Re: [VOTE] Drop Gelly
Hi everyone, The vote has passed already, as you can see in the result thread [1] Regarding mentioning continued support of graph processing, feel free to comment on the open PR on flink-web [2] on this. Thanks, Martijn [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/ng5t85t1lnmzrld4vvlk0mglq3fcgj50 [2] https://github.com/apache/flink-web/pull/577 On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 11:01 AM Jing Ge wrote: > +1 and I second Yu Li and Yun Gao. It should be also pointed out that Flink > will continue to support graph processing with a new plan in the upcoming > 1.17 release notes which includes the change of dropping Gelly in order to > let more developers and users be aware of it. > > Best regards, > Jing > > On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 10:32 AM David Anderson > wrote: > > > +1 > > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 10:59 PM Martijn Visser < > martijnvis...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > I would like to open a vote for dropping Gelly, which was discussed a > > long > > > time ago but never put to a vote [1]. > > > > > > Voting will be open for at least 72 hours. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Martijn > > > https://twitter.com/MartijnVisser82 > > > https://github.com/MartijnVisser > > > > > > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/2m6wtgjvxcogbf9d5q7mqt4ofqjf2ojc > > > > > >
Re: [VOTE] Drop Gelly
+1 and I second Yu Li and Yun Gao. It should be also pointed out that Flink will continue to support graph processing with a new plan in the upcoming 1.17 release notes which includes the change of dropping Gelly in order to let more developers and users be aware of it. Best regards, Jing On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 10:32 AM David Anderson wrote: > +1 > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 10:59 PM Martijn Visser > wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I would like to open a vote for dropping Gelly, which was discussed a > long > > time ago but never put to a vote [1]. > > > > Voting will be open for at least 72 hours. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Martijn > > https://twitter.com/MartijnVisser82 > > https://github.com/MartijnVisser > > > > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/2m6wtgjvxcogbf9d5q7mqt4ofqjf2ojc > > >
Re: [VOTE] Drop Gelly
+1 On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 10:59 PM Martijn Visser wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I would like to open a vote for dropping Gelly, which was discussed a long > time ago but never put to a vote [1]. > > Voting will be open for at least 72 hours. > > Best regards, > > Martijn > https://twitter.com/MartijnVisser82 > https://github.com/MartijnVisser > > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/2m6wtgjvxcogbf9d5q7mqt4ofqjf2ojc >
Re: [VOTE] Drop Gelly
+1 On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 10:49 AM Dong Lin wrote: > +1 > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 4:59 AM Martijn Visser > wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I would like to open a vote for dropping Gelly, which was discussed a > long > > time ago but never put to a vote [1]. > > > > Voting will be open for at least 72 hours. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Martijn > > https://twitter.com/MartijnVisser82 > > https://github.com/MartijnVisser > > > > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/2m6wtgjvxcogbf9d5q7mqt4ofqjf2ojc > > >
Re: [VOTE] Drop Gelly
+1 On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 4:59 AM Martijn Visser wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I would like to open a vote for dropping Gelly, which was discussed a long > time ago but never put to a vote [1]. > > Voting will be open for at least 72 hours. > > Best regards, > > Martijn > https://twitter.com/MartijnVisser82 > https://github.com/MartijnVisser > > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/2m6wtgjvxcogbf9d5q7mqt4ofqjf2ojc >
[RESULT][VOTE] Drop Gelly
Hi everyone, Happy to announce that the vote to drop Gelly has passed [1]. +1 Votes: - Yun Gao (binding) - Gyula Fóra (binding) - Niels Basjes (binding) - Konstantin Knauf (binding) - Maximilian Michels (binding) - Yu Li (binding) - Sergey Nuyanzin (non-binding) - Yun Tang (binding) Best regards, Martijn https://twitter.com/MartijnVisser82 https://github.com/MartijnVisser [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/to1nfxbyzfrgn4son6p4mxro7ns7343c
Re: [VOTE] Drop Gelly
+1 for dropping Gelly as a prerequisite for dropping deprecated DataSet API. Apart from asking contributors to join the flink-ML development, I'm not sure whether some old repo [1], which is already based on Flink's DataStream API, also wants to join the migration guide. cc @Vasia [1] https://github.com/vasia/gelly-streaming Best Yun Tang From: Sergey Nuyanzin Sent: Monday, October 17, 2022 14:19 To: dev@flink.apache.org ; Yun Gao Subject: Re: [VOTE] Drop Gelly +1 (non-binding) On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 5:50 AM Yun Gao wrote: > Hi Yu, > Very thanks for the suggestions and I also strongly > agree with that. Perhaps we could update the Gelly > documentation pages to also express the information. > Best, > Yun Gao > -- > From:Yu Li > Send Time:2022 Oct. 16 (Sun.) 18:30 > To:dev > Subject:Re: [VOTE] Drop Gelly > +1 > Thanks for the clarification Martijn and Yun. Hopefully we can document > somewhere that there is a plan (maybe long term) to introduce a replacement > based on the new iteration framework introduced in flink-ml (based on > DataStream API) after dropping the old Gelly library, and let our users > know that they could either use the old one, or join the community efforts > to build up the new one. > Personally I hope that we are not delivering a message that Flink won't > support graph processing anymore, unless this is exactly what we mean. > Best Regards, > Yu > On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 at 21:42, Maximilian Michels wrote: > > +1 > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 12:00 PM Konstantin Knauf > > wrote: > > > > > +1 > > > > > > Am Do., 13. Okt. 2022 um 10:56 Uhr schrieb Niels Basjes < > ni...@basjes.nl > > >: > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 11:00 PM Martijn Visser < > > > martijnvis...@apache.org> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > > > I would like to open a vote for dropping Gelly, which was > discussed a > > > > long > > > > > time ago but never put to a vote [1]. > > > > > > > > > > Voting will be open for at least 72 hours. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > Martijn > > > > > https://twitter.com/MartijnVisser82 > > > > > https://github.com/MartijnVisser > > > > > > > > > > [1] > https://lists.apache.org/thread/2m6wtgjvxcogbf9d5q7mqt4ofqjf2ojc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Best regards / Met vriendelijke groeten, > > > > > > > > Niels Basjes > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > https://twitter.com/snntrable > > > https://github.com/knaufk > > > > > > -- Best regards, Sergey
Re: [VOTE] Drop Gelly
+1 (non-binding) On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 5:50 AM Yun Gao wrote: > Hi Yu, > Very thanks for the suggestions and I also strongly > agree with that. Perhaps we could update the Gelly > documentation pages to also express the information. > Best, > Yun Gao > -- > From:Yu Li > Send Time:2022 Oct. 16 (Sun.) 18:30 > To:dev > Subject:Re: [VOTE] Drop Gelly > +1 > Thanks for the clarification Martijn and Yun. Hopefully we can document > somewhere that there is a plan (maybe long term) to introduce a replacement > based on the new iteration framework introduced in flink-ml (based on > DataStream API) after dropping the old Gelly library, and let our users > know that they could either use the old one, or join the community efforts > to build up the new one. > Personally I hope that we are not delivering a message that Flink won't > support graph processing anymore, unless this is exactly what we mean. > Best Regards, > Yu > On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 at 21:42, Maximilian Michels wrote: > > +1 > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 12:00 PM Konstantin Knauf > > wrote: > > > > > +1 > > > > > > Am Do., 13. Okt. 2022 um 10:56 Uhr schrieb Niels Basjes < > ni...@basjes.nl > > >: > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 11:00 PM Martijn Visser < > > > martijnvis...@apache.org> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > > > I would like to open a vote for dropping Gelly, which was > discussed a > > > > long > > > > > time ago but never put to a vote [1]. > > > > > > > > > > Voting will be open for at least 72 hours. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > Martijn > > > > > https://twitter.com/MartijnVisser82 > > > > > https://github.com/MartijnVisser > > > > > > > > > > [1] > https://lists.apache.org/thread/2m6wtgjvxcogbf9d5q7mqt4ofqjf2ojc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Best regards / Met vriendelijke groeten, > > > > > > > > Niels Basjes > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > https://twitter.com/snntrable > > > https://github.com/knaufk > > > > > > -- Best regards, Sergey
Re: [VOTE] Drop Gelly
Hi Yu, Very thanks for the suggestions and I also strongly agree with that. Perhaps we could update the Gelly documentation pages to also express the information. Best, Yun Gao -- From:Yu Li Send Time:2022 Oct. 16 (Sun.) 18:30 To:dev Subject:Re: [VOTE] Drop Gelly +1 Thanks for the clarification Martijn and Yun. Hopefully we can document somewhere that there is a plan (maybe long term) to introduce a replacement based on the new iteration framework introduced in flink-ml (based on DataStream API) after dropping the old Gelly library, and let our users know that they could either use the old one, or join the community efforts to build up the new one. Personally I hope that we are not delivering a message that Flink won't support graph processing anymore, unless this is exactly what we mean. Best Regards, Yu On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 at 21:42, Maximilian Michels wrote: > +1 > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 12:00 PM Konstantin Knauf > wrote: > > > +1 > > > > Am Do., 13. Okt. 2022 um 10:56 Uhr schrieb Niels Basjes >: > > > > > +1 > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 11:00 PM Martijn Visser < > > martijnvis...@apache.org> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > I would like to open a vote for dropping Gelly, which was discussed a > > > long > > > > time ago but never put to a vote [1]. > > > > > > > > Voting will be open for at least 72 hours. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Martijn > > > > https://twitter.com/MartijnVisser82 > > > > https://github.com/MartijnVisser > > > > > > > > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/2m6wtgjvxcogbf9d5q7mqt4ofqjf2ojc > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Best regards / Met vriendelijke groeten, > > > > > > Niels Basjes > > > > > > > > > -- > > https://twitter.com/snntrable > > https://github.com/knaufk > > >
Re: [VOTE] Drop Gelly
+1 Thanks for the clarification Martijn and Yun. Hopefully we can document somewhere that there is a plan (maybe long term) to introduce a replacement based on the new iteration framework introduced in flink-ml (based on DataStream API) after dropping the old Gelly library, and let our users know that they could either use the old one, or join the community efforts to build up the new one. Personally I hope that we are not delivering a message that Flink won't support graph processing anymore, unless this is exactly what we mean. Best Regards, Yu On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 at 21:42, Maximilian Michels wrote: > +1 > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 12:00 PM Konstantin Knauf > wrote: > > > +1 > > > > Am Do., 13. Okt. 2022 um 10:56 Uhr schrieb Niels Basjes >: > > > > > +1 > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 11:00 PM Martijn Visser < > > martijnvis...@apache.org> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > I would like to open a vote for dropping Gelly, which was discussed a > > > long > > > > time ago but never put to a vote [1]. > > > > > > > > Voting will be open for at least 72 hours. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Martijn > > > > https://twitter.com/MartijnVisser82 > > > > https://github.com/MartijnVisser > > > > > > > > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/2m6wtgjvxcogbf9d5q7mqt4ofqjf2ojc > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Best regards / Met vriendelijke groeten, > > > > > > Niels Basjes > > > > > > > > > -- > > https://twitter.com/snntrable > > https://github.com/knaufk > > >
Re: [VOTE] Drop Gelly
+1 On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 12:00 PM Konstantin Knauf wrote: > +1 > > Am Do., 13. Okt. 2022 um 10:56 Uhr schrieb Niels Basjes : > > > +1 > > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 11:00 PM Martijn Visser < > martijnvis...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > I would like to open a vote for dropping Gelly, which was discussed a > > long > > > time ago but never put to a vote [1]. > > > > > > Voting will be open for at least 72 hours. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Martijn > > > https://twitter.com/MartijnVisser82 > > > https://github.com/MartijnVisser > > > > > > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/2m6wtgjvxcogbf9d5q7mqt4ofqjf2ojc > > > > > > > > > -- > > Best regards / Met vriendelijke groeten, > > > > Niels Basjes > > > > > -- > https://twitter.com/snntrable > https://github.com/knaufk >
Re: [VOTE] Drop Gelly
+1 Am Do., 13. Okt. 2022 um 10:56 Uhr schrieb Niels Basjes : > +1 > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 11:00 PM Martijn Visser > wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I would like to open a vote for dropping Gelly, which was discussed a > long > > time ago but never put to a vote [1]. > > > > Voting will be open for at least 72 hours. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Martijn > > https://twitter.com/MartijnVisser82 > > https://github.com/MartijnVisser > > > > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/2m6wtgjvxcogbf9d5q7mqt4ofqjf2ojc > > > > > -- > Best regards / Met vriendelijke groeten, > > Niels Basjes > -- https://twitter.com/snntrable https://github.com/knaufk
Re: [VOTE] Drop Gelly
+1 On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 11:00 PM Martijn Visser wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I would like to open a vote for dropping Gelly, which was discussed a long > time ago but never put to a vote [1]. > > Voting will be open for at least 72 hours. > > Best regards, > > Martijn > https://twitter.com/MartijnVisser82 > https://github.com/MartijnVisser > > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/2m6wtgjvxcogbf9d5q7mqt4ofqjf2ojc > -- Best regards / Met vriendelijke groeten, Niels Basjes
Re: [VOTE] Drop Gelly
Hi all, For the successor of the Gelly library, currently in flink-ml we have already implemented a new iteration framework based on the DataStream API, which is necessary for a graph processing framework. It could also provide abilities like allowing for arbitrary states across rounds and asynchronous iteration that could help implementing more effective graph algorithms. Thus it looks to me that now we are ready to have a design of the new graph processing framework based on the unified DataStream API and replace the Gelly library built on the deprecated DataSet API. Best, Yun Gao [1] https://github.com/apache/flink-ml <https://github.com/apache/flink-ml > -- From:Martijn Visser Send Time:2022 Oct. 13 (Thu.) 15:52 To:dev Subject:Re: [VOTE] Drop Gelly Hi Yu, The vote is for option 1, remove all code and documentation of Gelly. For the current users, they can stay on a previous version of Flink which still contains Gelly. Since Gelly (and the DataSet API) haven't been touched in multiple releases, there's most likely no need for them to upgrade anyway. The source code is still available for previous versions, so moving it to an external repository doesn't seem to add value. I'm all for it if someone wants to drive a successor: that could be either done under the ASF Flink umbrella (then I'm looking forwarding to a FLIP) or of course as their own initiative under flink-extended. Thanks, Martijn On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 6:31 AM Yu Li wrote: > Hi Martijn, > > From the last replies of the previous discussion, I could see there are > still users using Gelly that expressed their wish to somehow keep this > module [1] [2] [3]. Therefore, Before giving my vote, I'd like to > confirm what "Drop Gelly" exactly means. Does it mean that 1) we remove the > codes and documents of Gelly completely, or 2) just move it out of the main > repository into a separate one and mark it as EOM (or maybe call for > maintainers), or 3) something else? And if the #1 option, is there any > replacement (or any plan)? Thanks. > > Best Regards, > Yu > > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/4yxb7xnb2070h5lypcd3wxnsck9zwz8f > <https://lists.apache.org/thread/4yxb7xnb2070h5lypcd3wxnsck9zwz8f > > [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/x21p382vjt6nrjnj51fxxtcrp1dqtzyz > <https://lists.apache.org/thread/x21p382vjt6nrjnj51fxxtcrp1dqtzyz > > [3] https://lists.apache.org/thread/w2f4yvb75tg5t7g3l7t9z6bvpwmd1t6y > <https://lists.apache.org/thread/w2f4yvb75tg5t7g3l7t9z6bvpwmd1t6y > > > > On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 at 10:56, Yun Gao > wrote: > > > +1 > > Best, > > Yun Gao > > ------ > > From:Martijn Visser > > Send Time:2022 Oct. 13 (Thu.) 04:59 > > To:dev > > Subject:[VOTE] Drop Gelly > > Hi everyone, > > I would like to open a vote for dropping Gelly, which was discussed a > long > > time ago but never put to a vote [1]. > > Voting will be open for at least 72 hours. > > Best regards, > > Martijn > > https://twitter.com/MartijnVisser82 <https://twitter.com/MartijnVisser82 > > > https://github.com/MartijnVisser <https://github.com/MartijnVisser > > > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/2m6wtgjvxcogbf9d5q7mqt4ofqjf2ojc > > <https://lists.apache.org/thread/2m6wtgjvxcogbf9d5q7mqt4ofqjf2ojc > > > >
Re: [VOTE] Drop Gelly
Hi Yu, The vote is for option 1, remove all code and documentation of Gelly. For the current users, they can stay on a previous version of Flink which still contains Gelly. Since Gelly (and the DataSet API) haven't been touched in multiple releases, there's most likely no need for them to upgrade anyway. The source code is still available for previous versions, so moving it to an external repository doesn't seem to add value. I'm all for it if someone wants to drive a successor: that could be either done under the ASF Flink umbrella (then I'm looking forwarding to a FLIP) or of course as their own initiative under flink-extended. Thanks, Martijn On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 6:31 AM Yu Li wrote: > Hi Martijn, > > From the last replies of the previous discussion, I could see there are > still users using Gelly that expressed their wish to somehow keep this > module [1] [2] [3]. Therefore, Before giving my vote, I'd like to > confirm what "Drop Gelly" exactly means. Does it mean that 1) we remove the > codes and documents of Gelly completely, or 2) just move it out of the main > repository into a separate one and mark it as EOM (or maybe call for > maintainers), or 3) something else? And if the #1 option, is there any > replacement (or any plan)? Thanks. > > Best Regards, > Yu > > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/4yxb7xnb2070h5lypcd3wxnsck9zwz8f > [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/x21p382vjt6nrjnj51fxxtcrp1dqtzyz > [3] https://lists.apache.org/thread/w2f4yvb75tg5t7g3l7t9z6bvpwmd1t6y > > > On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 at 10:56, Yun Gao > wrote: > > > +1 > > Best, > > Yun Gao > > ------ > > From:Martijn Visser > > Send Time:2022 Oct. 13 (Thu.) 04:59 > > To:dev > > Subject:[VOTE] Drop Gelly > > Hi everyone, > > I would like to open a vote for dropping Gelly, which was discussed a > long > > time ago but never put to a vote [1]. > > Voting will be open for at least 72 hours. > > Best regards, > > Martijn > > https://twitter.com/MartijnVisser82 > > https://github.com/MartijnVisser > > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/2m6wtgjvxcogbf9d5q7mqt4ofqjf2ojc > > >
Re: [VOTE] Drop Gelly
Hi Martijn, >From the last replies of the previous discussion, I could see there are still users using Gelly that expressed their wish to somehow keep this module [1] [2] [3]. Therefore, Before giving my vote, I'd like to confirm what "Drop Gelly" exactly means. Does it mean that 1) we remove the codes and documents of Gelly completely, or 2) just move it out of the main repository into a separate one and mark it as EOM (or maybe call for maintainers), or 3) something else? And if the #1 option, is there any replacement (or any plan)? Thanks. Best Regards, Yu [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/4yxb7xnb2070h5lypcd3wxnsck9zwz8f [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/x21p382vjt6nrjnj51fxxtcrp1dqtzyz [3] https://lists.apache.org/thread/w2f4yvb75tg5t7g3l7t9z6bvpwmd1t6y On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 at 10:56, Yun Gao wrote: > +1 > Best, > Yun Gao > -- > From:Martijn Visser > Send Time:2022 Oct. 13 (Thu.) 04:59 > To:dev > Subject:[VOTE] Drop Gelly > Hi everyone, > I would like to open a vote for dropping Gelly, which was discussed a long > time ago but never put to a vote [1]. > Voting will be open for at least 72 hours. > Best regards, > Martijn > https://twitter.com/MartijnVisser82 > https://github.com/MartijnVisser > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/2m6wtgjvxcogbf9d5q7mqt4ofqjf2ojc >
Re: [VOTE] Drop Gelly
+1 On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 at 04:56, Yun Gao wrote: > +1 > Best, > Yun Gao > -- > From:Martijn Visser > Send Time:2022 Oct. 13 (Thu.) 04:59 > To:dev > Subject:[VOTE] Drop Gelly > Hi everyone, > I would like to open a vote for dropping Gelly, which was discussed a long > time ago but never put to a vote [1]. > Voting will be open for at least 72 hours. > Best regards, > Martijn > https://twitter.com/MartijnVisser82 > https://github.com/MartijnVisser > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/2m6wtgjvxcogbf9d5q7mqt4ofqjf2ojc >
Re: [VOTE] Drop Gelly
+1 Best, Yun Gao -- From:Martijn Visser Send Time:2022 Oct. 13 (Thu.) 04:59 To:dev Subject:[VOTE] Drop Gelly Hi everyone, I would like to open a vote for dropping Gelly, which was discussed a long time ago but never put to a vote [1]. Voting will be open for at least 72 hours. Best regards, Martijn https://twitter.com/MartijnVisser82 https://github.com/MartijnVisser [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/2m6wtgjvxcogbf9d5q7mqt4ofqjf2ojc
[VOTE] Drop Gelly
Hi everyone, I would like to open a vote for dropping Gelly, which was discussed a long time ago but never put to a vote [1]. Voting will be open for at least 72 hours. Best regards, Martijn https://twitter.com/MartijnVisser82 https://github.com/MartijnVisser [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/2m6wtgjvxcogbf9d5q7mqt4ofqjf2ojc
