Re: What license are the ICLA and CCLA available under?
Hi all, thanks for your responses. I created https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-510 where this will hopefully be sorted out soon. Really feel a little bad for opening so many legal issues recently. Chris Am 25.02.20, 16:55 schrieb "Shane Curcuru" : Christofer Dutz wrote on 2020-2-25 6:32AM EST: > Hi all, > > I know this is a strange question, but what license are our ICLA and CCLA texts available under? > I am asking because I’m involved in a new Open-Source project which is licensing it’s stuff under the Apache 2.0 license. The project is organized under a different freshly founded foundation. I suggested we put in place a system with ICLAs and CCLAs and thought the Apache ones would work nicely … unfortunately they don’t have License headers ;-) > > Are our documents under Apache 2.0 License too? The only place to get a definitive answer is from the Legal Affairs Committee. https://www.apache.org/legal/#communications You should open a JIRA asking both about these specific documents, and about the case in general, so we can hopefully document this as a FAQ. Elsethread, while I agree the Apache-2.0 license is a bit odd applied to prose, my personal vote would be to treat everything the ASF publicly produces as licensed under Apache-2.0 unless explicitly otherwise noted. The simplicity of saying "Everything from Apache not marked is Apache-2.0" is a powerful statement (and much simpler to administer). -- - Shane Director & Member The Apache Software Foundation - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: What license are the ICLA and CCLA available under?
Christofer Dutz wrote on 2020-2-25 6:32AM EST: > Hi all, > > I know this is a strange question, but what license are our ICLA and CCLA > texts available under? > I am asking because I’m involved in a new Open-Source project which is > licensing it’s stuff under the Apache 2.0 license. The project is organized > under a different freshly founded foundation. I suggested we put in place a > system with ICLAs and CCLAs and thought the Apache ones would work nicely … > unfortunately they don’t have License headers ;-) > > Are our documents under Apache 2.0 License too? The only place to get a definitive answer is from the Legal Affairs Committee. https://www.apache.org/legal/#communications You should open a JIRA asking both about these specific documents, and about the case in general, so we can hopefully document this as a FAQ. Elsethread, while I agree the Apache-2.0 license is a bit odd applied to prose, my personal vote would be to treat everything the ASF publicly produces as licensed under Apache-2.0 unless explicitly otherwise noted. The simplicity of saying "Everything from Apache not marked is Apache-2.0" is a powerful statement (and much simpler to administer). -- - Shane Director & Member The Apache Software Foundation - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: What license are the ICLA and CCLA available under?
On 2/25/20 10:25 AM, David Nalley wrote: Our website footers proclaim content contained there are licensed under ALv2 When I asked legal about this (this was *years* ago, so may no longer be the current version) the opinion was that the ALv2 really can't be applied to prose. We had a similar question about the httpd documentation (and other projects, presumably) which was never really resolved to my satisfaction, either. Perhaps opinions have changed on this since then. On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 10:02 AM Rich Bowen wrote: FWIW, I asked this question years ago, and never got a clear answer. I think they are HJTI (http://drbacchus.com/hjti) but the real answer is that they do not have a license specified. That said, a LOT of organizations have taken them and changed a few words, and we're completely ok with that. It's possible that our legal folks have a more rigorous answer. On 2/25/20 6:32 AM, Christofer Dutz wrote: Hi all, I know this is a strange question, but what license are our ICLA and CCLA texts available under? I am asking because I’m involved in a new Open-Source project which is licensing it’s stuff under the Apache 2.0 license. The project is organized under a different freshly founded foundation. I suggested we put in place a system with ICLAs and CCLAs and thought the Apache ones would work nicely … unfortunately they don’t have License headers ;-) Are our documents under Apache 2.0 License too? Chris -- Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com http://rcbowen.com/ @rbowen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org -- Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com http://rcbowen.com/ @rbowen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: What license are the ICLA and CCLA available under?
Our website footers proclaim content contained there are licensed under ALv2 On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 10:02 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > > FWIW, I asked this question years ago, and never got a clear answer. I > think they are HJTI (http://drbacchus.com/hjti) but the real answer is > that they do not have a license specified. That said, a LOT of > organizations have taken them and changed a few words, and we're > completely ok with that. > > It's possible that our legal folks have a more rigorous answer. > > On 2/25/20 6:32 AM, Christofer Dutz wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I know this is a strange question, but what license are our ICLA and CCLA > > texts available under? > > I am asking because I’m involved in a new Open-Source project which is > > licensing it’s stuff under the Apache 2.0 license. The project is organized > > under a different freshly founded foundation. I suggested we put in place a > > system with ICLAs and CCLAs and thought the Apache ones would work nicely … > > unfortunately they don’t have License headers ;-) > > > > Are our documents under Apache 2.0 License too? > > > > Chris > > > > -- > Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com > http://rcbowen.com/ > @rbowen > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: What license are the ICLA and CCLA available under?
On 2/25/20 10:12 AM, Lars Francke wrote: This is a bit of a coincidence as I looked into this just today as well. The CNCF is one of the organizations that seems to have taken the Apache CLA: < https://github.com/cncf/cla/pull/3/files#diff-04c6e90faac2675aa89e2176d2eec7d8 Yeah, OpenStack did also - although they later abandoned it. -- Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com http://rcbowen.com/ @rbowen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: What license are the ICLA and CCLA available under?
This is a bit of a coincidence as I looked into this just today as well. The CNCF is one of the organizations that seems to have taken the Apache CLA: < https://github.com/cncf/cla/pull/3/files#diff-04c6e90faac2675aa89e2176d2eec7d8 > On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 4:02 PM Rich Bowen wrote: > FWIW, I asked this question years ago, and never got a clear answer. I > think they are HJTI (http://drbacchus.com/hjti) but the real answer is > that they do not have a license specified. That said, a LOT of > organizations have taken them and changed a few words, and we're > completely ok with that. > > It's possible that our legal folks have a more rigorous answer. > > On 2/25/20 6:32 AM, Christofer Dutz wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I know this is a strange question, but what license are our ICLA and > CCLA texts available under? > > I am asking because I’m involved in a new Open-Source project which is > licensing it’s stuff under the Apache 2.0 license. The project is organized > under a different freshly founded foundation. I suggested we put in place a > system with ICLAs and CCLAs and thought the Apache ones would work nicely … > unfortunately they don’t have License headers ;-) > > > > Are our documents under Apache 2.0 License too? > > > > Chris > > > > -- > Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com > http://rcbowen.com/ > @rbowen > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > >
Re: What license are the ICLA and CCLA available under?
FWIW, I asked this question years ago, and never got a clear answer. I think they are HJTI (http://drbacchus.com/hjti) but the real answer is that they do not have a license specified. That said, a LOT of organizations have taken them and changed a few words, and we're completely ok with that. It's possible that our legal folks have a more rigorous answer. On 2/25/20 6:32 AM, Christofer Dutz wrote: Hi all, I know this is a strange question, but what license are our ICLA and CCLA texts available under? I am asking because I’m involved in a new Open-Source project which is licensing it’s stuff under the Apache 2.0 license. The project is organized under a different freshly founded foundation. I suggested we put in place a system with ICLAs and CCLAs and thought the Apache ones would work nicely … unfortunately they don’t have License headers ;-) Are our documents under Apache 2.0 License too? Chris -- Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com http://rcbowen.com/ @rbowen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
