RE: Flash Player end of life

[Kessler CTR Mark J]

Justin,
Our experience shows Chrome asking to activate flash by right clicking to 
load the application, but that is not much of a deterrence.  In our case we 
have a standard html file embedding the swf app and not loading the swf 
directly.  It might have something to do with how prominent or given size 
dedicated to the swf.  I think the majority of support will drop in January, 
mostly based on receiving a new update to your browsers.  However, Microsoft 
will have a bit longer term support [1] mostly directed at enterprise users.



[1] 
https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2020/09/04/update-adobe-flash-end-support/


-Mark K

-Original Message-
From: Justin Mclean 
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 00:40
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Flash Player end of life

Hi,

I notice on [1] it states this:
In December, Chrome 55 will make HTML5 the default experience, except for sites 
which only support Flash

Which I assume means a URL ending .swf?

And on [2] it states:
Since Adobe is no longer supporting Flash Player after the EOL Date, Adobe will 
block Flash content from running in Flash Player beginning January 12, 2021 to 
help secure users’ systems.

If this is correct? If so that give a very limited window for "sites which only 
support Flash” to work.

Does anyone know anything different?

Thanks,
Justin

1. https://blog.google/products/chrome/flash-and-chrome/
2. https://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/end-of-life.html

Re: Flash Player end of life

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> I would already be interested in how Adobe can make the flash player no
> longer play SWF. 

I believe recent versions of the flash player have this feature built into 
them. I was pointed to this thread [1] which include info about how to change 
mmc.cfg to disable uninstalling and updating and add a white list. 

Something like this:
EOLUninstallDisable=1
SilentAutoUpdateEnable=0
EnableAllowList=1
AutoUpdateDisable=1
ErrorReportingEnable=1
AllowListUrlPattern=http://localhost/ 

For more info on the options see chapter 4 in [2]

> Also, in any case I believe that Adobe Air stays unaffected by this as well
> - and it's terribly easy to migrate a Flex Web Application to a Flex
> Desktop Application with Air. Does anybody know whether any of the EOL
> actions also apply to the Air runtime?

My understanding is that they do not.

Thanks,
Justin

1. 
https://community.adobe.com/t5/flash-player/adobe-flash-availability-after-2020/td-p/10929047?page=1
 

2. 
https://www.adobe.com/content/dam/acom/en/devnet/flashplayer/articles/flash_player_admin_guide/pdf/latest/flash_player_32_0_admin_guide.pdf
 

Re: Flash Player end of life

[John Cunliffe]

I would already be interested in how Adobe can make the flash player no
longer play SWF. For new versions this might work, but I don't think older
versions have this functionality yet. Thus I assume that older flash
plugins should still work, and equally that running in the Flash Projector
should still work.

However Adobe will no longer support Flash Plugin downloads, recommend
uninstalling, and there will be security updates for all OS which
effectively removes the browser plugins. Again, Flash Projector should stay
unaffected, right?

Also, in any case I believe that Adobe Air stays unaffected by this as well
- and it's terribly easy to migrate a Flex Web Application to a Flex
Desktop Application with Air. Does anybody know whether any of the EOL
actions also apply to the Air runtime?

kind regards
John

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On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 11:58 AM Mike Thompson
 wrote:

>
>
> On 2020/12/03 05:39:59, Justin Mclean  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I notice on [1] it states this:
> > In December, Chrome 55 will make HTML5 the default experience, except
> for sites which only support Flash
> >
> > Which I assume means a URL ending .swf?
> >
> > And on [2] it states:
> > Since Adobe is no longer supporting Flash Player after the EOL Date,
> Adobe will block Flash content from running in Flash Player beginning
> January 12, 2021 to help secure users’ systems.
> >
> > If this is correct? If so that give a very limited window for "sites
> which only support Flash” to work.
> >
> > Does anyone know anything different?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> >
> > 1. https://blog.google/products/chrome/flash-and-chrome/
> > 2. https://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/end-of-life.html
>
> I'd be very interested in any insight into this ...
>
> My current (developing) understanding is as follows:
> 1. Chrome will block loading the Flash plugin  (1-Jan-2021)
> 2. Even if somehow loaded, the Flash player will not load swf.
> (12-Jan-2021)
>
> Regarding point 1, as I understand it Chrome (Chromium?) calls home to get
> a list of out-of-date, unacceptable/blockable plugins.  And from 1/1/2021,
> this list will contain all versions of Flash.  So that means Chrome will
> not load the plugin.
>
> Regarding point 2, as I understand it, Adobe wants to cover itself because
> it is no longer doing security updates, so it wants to stop any Flash
> content from running on its players.
>
>
> Our problem is that we have an intranet-ish Flex app which runs within
> Electron and a local pepper flash player via DLL (ie. not downloading
> Flash).  And we thought we were safe from the apocalypse.  We have suddenly
> woken up to the fact that we are not, and that our application is just
> going to stop working.
>
> It seems the only solution is to licence an alternative Flash plugin from
> Harman (?sp)?
>
> Does anyone have any other work around or insights?
>
>

Re: Flash Player end of life

[Mike Thompson]

On 2020/12/03 05:39:59, Justin Mclean  wrote: 
> Hi,
> 
> I notice on [1] it states this:
> In December, Chrome 55 will make HTML5 the default experience, except for 
> sites which only support Flash
> 
> Which I assume means a URL ending .swf?
> 
> And on [2] it states:
> Since Adobe is no longer supporting Flash Player after the EOL Date, Adobe 
> will block Flash content from running in Flash Player beginning January 12, 
> 2021 to help secure users’ systems.
> 
> If this is correct? If so that give a very limited window for "sites which 
> only support Flash” to work.
> 
> Does anyone know anything different?
> 
> Thanks,
> Justin
> 
> 1. https://blog.google/products/chrome/flash-and-chrome/
> 2. https://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/end-of-life.html

I'd be very interested in any insight into this ... 

My current (developing) understanding is as follows: 
1. Chrome will block loading the Flash plugin  (1-Jan-2021) 
2. Even if somehow loaded, the Flash player will not load swf.  (12-Jan-2021)

Regarding point 1, as I understand it Chrome (Chromium?) calls home to get a 
list of out-of-date, unacceptable/blockable plugins.  And from 1/1/2021, this 
list will contain all versions of Flash.  So that means Chrome will not load 
the plugin. 

Regarding point 2, as I understand it, Adobe wants to cover itself because it 
is no longer doing security updates, so it wants to stop any Flash content from 
running on its players. 


Our problem is that we have an intranet-ish Flex app which runs within Electron 
and a local pepper flash player via DLL (ie. not downloading Flash).  And we 
thought we were safe from the apocalypse.  We have suddenly woken up to the 
fact that we are not, and that our application is just going to stop working.  

It seems the only solution is to licence an alternative Flash plugin from 
Harman (?sp)? 

Does anyone have any other work around or insights?  

Flash Player end of life

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

I notice on [1] it states this:
In December, Chrome 55 will make HTML5 the default experience, except for sites 
which only support Flash

Which I assume means a URL ending .swf?

And on [2] it states:
Since Adobe is no longer supporting Flash Player after the EOL Date, Adobe will 
block Flash content from running in Flash Player beginning January 12, 2021 to 
help secure users’ systems.

If this is correct? If so that give a very limited window for "sites which only 
support Flash” to work.

Does anyone know anything different?

Thanks,
Justin

1. https://blog.google/products/chrome/flash-and-chrome/
2. https://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/end-of-life.html