Re: Question: how to property fork an apache project
No, the ASF will not provide legal advice for this. But have you considered getting a 3rd person involved, and having a viable PMC instead? -- Kevin A. McGrail Member, Apache Software Foundation Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 703.798.0171 On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:22 PM Otto Fowler wrote: > Ok, > > I make sure we do our best to comply to the distributed works clauses. > Would there be a way to have the result checked by Apache? > > > > > On October 22, 2020 at 16:14:20, Mark Thomas (ma...@apache.org) wrote: > > Hi, > > Putting on my VP Brand Hat... > > On one level, forking is easy - just follow the terms of the ALv2. The > TL;DR version is as Bertrand describes, copy the code, change the name, > keep the NOTICE file (which credits the ASF) and job done. > > The above is an over simplification for most cases. For example, if the > code is Java code then it really needs to move out of the org.apache > namespace ASAP but that can create backwards compatibility issues. > > The possibility *may* exist where you can keep the name. i.e. if the > code is "Apache Foo" you *might* be able to continue to call it "Foo" > (there is no way you can continue to use "Apache Foo"). > > If you are interested in exploring the possibility of continuing to use > the "Foo" name, please drop an email to tradema...@apache.org with > specific details of the (sub-)project we are talking about and we can > see what the options are (everything is a case-by-case basis for this > sort of thing). > > Mark > > > On 22/10/2020 17:18, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 6:08 PM Otto Fowler > wrote: > >> ...I am on the PMC of an Apache project that looks like it is heading to > the > >> attic. We have a sub project that I and at least one other committer > would > >> like to fork out of Apache in order to continue development > > > > One similar case that I remember is iBatis back in 2010, see [1] and > > [2] - others might have more information, there's probably been other > > cases among the projects listed at http://attic.apache.org/ > > > > I think the key element is trademark, the ASF license allows forking > > but project names belong to the ASF. > > > > -Bertrand > > > > [1] > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ed0193921b211d8c1a6756859624b89445e46db8ffeaea14455e78f3%401274428444%40%3Cdev.ibatis.apache.org%3E > > > > [2] https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/iBATIS.html > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org >
Re: Question: how to property fork an apache project
Ok, I make sure we do our best to comply to the distributed works clauses. Would there be a way to have the result checked by Apache? On October 22, 2020 at 16:14:20, Mark Thomas (ma...@apache.org) wrote: Hi, Putting on my VP Brand Hat... On one level, forking is easy - just follow the terms of the ALv2. The TL;DR version is as Bertrand describes, copy the code, change the name, keep the NOTICE file (which credits the ASF) and job done. The above is an over simplification for most cases. For example, if the code is Java code then it really needs to move out of the org.apache namespace ASAP but that can create backwards compatibility issues. The possibility *may* exist where you can keep the name. i.e. if the code is "Apache Foo" you *might* be able to continue to call it "Foo" (there is no way you can continue to use "Apache Foo"). If you are interested in exploring the possibility of continuing to use the "Foo" name, please drop an email to tradema...@apache.org with specific details of the (sub-)project we are talking about and we can see what the options are (everything is a case-by-case basis for this sort of thing). Mark On 22/10/2020 17:18, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 6:08 PM Otto Fowler wrote: >> ...I am on the PMC of an Apache project that looks like it is heading to the >> attic. We have a sub project that I and at least one other committer would >> like to fork out of Apache in order to continue development > > One similar case that I remember is iBatis back in 2010, see [1] and > [2] - others might have more information, there's probably been other > cases among the projects listed at http://attic.apache.org/ > > I think the key element is trademark, the ASF license allows forking > but project names belong to the ASF. > > -Bertrand > > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ed0193921b211d8c1a6756859624b89445e46db8ffeaea14455e78f3%401274428444%40%3Cdev.ibatis.apache.org%3E > > [2] https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/iBATIS.html > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: Question: how to property fork an apache project
Hi, Putting on my VP Brand Hat... On one level, forking is easy - just follow the terms of the ALv2. The TL;DR version is as Bertrand describes, copy the code, change the name, keep the NOTICE file (which credits the ASF) and job done. The above is an over simplification for most cases. For example, if the code is Java code then it really needs to move out of the org.apache namespace ASAP but that can create backwards compatibility issues. The possibility *may* exist where you can keep the name. i.e. if the code is "Apache Foo" you *might* be able to continue to call it "Foo" (there is no way you can continue to use "Apache Foo"). If you are interested in exploring the possibility of continuing to use the "Foo" name, please drop an email to tradema...@apache.org with specific details of the (sub-)project we are talking about and we can see what the options are (everything is a case-by-case basis for this sort of thing). Mark On 22/10/2020 17:18, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 6:08 PM Otto Fowler wrote: >> ...I am on the PMC of an Apache project that looks like it is heading to the >> attic. We have a sub project that I and at least one other committer would >> like to fork out of Apache in order to continue development > > One similar case that I remember is iBatis back in 2010, see [1] and > [2] - others might have more information, there's probably been other > cases among the projects listed at http://attic.apache.org/ > > I think the key element is trademark, the ASF license allows forking > but project names belong to the ASF. > > -Bertrand > > [1] > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ed0193921b211d8c1a6756859624b89445e46db8ffeaea14455e78f3%401274428444%40%3Cdev.ibatis.apache.org%3E > > [2] https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/iBATIS.html > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: Question: how to property fork an apache project
Hi, On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 6:08 PM Otto Fowler wrote: > ...I am on the PMC of an Apache project that looks like it is heading to the > attic. We have a sub project that I and at least one other committer would > like to fork out of Apache in order to continue development One similar case that I remember is iBatis back in 2010, see [1] and [2] - others might have more information, there's probably been other cases among the projects listed at http://attic.apache.org/ I think the key element is trademark, the ASF license allows forking but project names belong to the ASF. -Bertrand [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ed0193921b211d8c1a6756859624b89445e46db8ffeaea14455e78f3%401274428444%40%3Cdev.ibatis.apache.org%3E [2] https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/iBATIS.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org