to BCC ;)

You said you put people in contact with each other so I was under the 
impression you were actively part of a group driving this.

Jim, do you have any updates on the current status?

Cheers,

Uli

On 2015-03-12 21:40, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
 Moving board@ to BCC
 
 I am *not* working on it. I have no idea who said I was (I do hope it 
 wasn't me!)
 
 All I know is that Jim, David and Roberto are working on it, I don't 
 know how actively but it is now a priority.
 
 I believe Jim is involved wearing his ComDev hat so (with his 
 agreement) you can look to him for those updates. David is wearing his infra 
 hat and Roberto wears his SF hat.
 
 Ross
 
 Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft 
 Corporation
 
 -Original Message- From: Ulrich Stärk 
 [mailto:u...@spielviel.de] Sent: Thursday, March 12,
 2015 1:36 PM To: dev@community.apache.org Cc: bo...@apache.org 
 Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016
 
 We reported about apache extras in September and November and both 
 times we were told that Jim, Ross, David and Roberto were working on 
 it. Some time in October David asked for feedback on a proof of concept, no 
 news since then.
 
 Can you shed some light on who is driving this atm?
 
 Cheers,
 
 Uli
 
 On 2015-03-12 21:22, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
 Today Google announced that Google Code will be shutting down Jan 25, 2016.
 
 We need to create a replacement for Apache-extras. Can we please make 
 sure that progress on this is reported in the ComDev board report each 
 quarter.
 
 I suggest the starting point should be to expand discussions with 
 SourceForge, they have offered neighborhoods in the past. David, with 
 his infra hat, has been exploring options for download provision already 
 (I'm not sure of the current status).
 
 (and as a reminder, this is why we don't like to use services 
 provided by external companies)
 
 Ross
 
 Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft 
 Corporation
 
 


Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

2015-03-12 Thread David Nalley
It is my understanding that moving to SF from Google Code is a ComDev
decision. I have interacted with SF and then brought the PoCs they've
done here, but AFAIK, no decision has been made.

--David

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
 Ahhh... I see no that's just code for I don't have time, but these folks have 
 shown interest ;-)

 I'm happy to help make sure we hit this deadline, but I'm not driving it.

 Ross

 -Original Message-
 From: Ulrich Stärk [mailto:u...@spielviel.de]
 Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:50 PM
 To: dev@community.apache.org
 Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

 *Really* moving board@ to BCC ;)

 You said you put people in contact with each other so I was under the 
 impression you were actively part of a group driving this.

 Jim, do you have any updates on the current status?

 Cheers,

 Uli

 On 2015-03-12 21:40, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
 Moving board@ to BCC

 I am *not* working on it. I have no idea who said I was (I do hope it
 wasn't me!)

 All I know is that Jim, David and Roberto are working on it, I don't
 know how actively but it is now a priority.

 I believe Jim is involved wearing his ComDev hat so (with his
 agreement) you can look to him for those updates. David is wearing his infra 
 hat and Roberto wears his SF hat.

 Ross

 Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft
 Corporation

 -Original Message- From: Ulrich Stärk
 [mailto:u...@spielviel.de] Sent: Thursday, March 12,
 2015 1:36 PM To: dev@community.apache.org Cc: bo...@apache.org
 Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

 We reported about apache extras in September and November and both
 times we were told that Jim, Ross, David and Roberto were working on
 it. Some time in October David asked for feedback on a proof of concept, no 
 news since then.

 Can you shed some light on who is driving this atm?

 Cheers,

 Uli

 On 2015-03-12 21:22, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
 Today Google announced that Google Code will be shutting down Jan 25, 2016.

 We need to create a replacement for Apache-extras. Can we please make
 sure that progress on this is reported in the ComDev board report each 
 quarter.

 I suggest the starting point should be to expand discussions with
 SourceForge, they have offered neighborhoods in the past. David, with
 his infra hat, has been exploring options for download provision already 
 (I'm not sure of the current status).

 (and as a reminder, this is why we don't like to use services
 provided by external companies)

 Ross

 Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft
 Corporation




Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

2015-03-12 Thread Roger and Beth Whitcomb
I was involved at one point on behalf of Pivot (where we have several 
projects), and Andrea Pescetti on behalf of Open Office was also 
involved (since they have a bunch of stuff there).  But things have gone 
quiet for about 2 months.  There was a second prototype that looked 
pretty good (to us).  But, I don't know the state of things now.


~Roger Whitcomb
VP Apache Pivot

On 3/12/15 1:55 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:

Ahhh... I see no that's just code for I don't have time, but these folks have 
shown interest ;-)

I'm happy to help make sure we hit this deadline, but I'm not driving it.

Ross

-Original Message-
From: Ulrich Stärk [mailto:u...@spielviel.de]
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:50 PM
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

*Really* moving board@ to BCC ;)

You said you put people in contact with each other so I was under the 
impression you were actively part of a group driving this.

Jim, do you have any updates on the current status?

Cheers,

Uli

On 2015-03-12 21:40, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:

Moving board@ to BCC

I am *not* working on it. I have no idea who said I was (I do hope it
wasn't me!)

All I know is that Jim, David and Roberto are working on it, I don't
know how actively but it is now a priority.

I believe Jim is involved wearing his ComDev hat so (with his
agreement) you can look to him for those updates. David is wearing his infra 
hat and Roberto wears his SF hat.

Ross

Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft
Corporation

-Original Message- From: Ulrich Stärk
[mailto:u...@spielviel.de] Sent: Thursday, March 12,
2015 1:36 PM To: dev@community.apache.org Cc: bo...@apache.org
Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

We reported about apache extras in September and November and both
times we were told that Jim, Ross, David and Roberto were working on
it. Some time in October David asked for feedback on a proof of concept, no 
news since then.

Can you shed some light on who is driving this atm?

Cheers,

Uli

On 2015-03-12 21:22, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:

Today Google announced that Google Code will be shutting down Jan 25, 2016.

We need to create a replacement for Apache-extras. Can we please make
sure that progress on this is reported in the ComDev board report each quarter.

I suggest the starting point should be to expand discussions with
SourceForge, they have offered neighborhoods in the past. David, with
his infra hat, has been exploring options for download provision already (I'm 
not sure of the current status).

(and as a reminder, this is why we don't like to use services
provided by external companies)

Ross

Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft
Corporation








Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

2015-03-12 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
Today Google announced that Google Code will be shutting down Jan 25, 2016.

We need to create a replacement for Apache-extras. Can we please make sure that 
progress on this is reported in the ComDev board report each quarter.

I suggest the starting point should be to expand discussions with SourceForge, 
they have offered neighborhoods in the past. David, with his infra hat, has 
been exploring options for download provision already (I'm not sure of the 
current status).

(and as a reminder, this is why we don't like to use services provided by 
external companies)

Ross

Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc.
A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation



RE: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

2015-03-12 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
It seems there is confusion over who owns the decision. Happy for it to be 
ComDev if you are happy from infra perspective.

Ross

Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc.
A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation

-Original Message-
From: David Nalley [mailto:da...@gnsa.us] 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:37 PM
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

It is my understanding that moving to SF from Google Code is a ComDev decision. 
I have interacted with SF and then brought the PoCs they've done here, but 
AFAIK, no decision has been made.

--David

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) 
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
 Ahhh... I see no that's just code for I don't have time, but these 
 folks have shown interest ;-)

 I'm happy to help make sure we hit this deadline, but I'm not driving it.

 Ross

 -Original Message-
 From: Ulrich Stärk [mailto:u...@spielviel.de]
 Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:50 PM
 To: dev@community.apache.org
 Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

 *Really* moving board@ to BCC ;)

 You said you put people in contact with each other so I was under the 
 impression you were actively part of a group driving this.

 Jim, do you have any updates on the current status?

 Cheers,

 Uli

 On 2015-03-12 21:40, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
 Moving board@ to BCC

 I am *not* working on it. I have no idea who said I was (I do hope it 
 wasn't me!)

 All I know is that Jim, David and Roberto are working on it, I don't 
 know how actively but it is now a priority.

 I believe Jim is involved wearing his ComDev hat so (with his
 agreement) you can look to him for those updates. David is wearing his infra 
 hat and Roberto wears his SF hat.

 Ross

 Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft 
 Corporation

 -Original Message- From: Ulrich Stärk 
 [mailto:u...@spielviel.de] Sent: Thursday, March 12,
 2015 1:36 PM To: dev@community.apache.org Cc: bo...@apache.org
 Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

 We reported about apache extras in September and November and both 
 times we were told that Jim, Ross, David and Roberto were working on 
 it. Some time in October David asked for feedback on a proof of concept, no 
 news since then.

 Can you shed some light on who is driving this atm?

 Cheers,

 Uli

 On 2015-03-12 21:22, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
 Today Google announced that Google Code will be shutting down Jan 25, 2016.

 We need to create a replacement for Apache-extras. Can we please 
 make sure that progress on this is reported in the ComDev board report each 
 quarter.

 I suggest the starting point should be to expand discussions with 
 SourceForge, they have offered neighborhoods in the past. David, 
 with his infra hat, has been exploring options for download provision 
 already (I'm not sure of the current status).

 (and as a reminder, this is why we don't like to use services 
 provided by external companies)

 Ross

 Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft 
 Corporation




Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

2015-03-12 Thread jan i
On 12 March 2015 at 22:55, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:

 On 12/03/2015 Roger and Beth Whitcomb wrote:

 I was involved at one point on behalf of Pivot (where we have several
 projects), and Andrea Pescetti on behalf of Open Office was also
 involved (since they have a bunch of stuff there).  But things have gone
 quiet for about 2 months.  There was a second prototype that looked
 pretty good (to us).  But, I don't know the state of things now.


 It was not me personally, but the OpenOffice project as a whole. We are
 now using http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/ in the
 OpenOffice trunk and it works for us (our needs are limited to storage of
 some optional build dependencies; for the record, Github won't allow that).

 http://sourceforge.net/directory/apache_extras is the link to the latest
 proposal for an ASF-wide replacement. There was little interest all times
 the matter was discussed on this list, so OpenOffice just moved on and
 started using the SourceForge space.


I support Andrea strongly here, AOO need a decision on this, apache_extras
is an essential part of our downloads, and not just extras.

Personally I think the SF solution is what we as ASF need, unless Infra
prefer to host it on our own hardware, and do not have a problem with the
download bandwidth.

Can I please politely ask the people, who says (or others say) they are
working on this theme, to come to a decision. This seems to be a matter
where a single person could make the decision but we still continue
discussing.



 Regards,
   Andrea.



RE: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

2015-03-12 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
This has nothing to do with the AOO downloads, it only affects apache-extras. 
As far as I'm aware AOO downloads have been fine for a very long time - has 
that changed?

Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc.
A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation

-Original Message-
From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org] 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 3:06 PM
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

On 12 March 2015 at 22:55, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:

 On 12/03/2015 Roger and Beth Whitcomb wrote:

 I was involved at one point on behalf of Pivot (where we have several 
 projects), and Andrea Pescetti on behalf of Open Office was also 
 involved (since they have a bunch of stuff there).  But things have 
 gone quiet for about 2 months.  There was a second prototype that 
 looked pretty good (to us).  But, I don't know the state of things now.


 It was not me personally, but the OpenOffice project as a whole. We 
 are now using http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/ 
 in the OpenOffice trunk and it works for us (our needs are limited to 
 storage of some optional build dependencies; for the record, Github won't 
 allow that).

 http://sourceforge.net/directory/apache_extras is the link to the 
 latest proposal for an ASF-wide replacement. There was little interest 
 all times the matter was discussed on this list, so OpenOffice just 
 moved on and started using the SourceForge space.


I support Andrea strongly here, AOO need a decision on this, apache_extras is 
an essential part of our downloads, and not just extras.

Personally I think the SF solution is what we as ASF need, unless Infra prefer 
to host it on our own hardware, and do not have a problem with the download 
bandwidth.

Can I please politely ask the people, who says (or others say) they are working 
on this theme, to come to a decision. This seems to be a matter where a single 
person could make the decision but we still continue discussing.



 Regards,
   Andrea.



Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

2015-03-12 Thread Jim Jagielski
Yes, Roberto offered to have SF host an Apache Neighborhood (??)
for us, to replace Apache-Extras. I put he and David in touch,
since David was best to know what exactly we needed and what
the division of labor should be.

If David lacks the time to follow-up, I very much volunteer to
take this up again.

 On Mar 12, 2015, at 4:35 PM, Ulrich Stärk u...@spielviel.de wrote:
 
 We reported about apache extras in September and November and both times we 
 were told that Jim,
 Ross, David and Roberto were working on it. Some time in October David asked 
 for feedback on a proof
 of concept, no news since then.
 
 Can you shed some light on who is driving this atm?
 
 Cheers,
 
 Uli
 
 On 2015-03-12 21:22, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
 Today Google announced that Google Code will be shutting down Jan 25, 2016.
 
 We need to create a replacement for Apache-extras. Can we please make sure 
 that progress on this
 is reported in the ComDev board report each quarter.
 
 I suggest the starting point should be to expand discussions with 
 SourceForge, they have offered
 neighborhoods in the past. David, with his infra hat, has been exploring 
 options for download
 provision already (I'm not sure of the current status).
 
 (and as a reminder, this is why we don't like to use services provided by 
 external companies)
 
 Ross
 
 Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation
 
 



Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

2015-03-12 Thread Christopher
I don't know the reasons for choosing SF, but I'd highly recommend
putting serious consideration into GitHub. It's quite pleasant to work
with, and although I'm not a part of the apache-extras, I think those
who are would be quite satisfied with it (that's just my personal
opinion, of course).

--
Christopher L Tubbs II
http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii


On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:37 PM, David Nalley da...@gnsa.us wrote:
 It is my understanding that moving to SF from Google Code is a ComDev
 decision. I have interacted with SF and then brought the PoCs they've
 done here, but AFAIK, no decision has been made.

 --David

 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
 ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
 Ahhh... I see no that's just code for I don't have time, but these folks 
 have shown interest ;-)

 I'm happy to help make sure we hit this deadline, but I'm not driving it.

 Ross

 -Original Message-
 From: Ulrich Stärk [mailto:u...@spielviel.de]
 Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:50 PM
 To: dev@community.apache.org
 Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

 *Really* moving board@ to BCC ;)

 You said you put people in contact with each other so I was under the 
 impression you were actively part of a group driving this.

 Jim, do you have any updates on the current status?

 Cheers,

 Uli

 On 2015-03-12 21:40, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
 Moving board@ to BCC

 I am *not* working on it. I have no idea who said I was (I do hope it
 wasn't me!)

 All I know is that Jim, David and Roberto are working on it, I don't
 know how actively but it is now a priority.

 I believe Jim is involved wearing his ComDev hat so (with his
 agreement) you can look to him for those updates. David is wearing his 
 infra hat and Roberto wears his SF hat.

 Ross

 Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft
 Corporation

 -Original Message- From: Ulrich Stärk
 [mailto:u...@spielviel.de] Sent: Thursday, March 12,
 2015 1:36 PM To: dev@community.apache.org Cc: bo...@apache.org
 Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

 We reported about apache extras in September and November and both
 times we were told that Jim, Ross, David and Roberto were working on
 it. Some time in October David asked for feedback on a proof of concept, no 
 news since then.

 Can you shed some light on who is driving this atm?

 Cheers,

 Uli

 On 2015-03-12 21:22, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
 Today Google announced that Google Code will be shutting down Jan 25, 2016.

 We need to create a replacement for Apache-extras. Can we please make
 sure that progress on this is reported in the ComDev board report each 
 quarter.

 I suggest the starting point should be to expand discussions with
 SourceForge, they have offered neighborhoods in the past. David, with
 his infra hat, has been exploring options for download provision already 
 (I'm not sure of the current status).

 (and as a reminder, this is why we don't like to use services
 provided by external companies)

 Ross

 Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft
 Corporation




Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

2015-03-12 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 12/03/2015 Roger and Beth Whitcomb wrote:

I was involved at one point on behalf of Pivot (where we have several
projects), and Andrea Pescetti on behalf of Open Office was also
involved (since they have a bunch of stuff there).  But things have gone
quiet for about 2 months.  There was a second prototype that looked
pretty good (to us).  But, I don't know the state of things now.


It was not me personally, but the OpenOffice project as a whole. We are 
now using http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/ in the 
OpenOffice trunk and it works for us (our needs are limited to storage 
of some optional build dependencies; for the record, Github won't allow 
that).


http://sourceforge.net/directory/apache_extras is the link to the latest 
proposal for an ASF-wide replacement. There was little interest all 
times the matter was discussed on this list, so OpenOffice just moved on 
and started using the SourceForge space.


Regards,
  Andrea.


Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

2015-03-12 Thread David Nalley
Infra doesn't use extras, or even administer it, so it seems strange for us
to have a stake in decision making. We are happy to help facilitate the
move (and hence our involvement thus far).

On Thursday, March 12, 2015, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) 
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:

 It seems there is confusion over who owns the decision. Happy for it to be
 ComDev if you are happy from infra perspective.

 Ross

 Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc.
 A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation

 -Original Message-
 From: David Nalley [mailto:da...@gnsa.us javascript:;]
 Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:37 PM
 To: dev@community.apache.org javascript:;
 Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

 It is my understanding that moving to SF from Google Code is a ComDev
 decision. I have interacted with SF and then brought the PoCs they've done
 here, but AFAIK, no decision has been made.

 --David

 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) 
 ross.gard...@microsoft.com javascript:; wrote:
  Ahhh... I see no that's just code for I don't have time, but these
  folks have shown interest ;-)
 
  I'm happy to help make sure we hit this deadline, but I'm not driving it.
 
  Ross
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Ulrich Stärk [mailto:u...@spielviel.de javascript:;]
  Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:50 PM
  To: dev@community.apache.org javascript:;
  Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016
 
  *Really* moving board@ to BCC ;)
 
  You said you put people in contact with each other so I was under the
 impression you were actively part of a group driving this.
 
  Jim, do you have any updates on the current status?
 
  Cheers,
 
  Uli
 
  On 2015-03-12 21:40, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
  Moving board@ to BCC
 
  I am *not* working on it. I have no idea who said I was (I do hope it
  wasn't me!)
 
  All I know is that Jim, David and Roberto are working on it, I don't
  know how actively but it is now a priority.
 
  I believe Jim is involved wearing his ComDev hat so (with his
  agreement) you can look to him for those updates. David is wearing his
 infra hat and Roberto wears his SF hat.
 
  Ross
 
  Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft
  Corporation
 
  -Original Message- From: Ulrich Stärk
  [mailto:u...@spielviel.de javascript:;] Sent: Thursday, March 12,
  2015 1:36 PM To: dev@community.apache.org javascript:; Cc:
 bo...@apache.org javascript:;
  Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016
 
  We reported about apache extras in September and November and both
  times we were told that Jim, Ross, David and Roberto were working on
  it. Some time in October David asked for feedback on a proof of
 concept, no news since then.
 
  Can you shed some light on who is driving this atm?
 
  Cheers,
 
  Uli
 
  On 2015-03-12 21:22, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
  Today Google announced that Google Code will be shutting down Jan 25,
 2016.
 
  We need to create a replacement for Apache-extras. Can we please
  make sure that progress on this is reported in the ComDev board report
 each quarter.
 
  I suggest the starting point should be to expand discussions with
  SourceForge, they have offered neighborhoods in the past. David,
  with his infra hat, has been exploring options for download provision
 already (I'm not sure of the current status).
 
  (and as a reminder, this is why we don't like to use services
  provided by external companies)
 
  Ross
 
  Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft
  Corporation
 
 



Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

2015-03-12 Thread jan i
On 12 March 2015 at 23:08, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) 
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:

 This has nothing to do with the AOO downloads, it only affects
 apache-extras. As far as I'm aware AOO downloads have been fine for a very
 long time - has that changed?

No it has not changed, but maybe I did not use the right words.

Our primary binaries (the executable) for real endusers are downloaded
from SF, but we have plenty of stuff on apache_extra (ooo extras)  which
can be and are downloaded. Currently most of ooo_extras are targeted at
developers and not end-users, and especially that part of our community is
something we do not want to hurt.

rgds
jan i.





 Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc.
 A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation

 -Original Message-
 From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org]
 Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 3:06 PM
 To: dev@community.apache.org
 Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

 On 12 March 2015 at 22:55, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:

  On 12/03/2015 Roger and Beth Whitcomb wrote:
 
  I was involved at one point on behalf of Pivot (where we have several
  projects), and Andrea Pescetti on behalf of Open Office was also
  involved (since they have a bunch of stuff there).  But things have
  gone quiet for about 2 months.  There was a second prototype that
  looked pretty good (to us).  But, I don't know the state of things now.
 
 
  It was not me personally, but the OpenOffice project as a whole. We
  are now using http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/
  in the OpenOffice trunk and it works for us (our needs are limited to
  storage of some optional build dependencies; for the record, Github
 won't allow that).
 
  http://sourceforge.net/directory/apache_extras is the link to the
  latest proposal for an ASF-wide replacement. There was little interest
  all times the matter was discussed on this list, so OpenOffice just
  moved on and started using the SourceForge space.
 

 I support Andrea strongly here, AOO need a decision on this, apache_extras
 is an essential part of our downloads, and not just extras.

 Personally I think the SF solution is what we as ASF need, unless Infra
 prefer to host it on our own hardware, and do not have a problem with the
 download bandwidth.

 Can I please politely ask the people, who says (or others say) they are
 working on this theme, to come to a decision. This seems to be a matter
 where a single person could make the decision but we still continue
 discussing.


 
  Regards,
Andrea.
 



RE: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

2015-03-12 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
Right, thanks David, I'm not sure where this confusion came from but it is 
cleared up now.

Let me ping Jim and Roberto offlist and we'll have something concrete to get to 
Uli in the next report.

Ross

Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc.
A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation

-Original Message-
From: David Nalley [mailto:da...@gnsa.us] 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 3:16 PM
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

Infra doesn't use extras, or even administer it, so it seems strange for us to 
have a stake in decision making. We are happy to help facilitate the move (and 
hence our involvement thus far).

On Thursday, March 12, 2015, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)  
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:

 It seems there is confusion over who owns the decision. Happy for it 
 to be ComDev if you are happy from infra perspective.

 Ross

 Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc.
 A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation

 -Original Message-
 From: David Nalley [mailto:da...@gnsa.us javascript:;]
 Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:37 PM
 To: dev@community.apache.org javascript:;
 Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

 It is my understanding that moving to SF from Google Code is a ComDev 
 decision. I have interacted with SF and then brought the PoCs they've 
 done here, but AFAIK, no decision has been made.

 --David

 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)  
 ross.gard...@microsoft.com javascript:; wrote:
  Ahhh... I see no that's just code for I don't have time, but these 
  folks have shown interest ;-)
 
  I'm happy to help make sure we hit this deadline, but I'm not driving it.
 
  Ross
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Ulrich Stärk [mailto:u...@spielviel.de javascript:;]
  Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:50 PM
  To: dev@community.apache.org javascript:;
  Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016
 
  *Really* moving board@ to BCC ;)
 
  You said you put people in contact with each other so I was under 
  the
 impression you were actively part of a group driving this.
 
  Jim, do you have any updates on the current status?
 
  Cheers,
 
  Uli
 
  On 2015-03-12 21:40, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
  Moving board@ to BCC
 
  I am *not* working on it. I have no idea who said I was (I do hope 
  it wasn't me!)
 
  All I know is that Jim, David and Roberto are working on it, I 
  don't know how actively but it is now a priority.
 
  I believe Jim is involved wearing his ComDev hat so (with his
  agreement) you can look to him for those updates. David is wearing 
  his
 infra hat and Roberto wears his SF hat.
 
  Ross
 
  Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft 
  Corporation
 
  -Original Message- From: Ulrich Stärk 
  [mailto:u...@spielviel.de javascript:;] Sent: Thursday, March 12,
  2015 1:36 PM To: dev@community.apache.org javascript:; Cc:
 bo...@apache.org javascript:;
  Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016
 
  We reported about apache extras in September and November and both 
  times we were told that Jim, Ross, David and Roberto were working 
  on it. Some time in October David asked for feedback on a proof of
 concept, no news since then.
 
  Can you shed some light on who is driving this atm?
 
  Cheers,
 
  Uli
 
  On 2015-03-12 21:22, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
  Today Google announced that Google Code will be shutting down Jan 
  25,
 2016.
 
  We need to create a replacement for Apache-extras. Can we please 
  make sure that progress on this is reported in the ComDev board 
  report
 each quarter.
 
  I suggest the starting point should be to expand discussions with 
  SourceForge, they have offered neighborhoods in the past. David, 
  with his infra hat, has been exploring options for download 
  provision
 already (I'm not sure of the current status).
 
  (and as a reminder, this is why we don't like to use services 
  provided by external companies)
 
  Ross
 
  Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft 
  Corporation
 
 



RE: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

2015-03-12 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
Discussion on ComDev has cleared up the confusion. Jim, you and I are on point. 
There's a mail in your inbox and we will report through ComDev.

Ross


-Original Message-
From: Jim Jagielski [mailto:j...@jagunet.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 3:50 PM
To: dev@community.apache.org
Cc: Apache Board
Subject: Re: Google Code shutting down Jan 2016

Yes, Roberto offered to have SF host an Apache Neighborhood (??) for us, to 
replace Apache-Extras. I put he and David in touch, since David was best to 
know what exactly we needed and what the division of labor should be.

If David lacks the time to follow-up, I very much volunteer to take this up 
again.

 On Mar 12, 2015, at 4:35 PM, Ulrich Stärk u...@spielviel.de wrote:
 
 We reported about apache extras in September and November and both 
 times we were told that Jim, Ross, David and Roberto were working on 
 it. Some time in October David asked for feedback on a proof of concept, no 
 news since then.
 
 Can you shed some light on who is driving this atm?
 
 Cheers,
 
 Uli
 
 On 2015-03-12 21:22, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
 Today Google announced that Google Code will be shutting down Jan 25, 2016.
 
 We need to create a replacement for Apache-extras. Can we please make 
 sure that progress on this is reported in the ComDev board report each 
 quarter.
 
 I suggest the starting point should be to expand discussions with 
 SourceForge, they have offered neighborhoods in the past. David, with 
 his infra hat, has been exploring options for download provision already 
 (I'm not sure of the current status).
 
 (and as a reminder, this is why we don't like to use services 
 provided by external companies)
 
 Ross
 
 Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft 
 Corporation