Re: [DISCUSS] TourDeFlex Release Candidate 3
Can we at least remove the stuff that we know does not work? It should be straightforward to just remove it from explorer.xml. Thanks, Om On Aug 20, 2014 9:00 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: On 8/20/14 7:30 PM, Justin Mclean jus...@classsoftware.com wrote: MX controls deal with that, but I don't think Spark controls do. So that would be a bug then? IMO, yes, but I think last time I looked into it, the load is done by OSMF which we can't change. They probably wouldn't want to use our mx.utils.LoaderUtil which the MX classes do. It might just be that we fix up the URL sent in by adding LoaderUtil to the example. -Alex
Re: [DISCUSS] TourDeFlex Release Candidate 3
Hi, Can we at least remove the stuff that we know does not work? It should be straightforward to just remove it from explorer.xml. We would need to cut a new RC to do that as the signatures would change if we made changes to the XML file. It not really on to deploy a file different to what was voted on. From what Alex says it looks like we can fix the broken ones on the site after deployment as it's just a path/spark/OSMF bug. Unless there are other broken examples I'm unaware of. Justin
RE: [DISCUSS] TourDeFlex Release Candidate 3
I do like that idea. And make it top of list to fix for next version. At least that way we keep the known bug away as an eye soar for those interested in flex. -1 vote for that Chris -Original Message- From: OmPrakash Muppirala bigosma...@gmail.com Sent: 8/20/2014 11:59 PM To: dev@flex.apache.org dev@flex.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] TourDeFlex Release Candidate 3 Can we at least remove the stuff that we know does not work? It should be straightforward to just remove it from explorer.xml. Thanks, Om On Aug 20, 2014 9:00 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: On 8/20/14 7:30 PM, Justin Mclean jus...@classsoftware.com wrote: MX controls deal with that, but I don't think Spark controls do. So that would be a bug then? IMO, yes, but I think last time I looked into it, the load is done by OSMF which we can't change. They probably wouldn't want to use our mx.utils.LoaderUtil which the MX classes do. It might just be that we fix up the URL sent in by adding LoaderUtil to the example. -Alex
The Flex PMC is broken
Hi, I've considered carefully and so rather than resigning from the PMC I'm going to see if I can fix it. Hopefully other PMC members can help me in this. If we can't fix it I'll reconsider my options. The PMC responsibilities are clearly spelt out here [1], first they are legal and secondary to they are to build community. We seem to be having a hard time with the second. IMO there's a few things that are broken currently: - Recent events where calls for votes are vetoed and the attitude that only certain types of contributions count towards committership. I'll be calling a vote to try and rectify this and stop this from occurring again. Our own guidelines spell out what we value for committership [2] - The forms of contribution are not limited to only code. It can also include code reviews, helping out users on the mailing lists, documentation, testing, etc. this matches with the Apache Way [3], which of one of the key concepts is communiy over code. - Lack of openness. There been a few things done in private. If there is a good reason for it, it should be brought up on the private list first and discussed. But if possible everything should be done in the open, to build community and trust. Just because something was done in a certain way during Adobe incubation doesn't mean it should be done that way again. Openness is a key concept of the Apache Way. - We only hear from a few voices. We are possibly in danger of falling below the 3 active PMC members required for a top level project when though we have 30+ PMC members. We need to encourage existing PMC member to speak up and be involved or try and recruit more PMC members. I'm open to ideas on how to make this happen. Thanks, Justin 1. http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html 2. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Guidelines 3. http://theapacheway.com
Re: Related to IDE
Your friend may be interested in reading about this campaign [1]. As you can see any amount is welcome, even no amount at all. [1] http://apache-flex-development.247.n4.nabble.com/New-public-Flex-related-campaign-td39682.html -- View this message in context: http://apache-flex-development.247.n4.nabble.com/Related-to-IDE-tp39862p39866.html Sent from the Apache Flex Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [JIRA](ISSUE #FLEX-34119) Dev review request
As far as I could tell mustella's tests weren't affected by the changes in HierarchicalCollectionViewCursor, HierarchicalCollectionView and LeafNodeCursor made to solve FLEX-34440, FLEX-34424, FLEX-34456, FLEX-34458, and the original FLEX-34119. I marked them all as resolved (including an extra one, FLEX-33054, which was describing one of the problems which caused FLEX-34119). What's the process by which we mark them as closed? For instance, do we do that once they make it into a release? On 11 August 2014 15:43, Mihai Chira mihai.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Brilliant, let's see what happens. On 11 August 2014 15:41, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: On 8/11/14 4:13 AM, Mihai Chira mihai.ch...@gmail.com wrote: I just ran mustella for AdvancedDataGrid, which should be the only component affected. Everything ran fine (Passes: 135, Fails: 0). I'm going to merge the branch code with develop. I guess that's when people can comment if they see any problems with the code. Awesome! I have my fingers crossed. When does the entire suite of mustella tests run in our CI? At every commit, or nightly? I think hourly after a commit, and also once a day. -Alex
Re: The Flex PMC is broken
Justin, Don’t you think it’s a bit extreme declaring the PMC broken because some people disagree with you? Part of building community is allowing for the fact that there are different points of view and just because there’s disagreement does not mean things are broken. In fact, a community without disagreement isn’t much of a community… ;-) Anyone who’s not subscribed to private will have no idea what you’re referring to, so I think the private list is a better place for this discussion. There are flaws and misrepresentation in each of your points, and I’d be happy to address them on the private list where the discussion has more context. Harbs On Aug 21, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Justin Mclean jus...@classsoftware.com wrote: Hi, I've considered carefully and so rather than resigning from the PMC I'm going to see if I can fix it. Hopefully other PMC members can help me in this. If we can't fix it I'll reconsider my options. The PMC responsibilities are clearly spelt out here [1], first they are legal and secondary to they are to build community. We seem to be having a hard time with the second. IMO there's a few things that are broken currently: - Recent events where calls for votes are vetoed and the attitude that only certain types of contributions count towards committership. I'll be calling a vote to try and rectify this and stop this from occurring again. Our own guidelines spell out what we value for committership [2] - The forms of contribution are not limited to only code. It can also include code reviews, helping out users on the mailing lists, documentation, testing, etc. this matches with the Apache Way [3], which of one of the key concepts is communiy over code. - Lack of openness. There been a few things done in private. If there is a good reason for it, it should be brought up on the private list first and discussed. But if possible everything should be done in the open, to build community and trust. Just because something was done in a certain way during Adobe incubation doesn't mean it should be done that way again. Openness is a key concept of the Apache Way. - We only hear from a few voices. We are possibly in danger of falling below the 3 active PMC members required for a top level project when though we have 30+ PMC members. We need to encourage existing PMC member to speak up and be involved or try and recruit more PMC members. I'm open to ideas on how to make this happen. Thanks, Justin 1. http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html 2. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Guidelines 3. http://theapacheway.com
RE: The Flex PMC is broken
Inappropriate to start a the sky is falling to an entire community. -Mark
Re: The Flex PMC is broken
Hi, Inappropriate to start a the sky is falling to an entire community. The sky issn't falling and we can fix it. Part of the key concepts of the Apache Way is openness and that's where I've decided to go. I welcome anyones ideas and constructive feedback. You you can email privately or move it to the private list if you think it's not for public consumption. Thanks, Justin
Re: The Flex PMC is broken
Hi, Don’t you think it’s a bit extreme declaring the PMC broken because some people disagree with you? I don't see it that way - there have many issues in recent months and we've had one other PMC member resign. Part of building community is allowing for the fact that there are different points of view I'm all for that. Anyone who’s not subscribed to private will have no idea what you’re referring to, so I think the private list is a better place for this discussion. If you feel it should be moved there start a thread, but some of the committers will not be able to see it. Thanks, Justin
Re: The Flex PMC is broken
Hi, Don’t you think it’s a bit extreme declaring the PMC broken because some people disagree with you? I don't see it that way - there have many issues in recent months and we've had one other PMC member resign. I happen to know that PMC member (it was me ;-)) and my resignation was for personal reasons totally unrelated to the issues Justin mentions. Justin, please take this discussion to where it belongs (private@); what you're doing now comes dangerously close to intentionally sabotaging the project because you couldn't get the other PMC members to agree with you. EdB PS. I've rejoined the PMC just to make sure there are enough active votes to make sure Justin doesn't do any lasting damage with this lashing out. -- Ix Multimedia Software Jan Luykenstraat 27 3521 VB Utrecht T. 06-51952295 I. www.ixsoftware.nl
The Flex PMC is broken
Hi, Don’t you think it’s a bit extreme declaring the PMC broken because some people disagree with you? I don't see it that way - there have many issues in recent months and we've had one other PMC member resign. I happen to know that PMC member (it was me ;-)) and my resignation was for personal reasons totally unrelated to the issues Justin mentions. Justin, please take this discussion to where it belongs (private@); what you're doing now comes dangerously close to intentionally sabotaging the project because you couldn't get the other PMC members to agree with you. EdB PS. I've rejoined the PMC just to make sure there are enough active votes to prevent Justin from doing any lasting damage with his lashing out. -- Ix Multimedia Software Jan Luykenstraat 27 3521 VB Utrecht T. 06-51952295 I. www.ixsoftware.nl
Re: installer
Hi, Thanks for bringing that to our attention. We've been having server issues on the Apache side. Should be ok now. Thanks, -Alex On 8/21/14 1:56 PM, Subscriptions subscripti...@leeburrows.com wrote: Hi All, Not sure if temporary or known issue but installer repeatedly fails to complete when selecting AIR/FP 15. Here's my log: Version 3.1.0 (windows) Using Locale: en_GB Fetched the SDK download mirror URL from the CGI. AIR version 15.0b Flash Player version 15.0b Creating Apache Flex home Creating temporary directory Downloading Apache Flex SDK from: http://mirrors.ukfast.co.uk/sites/ftp.apache.org/flex/4.13.0/binaries/apac he-flex-sdk-4.13.0-bin.zip Verifying Apache Flex SDK MD5 Signature The Apache Flex SDK MD5 Signature of the downloaded files matches the reference. The file is valid. Unzipping: E:\Code Library\Flex SDKs\New folder\temp\apache-flex-sdk-4.13.0-bin.zip Finished unzipping: E:\Code Library\Flex SDKs\New folder\temp\apache-flex-sdk-4.13.0-bin.zip Downloading Adobe AIR Runtime Kit for Windows from: http://labsdownload.adobe.com/pub/labs/flashruntimes/air//air15_sdk_sa_win .zip Finished unzipping: E:\Code Library\Flex SDKs\New folder/in/air15_sdk_sa_win.zip Installing Adobe Flash Player playerglobal.swc from: http://labsdownload.adobe.com/pub/labs/flashruntimes/flashplayer//flashpla yer15_playerglobal.swc Validating download: E:\Code Library\Flex SDKs\New folder/frameworks/libs/player/15.0/playerglobal.swc Flash SDK download failed -- Lee Burrows ActionScripter
Re:installer
Wow, it's Lee Burrows from Adobe, what a surprise~ I used to read some nice AS3 articles from him. My guts is telling me Adobe may finally want to update their Flash Builder product line, it's been too long, and desperately needs to be updated. I guess they want to test the latest Flex SDK with AIR/FP 15 first, then figure it out what to do with Flash Builder. Haha, it's just my silly guess, don't take it seriously : D DarkStone 2014-08-22 At 2014-08-22 04:56:16, Subscriptions subscripti...@leeburrows.com wrote: Hi All, Not sure if temporary or known issue but installer repeatedly fails to complete when selecting AIR/FP 15. Here's my log: Version 3.1.0 (windows) Using Locale: en_GB Fetched the SDK download mirror URL from the CGI. AIR version 15.0b Flash Player version 15.0b Creating Apache Flex home Creating temporary directory Downloading Apache Flex SDK from: http://mirrors.ukfast.co.uk/sites/ftp.apache.org/flex/4.13.0/binaries/apache-flex-sdk-4.13.0-bin.zip Verifying Apache Flex SDK MD5 Signature The Apache Flex SDK MD5 Signature of the downloaded files matches the reference. The file is valid. Unzipping: E:\Code Library\Flex SDKs\New folder\temp\apache-flex-sdk-4.13.0-bin.zip Finished unzipping: E:\Code Library\Flex SDKs\New folder\temp\apache-flex-sdk-4.13.0-bin.zip Downloading Adobe AIR Runtime Kit for Windows from: http://labsdownload.adobe.com/pub/labs/flashruntimes/air//air15_sdk_sa_win.zip Finished unzipping: E:\Code Library\Flex SDKs\New folder/in/air15_sdk_sa_win.zip Installing Adobe Flash Player playerglobal.swc from: http://labsdownload.adobe.com/pub/labs/flashruntimes/flashplayer//flashplayer15_playerglobal.swc Validating download: E:\Code Library\Flex SDKs\New folder/frameworks/libs/player/15.0/playerglobal.swc Flash SDK download failed -- Lee Burrows ActionScripter
Re: The Flex PMC is broken
Hi, I happen to know that PMC member (it was me ;-)) and my resignation was for personal reasons totally unrelated to the issues Justin mentions. I did not state the reason you left just that someone had. what you're doing now comes dangerously close to intentionally sabotaging the project because you couldn't get the other PMC members to agree with you. That is certainly not my intention - I want the PMC to try and fix these issues. If we can't even discuss these issues openly in a civil manner then we have another issue here as well. PS. I've rejoined the PMC just to make sure there are enough active votes Welcome back, good to see I've achieved one good thing already. Thanks, Justin
Re: [FlexJS] FlexJS installation
Hmm. Looks like a bug in installer.xml. Not that it should matter too much. We only cherry-pick a few things out of there. -Alex On 8/21/14 4:12 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala bigosma...@gmail.com wrote: I am trying to get back into FlexJS development after a while. One thing I noticed was when I was installing FlexJS via the Installer was, it was reusing the Flex SDK 4.12.1 from my local cache to create the overlay. Shouldn't it be using the latest version, i.e. 4.13.0? Thanks, Om
Re: The Flex PMC is broken
Hi, Obviously there a few things I can't say here re what has gone on on the private list. Your actions seem to indicate otherwise. Quite the opposite - please see the number and diversity of committers that I have put forward to vote on. Several of which have become productive members of the Apache Team. Good work people! Declaring the PMC broken and it needs to be fixed doesn’t leave room for an opinion that it’s not broken to start with. If that your opinion you are free to state it, IMO discussions of the private list seem to indicate otherwise. I’m not going into the details of a private discussion here This is not an isolated incident and that the call to vote has been vetoed 3 times. Issues about the PMC have also come up on the list before. Please check the mail archives. no one stated that specific types of contributions do not count. Yes they actually have. Openness has more than one meaning. While openness does mean visible, it also means freedom. If doing something “by the book” is too restrictive for a specific task, I think it’s ridiculous to say “my way or the highway”. There are many favours of open source, if Apache doesn't fit your style, you can always put something up on github under a different OS license or similar. Instead of saying “if possible everything should be done in the open”, a more reasonable approach is “as much as practical should be done in the open”. The second of which IMO hasn't been done. Sometimes doing things privately for a period of time is the best way to actually get it done, It may look that way but it the long run it's more effort, which of these would be easier: - Work on software in Apache, adding a files and fixes as required - Work in private, then have to go though a software grant and IP clearance process If you not a committer then the first may seem daunting, but it should be relatively easy for a motivated person to become a committer in a short amount of time and it's less work and pain than the second option. Of course quite often stuff is done in private and then comes to Apache via a software grant and that fine - as long as the PMC is involved in that process. I know I’ve hesitated to speak up because you’ve had very strong opinions and I’m not interested in making waves. There no need to make waves, discussion around these issue can be constructive or even insightful. Alternative viewpoints are welcome. I was not privy to the discussions prior to the member resigning You are if you look at the email archives. Thanks for your input, Justin
Re: The Flex PMC is broken
Hi, If I have a vision or idea for something and go ahead and build it [and/or try to donate it]; That is certainly one valid path to take, but it then it may need to go through a software grant and IP clearance. That's a cost you may need to incur if you want to bring software to Apache in that manner. Presumably, discussion can be had at the time of donation or sharing. Yep that should be the process. Thanks, Justin
