Re: Javamail 1.4 Version 1.9.0 proposal

2014-11-11 Thread David Jencks 
I think what you are proposing is great.  I never had time to wrap my head 
around javamail enough to do anything with it.  Getting the geronimo 
implementation to actually work with  James would be really nice.

thanks
david jencks

On Nov 11, 2014, at 1:16 PM, Hendrik Dev  wrote:

> original greenmail license discussion is here:
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/oozie-dev/201407.mbox/%3c40dcc9b8-5dff-4676-bcf5-7a11247cc...@apache.org%3E
> but you' re right, version 1.4 has a Apache licence:
> https://github.com/greenmail-mail-test/greenmail/blob/master/license.txt
> 
> But despite of that the feature discussion is the important one. Have
> not looked yet on greenmail 1.4 but i would like to use a "real"
> mailserver to test the javamail impl. and james seems to be the
> perfect candidate:
> its an apache project, its (mostly) rfc compliant, its suitable for
> unittesting and possibly synergy effects if the project use each
> other.
> 
> The big problem of geronimo javamail (impl, not spec) is the (almost
> complete) absence of unittests. Writing these should not be limited by
> a fake implementation like greenmail especially for testing IMAP
> (which is itself a mess already :-)
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Kevan Miller  wrote:
>> Hi Hendrik.
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Hendrik Dev 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Kevan,
>>> 
>>> thanks, wil try to split commits.
>>> 
>>> About greenmail replacement:
>>> Two reasons, mainly because greenmail does not support advanced imap
>>> features (like IDLE) and does not support some basics like Pop3 APOP and
>>> AUTH=PLAIN (both are buggy in the current geronimo javamail version) and a
>>> lot more. Other reason is the unclear license situation for greenmail.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks for the info. I have no problems with a switch to James. I just want
>> to see the change discussed. This helps others understand, both now and,
>> more importantly, in the future.
>> 
>> It's my understanding that there is a new greenmail release. I haven't
>> looked at it, but my understanding is that it should clear up the licensing
>> questions. Again, not arguing for or against. Just making sure facts are
>> laid out...
>> 
>> --kevan
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Hendrik Saly (salyh, hendrikdev22)
> @hendrikdev22
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Re: Javamail 1.4 Version 1.9.0 proposal

2014-11-11 Thread Hendrik Dev 
original greenmail license discussion is here:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/oozie-dev/201407.mbox/%3c40dcc9b8-5dff-4676-bcf5-7a11247cc...@apache.org%3E
but you' re right, version 1.4 has a Apache licence:
https://github.com/greenmail-mail-test/greenmail/blob/master/license.txt

But despite of that the feature discussion is the important one. Have
not looked yet on greenmail 1.4 but i would like to use a "real"
mailserver to test the javamail impl. and james seems to be the
perfect candidate:
its an apache project, its (mostly) rfc compliant, its suitable for
unittesting and possibly synergy effects if the project use each
other.

The big problem of geronimo javamail (impl, not spec) is the (almost
complete) absence of unittests. Writing these should not be limited by
a fake implementation like greenmail especially for testing IMAP
(which is itself a mess already :-)


On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Kevan Miller  wrote:
> Hi Hendrik.
>
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Hendrik Dev 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Kevan,
>>
>> thanks, wil try to split commits.
>>
>> About greenmail replacement:
>> Two reasons, mainly because greenmail does not support advanced imap
>> features (like IDLE) and does not support some basics like Pop3 APOP and
>> AUTH=PLAIN (both are buggy in the current geronimo javamail version) and a
>> lot more. Other reason is the unclear license situation for greenmail.
>
>
> Thanks for the info. I have no problems with a switch to James. I just want
> to see the change discussed. This helps others understand, both now and,
> more importantly, in the future.
>
> It's my understanding that there is a new greenmail release. I haven't
> looked at it, but my understanding is that it should clear up the licensing
> questions. Again, not arguing for or against. Just making sure facts are
> laid out...
>
> --kevan



-- 
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@hendrikdev22
PGP: 0x22D7F6EC

Re: Javamail 1.4 Version 1.9.0 proposal

2014-11-11 Thread Kevan Miller 
Hi Hendrik.

On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Hendrik Dev 
wrote:

> Hi Kevan,
>
> thanks, wil try to split commits.
>
> About greenmail replacement:
> Two reasons, mainly because greenmail does not support advanced imap
> features (like IDLE) and does not support some basics like Pop3 APOP and
> AUTH=PLAIN (both are buggy in the current geronimo javamail version) and a
> lot more. Other reason is the unclear license situation for greenmail.
>

Thanks for the info. I have no problems with a switch to James. I just want
to see the change discussed. This helps others understand, both now and,
more importantly, in the future.

It's my understanding that there is a new greenmail release. I haven't
looked at it, but my understanding is that it should clear up the licensing
questions. Again, not arguing for or against. Just making sure facts are
laid out...

--kevan

Re: Javamail 1.4 Version 1.9.0 proposal

2014-11-11 Thread Hendrik Dev 
In which parts of james you plan to use javamail? In my case i am only
using the protocol servers and only for the provider impl, not the specs.

On Tuesday, November 11, 2014, Eric Charles  wrote:

>  Good to see you are eating some Apache James here, but James would also
> love to use Apache Geronimo Mail, which could lead to dependencies clash
> (james depending on geronimo depending on james...).
>
>
> On 11/10/2014 05:38 PM, Kevan Miller wrote:
>
> Thanks Hendrik!
>
>  That's a lot of changes to digest. I'm not sure how you intend to commit
> them, but if it's possible/feasible, please commit in functional pieces.
> Not all at once...
>
>  Some explanation/background of the greenmail -> James replacement would
> be appreciated...
>
>  --kevan
>
> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Hendrik Dev  > wrote:
>
>> I did some work on Javamail 1.4  and want to discuss the changes
>> before commit them:
>>
>> - Replaced greenmail with apache james
>> - Added new testcases, more to come ...
>> - Fixed APOP authentication for POP3
>> - Starttls is now also working for POP3
>> - Some love for pom's
>> - Fixed issues:
>>
>> Support for properties mail..socketFactory and
>> mail..ssl.socketFactory
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-5429
>>
>> Support for property starttls.require
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-5430
>>
>> starttls.required is not supported by JavaMail
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-5873
>>
>>
>> You can review the proposed changes here:
>>
>> https://github.com/salyh/geronimo-javamail/commit/7bac5b296025a9de098428e88756c5b06ae44b2e
>>
>> or get the diff here:
>>
>> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/salyh/geronimo-javamail/7bac5b296025a9de098428e88756c5b06ae44b2e/svn.diff
>>
>> Site is here:
>> http://people.apache.org/~salyh/geronimo-javamail_1.4/1.9.0-SNAPSHOT/
>>
>> Thanks for your comments or feedback
>> Hendrik
>>
>> --
>> Hendrik Saly (salyh, hendrikdev22)
>> @hendrikdev22
>> PGP: 0x22D7F6EC
>>
>
>

-- 
Hendrik Saly (salyh, hendrikdev22)
@hendrikdev22
PGP: 0x22D7F6EC

Re: Javamail 1.4 Version 1.9.0 proposal

2014-11-11 Thread Hendrik Dev 
Hi Kevan,

thanks, wil try to split commits.

About greenmail replacement:
Two reasons, mainly because greenmail does not support advanced imap
features (like IDLE) and does not support some basics like Pop3 APOP and
AUTH=PLAIN (both are buggy in the current geronimo javamail version) and a
lot more. Other reason is the unclear license situation for greenmail.

On Monday, November 10, 2014, Kevan Miller  wrote:

> Thanks Hendrik!
>
> That's a lot of changes to digest. I'm not sure how you intend to commit
> them, but if it's possible/feasible, please commit in functional pieces.
> Not all at once...
>
> Some explanation/background of the greenmail -> James replacement would be
> appreciated...
>
> --kevan
>
> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Hendrik Dev  > wrote:
>
>> I did some work on Javamail 1.4  and want to discuss the changes
>> before commit them:
>>
>> - Replaced greenmail with apache james
>> - Added new testcases, more to come ...
>> - Fixed APOP authentication for POP3
>> - Starttls is now also working for POP3
>> - Some love for pom's
>> - Fixed issues:
>>
>> Support for properties mail..socketFactory and
>> mail..ssl.socketFactory
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-5429
>>
>> Support for property starttls.require
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-5430
>>
>> starttls.required is not supported by JavaMail
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-5873
>>
>>
>> You can review the proposed changes here:
>>
>> https://github.com/salyh/geronimo-javamail/commit/7bac5b296025a9de098428e88756c5b06ae44b2e
>>
>> or get the diff here:
>>
>> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/salyh/geronimo-javamail/7bac5b296025a9de098428e88756c5b06ae44b2e/svn.diff
>>
>> Site is here:
>> http://people.apache.org/~salyh/geronimo-javamail_1.4/1.9.0-SNAPSHOT/
>>
>> Thanks for your comments or feedback
>> Hendrik
>>
>> --
>> Hendrik Saly (salyh, hendrikdev22)
>> @hendrikdev22
>> PGP: 0x22D7F6EC
>>
>
>

-- 
Hendrik Saly (salyh, hendrikdev22)
@hendrikdev22
PGP: 0x22D7F6EC

Re: Javamail 1.4 Version 1.9.0 proposal

2014-11-11 Thread Romain Manni-Bucau 
2014-11-11 9:13 GMT+01:00 Eric Charles :
> Good to see you are eating some Apache James here, but James would also love
> to use Apache Geronimo Mail, which could lead to dependencies clash (james
> depending on geronimo depending on james...).
>
>

using crossed versions it is ok

>
> On 11/10/2014 05:38 PM, Kevan Miller wrote:
>
> Thanks Hendrik!
>
> That's a lot of changes to digest. I'm not sure how you intend to commit
> them, but if it's possible/feasible, please commit in functional pieces. Not
> all at once...
>
> Some explanation/background of the greenmail -> James replacement would be
> appreciated...
>
> --kevan
>
> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Hendrik Dev  wrote:
>>
>> I did some work on Javamail 1.4  and want to discuss the changes
>> before commit them:
>>
>> - Replaced greenmail with apache james
>> - Added new testcases, more to come ...
>> - Fixed APOP authentication for POP3
>> - Starttls is now also working for POP3
>> - Some love for pom's
>> - Fixed issues:
>>
>> Support for properties mail..socketFactory and
>> mail..ssl.socketFactory
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-5429
>>
>> Support for property starttls.require
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-5430
>>
>> starttls.required is not supported by JavaMail
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-5873
>>
>>
>> You can review the proposed changes here:
>>
>> https://github.com/salyh/geronimo-javamail/commit/7bac5b296025a9de098428e88756c5b06ae44b2e
>>
>> or get the diff here:
>>
>> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/salyh/geronimo-javamail/7bac5b296025a9de098428e88756c5b06ae44b2e/svn.diff
>>
>> Site is here:
>> http://people.apache.org/~salyh/geronimo-javamail_1.4/1.9.0-SNAPSHOT/
>>
>> Thanks for your comments or feedback
>> Hendrik
>>
>> --
>> Hendrik Saly (salyh, hendrikdev22)
>> @hendrikdev22
>> PGP: 0x22D7F6EC
>
>

Re: Javamail 1.4 Version 1.9.0 proposal

2014-11-11 Thread Eric Charles 
Good to see you are eating some Apache James here, but James would also
love to use Apache Geronimo Mail, which could lead to dependencies clash
(james depending on geronimo depending on james...).


On 11/10/2014 05:38 PM, Kevan Miller wrote:
> Thanks Hendrik!
>
> That's a lot of changes to digest. I'm not sure how you intend to
> commit them, but if it's possible/feasible, please commit in
> functional pieces. Not all at once...
>
> Some explanation/background of the greenmail -> James replacement
> would be appreciated...
>
> --kevan
>
> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Hendrik Dev  > wrote:
>
> I did some work on Javamail 1.4  and want to discuss the changes
> before commit them:
>
> - Replaced greenmail with apache james
> - Added new testcases, more to come ...
> - Fixed APOP authentication for POP3
> - Starttls is now also working for POP3
> - Some love for pom's
> - Fixed issues:
>
> Support for properties mail..socketFactory and
> mail..ssl.socketFactory
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-5429
>
> Support for property starttls.require
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-5430
>
> starttls.required is not supported by JavaMail
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-5873
>
>
> You can review the proposed changes here:
> 
> https://github.com/salyh/geronimo-javamail/commit/7bac5b296025a9de098428e88756c5b06ae44b2e
>
> or get the diff here:
> 
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/salyh/geronimo-javamail/7bac5b296025a9de098428e88756c5b06ae44b2e/svn.diff
>
> Site is here:
> http://people.apache.org/~salyh/geronimo-javamail_1.4/1.9.0-SNAPSHOT/
> 
>
> Thanks for your comments or feedback
> Hendrik
>
> --
> Hendrik Saly (salyh, hendrikdev22)
> @hendrikdev22
> PGP: 0x22D7F6EC
>
>