Re: [DISCUSS] Proposal to make the Yoko ORB a subproject of Geronimo.
A related question. We currently have a dependency in Geronimo 2.1 on Yoko 1.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT. We need to eliminate that snapshot dependency (and several others) before we can ship Geronimo 2.1. Assuming that active VOTE passes would is the possibility of releasing a 1.0 version of Yoko in time for Geronimo 2.1? I was just looking at the possibility of creating another local build for the Geronimo release but I think we could have an official release of Yoko in Geronimo if it becomes subproject of Geronimo. Does that sound feasible or should we create a private build for Geronimo 2.1? Joe Rick McGuire wrote: Below is a proposal that Matt Hogstrom, one of the mentors of the Yoko project, has put forward for moving on with the Yoko project. In a nutshell, the Yoko community has basically decided there is not a lot of continuing interesting in moving this project forward. This decision does have a major impact on Geronimo, as Geronimo uses the Yoko ORB was a key element to allow Geronimo 1.2 to support both the 1.4 and 1.5 JVMs, and also was a necessary element for achieving j2ee5 certification. The Yoko ORB gives Geronimo cross JVM portability which was not available before. At the current time, there's probably no suitable replacement that has all of the advantages that the Yoko ORB provides. In a nutshell, Matt's proposal is for the core ORB elements of the Yoko project become a subproject of the Geronimo project. These are the pieces of Yoko that Geronimo has a dependency upon. These are essentially the org.omg.* clases, the javax.rmi.* classes, plus the implementation classes backing those spec interfaces. Along with the subproject, there are 6 committers who have expressed interest in continuing to work on the core ORB code. 3 of the interested commiters are already Geronimo committers. Matt's proposal would grant the remaining 3 Geronimo committer status as well. There's one important caveat in assuming owership of this package. The core ORB is also used by the Harmony project to add CORBA and RMI support to the Harmony JVM. Included with assuming ownership of the package would be a commitment to keep the core ORB a standalone component. This means not adding direct dependencies on Geronimo and keeping dependencies on other packages to a minimum. This code is fairly stable now, and has already passed certification on multiple JVM instances, so I don't expect there will be a lot of overhead in supporting this. The bulk of the recent work to get this to pass certification have been done by Geronimo committers, so Geronimo is probably the most appropriate new home for this code. Anyway, this needs to have some discussion and be put to a vote. Below is the proposal that Matt posted to the Yoko dev mailing list about this move. The Yoko community seems very much in agreement that project does not have sufficient momentum to graduate from the incubator. Rick The members of project yoko have been considering the future of Yoko as a project. There have been several milestones delivered and the project is used by other ASF projects. The project is not as active as other ASF projects and it makes sense to move the code from Yoko to other projects. The Yoko team has the following proposal for your consideration. Proposed Code Donation from Project Yoko to Apache CXF and Apache Geronimo The Yoko community has been successful in delivering several milestones of the ORB implementation while in the Apache Incubator. These milestones are used by other Apache projects (namely Geronimo and Harmony) to support their releases. The WebServices bindings are dependent on CXF. The Yoko community has decided that the Yoko project does not have quite the momentum to carry itself as an independent project but has sufficient value for other projects for them to consider receiving the code and committers for that code-base as sub-projects. Since the code under consideration is used by Apache Geronimo, Apache CXF and Apache Harmony the movement of the code should continue to allow for independent releases so the code can be easily shared with other dependent projects. The proposed division is: yoko-spec-corba - this is the org.omg interface classes. rmi-spec - this is the javax.rmi spec implementation core - This is the actual ORB implementation. rmi-impl - This is the implementation of the RMIIIOP support. These modules are also used by Harmony. In addition to the code we propose that the following committers in Apache Yoko be accepted as committers in Apache Geronimo given their demonstration of delivering code, creating releases and functioning as a community. Those noted with asterisks are already Geronimo committers. Continued involvement with the core: Rick McGuire * David Jencks * Alan Cabrera * Lars Kuhne Alexey Petrenko Darren Middleman The remainder of the modules in Yoko are part of the webservices
Re: [DISCUSS] Proposal to make the Yoko ORB a subproject of Geronimo.
On Dec 6, 2007, at 8:05 AM, Joe Bohn wrote: A related question. We currently have a dependency in Geronimo 2.1 on Yoko 1.0- incubating-SNAPSHOT. We need to eliminate that snapshot dependency (and several others) before we can ship Geronimo 2.1. Assuming that active VOTE passes would is the possibility of releasing a 1.0 version of Yoko in time for Geronimo 2.1? I was just looking at the possibility of creating another local build for the Geronimo release but I think we could have an official release of Yoko in Geronimo if it becomes subproject of Geronimo. Does that sound feasible or should we create a private build for Geronimo 2.1? Lars Kuhne has some concerns about releasing v1.0. Maybe those have changed now that Yoko is in a different place. Regards, Alan
Re: [DISCUSS] Proposal to make the Yoko ORB a subproject of Geronimo.
I personally think we should go the local build route. Until the subproject's been integrated in Geronimo, it's still bound by the incubating release rules. I suspect getting a 1.0 release actually approved and out the door in time for 2.1 given the current state of the community is not something we'd want to depend on. The local build like we used for 2.0 is probably the best approach at this date. Rick Joe Bohn wrote: A related question. We currently have a dependency in Geronimo 2.1 on Yoko 1.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT. We need to eliminate that snapshot dependency (and several others) before we can ship Geronimo 2.1. Assuming that active VOTE passes would is the possibility of releasing a 1.0 version of Yoko in time for Geronimo 2.1? I was just looking at the possibility of creating another local build for the Geronimo release but I think we could have an official release of Yoko in Geronimo if it becomes subproject of Geronimo. Does that sound feasible or should we create a private build for Geronimo 2.1? Joe Rick McGuire wrote: Below is a proposal that Matt Hogstrom, one of the mentors of the Yoko project, has put forward for moving on with the Yoko project. In a nutshell, the Yoko community has basically decided there is not a lot of continuing interesting in moving this project forward. This decision does have a major impact on Geronimo, as Geronimo uses the Yoko ORB was a key element to allow Geronimo 1.2 to support both the 1.4 and 1.5 JVMs, and also was a necessary element for achieving j2ee5 certification. The Yoko ORB gives Geronimo cross JVM portability which was not available before. At the current time, there's probably no suitable replacement that has all of the advantages that the Yoko ORB provides. In a nutshell, Matt's proposal is for the core ORB elements of the Yoko project become a subproject of the Geronimo project. These are the pieces of Yoko that Geronimo has a dependency upon. These are essentially the org.omg.* clases, the javax.rmi.* classes, plus the implementation classes backing those spec interfaces. Along with the subproject, there are 6 committers who have expressed interest in continuing to work on the core ORB code. 3 of the interested commiters are already Geronimo committers. Matt's proposal would grant the remaining 3 Geronimo committer status as well. There's one important caveat in assuming owership of this package. The core ORB is also used by the Harmony project to add CORBA and RMI support to the Harmony JVM. Included with assuming ownership of the package would be a commitment to keep the core ORB a standalone component. This means not adding direct dependencies on Geronimo and keeping dependencies on other packages to a minimum. This code is fairly stable now, and has already passed certification on multiple JVM instances, so I don't expect there will be a lot of overhead in supporting this. The bulk of the recent work to get this to pass certification have been done by Geronimo committers, so Geronimo is probably the most appropriate new home for this code. Anyway, this needs to have some discussion and be put to a vote. Below is the proposal that Matt posted to the Yoko dev mailing list about this move. The Yoko community seems very much in agreement that project does not have sufficient momentum to graduate from the incubator. Rick The members of project yoko have been considering the future of Yoko as a project. There have been several milestones delivered and the project is used by other ASF projects. The project is not as active as other ASF projects and it makes sense to move the code from Yoko to other projects. The Yoko team has the following proposal for your consideration. Proposed Code Donation from Project Yoko to Apache CXF and Apache Geronimo The Yoko community has been successful in delivering several milestones of the ORB implementation while in the Apache Incubator. These milestones are used by other Apache projects (namely Geronimo and Harmony) to support their releases. The WebServices bindings are dependent on CXF. The Yoko community has decided that the Yoko project does not have quite the momentum to carry itself as an independent project but has sufficient value for other projects for them to consider receiving the code and committers for that code-base as sub-projects. Since the code under consideration is used by Apache Geronimo, Apache CXF and Apache Harmony the movement of the code should continue to allow for independent releases so the code can be easily shared with other dependent projects. The proposed division is: yoko-spec-corba - this is the org.omg interface classes. rmi-spec - this is the javax.rmi spec implementation core - This is the actual ORB implementation. rmi-impl - This is the implementation of the RMIIIOP support. These modules are also used by Harmony. In addition to the code we propose that the
Re: [DISCUSS] Proposal to make the Yoko ORB a subproject of Geronimo.
I agree and would support adding Yoko as a subproject and adding the 3 new committers. -Donald Kevan Miller wrote: On Dec 3, 2007, at 1:45 PM, Rick McGuire wrote: Below is a proposal that Matt Hogstrom, one of the mentors of the Yoko project, has put forward for moving on with the Yoko project. In a nutshell, the Yoko community has basically decided there is not a lot of continuing interesting in moving this project forward. This decision does have a major impact on Geronimo, as Geronimo uses the Yoko ORB was a key element to allow Geronimo 1.2 to support both the 1.4 and 1.5 JVMs, and also was a necessary element for achieving j2ee5 certification. The Yoko ORB gives Geronimo cross JVM portability which was not available before. At the current time, there's probably no suitable replacement that has all of the advantages that the Yoko ORB provides. In a nutshell, Matt's proposal is for the core ORB elements of the Yoko project become a subproject of the Geronimo project. These are the pieces of Yoko that Geronimo has a dependency upon. These are essentially the org.omg.* clases, the javax.rmi.* classes, plus the implementation classes backing those spec interfaces. Along with the subproject, there are 6 committers who have expressed interest in continuing to work on the core ORB code. 3 of the interested commiters are already Geronimo committers. Matt's proposal would grant the remaining 3 Geronimo committer status as well. There's one important caveat in assuming owership of this package. The core ORB is also used by the Harmony project to add CORBA and RMI support to the Harmony JVM. Included with assuming ownership of the package would be a commitment to keep the core ORB a standalone component. This means not adding direct dependencies on Geronimo and keeping dependencies on other packages to a minimum. This code is fairly stable now, and has already passed certification on multiple JVM instances, so I don't expect there will be a lot of overhead in supporting this. The bulk of the recent work to get this to pass certification have been done by Geronimo committers, so Geronimo is probably the most appropriate new home for this code. Anyway, this needs to have some discussion and be put to a vote. Below is the proposal that Matt posted to the Yoko dev mailing list about this move. The Yoko community seems very much in agreement that project does not have sufficient momentum to graduate from the incubator. Thanks for the summary, Rick. I'm certainly interested in seeing support for Yoko move forward. This seems like a positive move. It would have my support. After a brief review of the Yoko dev list archives and based on Matt's, and Alan's recommendations, I would support adding Lars, Alexey, and Darren to as Geronimo committers. Keeping Yoko as a standalone component is an easy decision, IMO. Hard to see it any other way... --kevan smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [DISCUSS] Proposal to make the Yoko ORB a subproject of Geronimo.
On Dec 5, 2007, at 2:22 AM, Rick McGuire wrote: Kevan Miller wrote: On Dec 3, 2007, at 1:45 PM, Rick McGuire wrote: Below is a proposal that Matt Hogstrom, one of the mentors of the Yoko project, has put forward for moving on with the Yoko project. In a nutshell, the Yoko community has basically decided there is not a lot of continuing interesting in moving this project forward. This decision does have a major impact on Geronimo, as Geronimo uses the Yoko ORB was a key element to allow Geronimo 1.2 to support both the 1.4 and 1.5 JVMs, and also was a necessary element for achieving j2ee5 certification. The Yoko ORB gives Geronimo cross JVM portability which was not available before. At the current time, there's probably no suitable replacement that has all of the advantages that the Yoko ORB provides. In a nutshell, Matt's proposal is for the core ORB elements of the Yoko project become a subproject of the Geronimo project. These are the pieces of Yoko that Geronimo has a dependency upon. These are essentially the org.omg.* clases, the javax.rmi.* classes, plus the implementation classes backing those spec interfaces. Along with the subproject, there are 6 committers who have expressed interest in continuing to work on the core ORB code. 3 of the interested commiters are already Geronimo committers. Matt's proposal would grant the remaining 3 Geronimo committer status as well. There's one important caveat in assuming owership of this package. The core ORB is also used by the Harmony project to add CORBA and RMI support to the Harmony JVM. Included with assuming ownership of the package would be a commitment to keep the core ORB a standalone component. This means not adding direct dependencies on Geronimo and keeping dependencies on other packages to a minimum. This code is fairly stable now, and has already passed certification on multiple JVM instances, so I don't expect there will be a lot of overhead in supporting this. The bulk of the recent work to get this to pass certification have been done by Geronimo committers, so Geronimo is probably the most appropriate new home for this code. Anyway, this needs to have some discussion and be put to a vote. Below is the proposal that Matt posted to the Yoko dev mailing list about this move. The Yoko community seems very much in agreement that project does not have sufficient momentum to graduate from the incubator. Thanks for the summary, Rick. I'm certainly interested in seeing support for Yoko move forward. This seems like a positive move. It would have my support. After a brief review of the Yoko dev list archives and based on Matt's, and Alan's recommendations, I would support adding Lars, Alexey, and Darren to as Geronimo committers. Keeping Yoko as a standalone component is an easy decision, IMO. Hard to see it any other way... Actually, I have a whole laundry list of things that could be done to Yoko to make it work better in the Geronimo environment that could mess it's ability to function as a standalone server if not done correctly. For example, it would be nice if Yoko could hook into the Geronimo thread pooling APIs. It's easier to ensure things like this are done in the correct fashion if the constraint of needing to remain standalone is stated right up front. You make a good point. We should be very explicit about the requirement that Yoko be standalone. Regards, Alan
Re: [DISCUSS] Proposal to make the Yoko ORB a subproject of Geronimo.
Kevan Miller wrote: On Dec 3, 2007, at 1:45 PM, Rick McGuire wrote: Below is a proposal that Matt Hogstrom, one of the mentors of the Yoko project, has put forward for moving on with the Yoko project. In a nutshell, the Yoko community has basically decided there is not a lot of continuing interesting in moving this project forward. This decision does have a major impact on Geronimo, as Geronimo uses the Yoko ORB was a key element to allow Geronimo 1.2 to support both the 1.4 and 1.5 JVMs, and also was a necessary element for achieving j2ee5 certification. The Yoko ORB gives Geronimo cross JVM portability which was not available before. At the current time, there's probably no suitable replacement that has all of the advantages that the Yoko ORB provides. In a nutshell, Matt's proposal is for the core ORB elements of the Yoko project become a subproject of the Geronimo project. These are the pieces of Yoko that Geronimo has a dependency upon. These are essentially the org.omg.* clases, the javax.rmi.* classes, plus the implementation classes backing those spec interfaces. Along with the subproject, there are 6 committers who have expressed interest in continuing to work on the core ORB code. 3 of the interested commiters are already Geronimo committers. Matt's proposal would grant the remaining 3 Geronimo committer status as well. There's one important caveat in assuming owership of this package. The core ORB is also used by the Harmony project to add CORBA and RMI support to the Harmony JVM. Included with assuming ownership of the package would be a commitment to keep the core ORB a standalone component. This means not adding direct dependencies on Geronimo and keeping dependencies on other packages to a minimum. This code is fairly stable now, and has already passed certification on multiple JVM instances, so I don't expect there will be a lot of overhead in supporting this. The bulk of the recent work to get this to pass certification have been done by Geronimo committers, so Geronimo is probably the most appropriate new home for this code. Anyway, this needs to have some discussion and be put to a vote. Below is the proposal that Matt posted to the Yoko dev mailing list about this move. The Yoko community seems very much in agreement that project does not have sufficient momentum to graduate from the incubator. Thanks for the summary, Rick. I'm certainly interested in seeing support for Yoko move forward. This seems like a positive move. It would have my support. After a brief review of the Yoko dev list archives and based on Matt's, and Alan's recommendations, I would support adding Lars, Alexey, and Darren to as Geronimo committers. Keeping Yoko as a standalone component is an easy decision, IMO. Hard to see it any other way... Actually, I have a whole laundry list of things that could be done to Yoko to make it work better in the Geronimo environment that could mess it's ability to function as a standalone server if not done correctly. For example, it would be nice if Yoko could hook into the Geronimo thread pooling APIs. It's easier to ensure things like this are done in the correct fashion if the constraint of needing to remain standalone is stated right up front. Rick --kevan
Re: [DISCUSS] Proposal to make the Yoko ORB a subproject of Geronimo.
Alan D. Cabrera wrote: On Dec 5, 2007, at 2:22 AM, Rick McGuire wrote: Kevan Miller wrote: snip Keeping Yoko as a standalone component is an easy decision, IMO. Hard to see it any other way... Actually, I have a whole laundry list of things that could be done to Yoko to make it work better in the Geronimo environment that could mess it's ability to function as a standalone server if not done correctly. For example, it would be nice if Yoko could hook into the Geronimo thread pooling APIs. It's easier to ensure things like this are done in the correct fashion if the constraint of needing to remain standalone is stated right up front. You make a good point. We should be very explicit about the requirement that Yoko be standalone. Yep, Corba is a significant part of the Java SE spec too and Harmony has been taking Yoko drops as part of our implementation. IMHO it doesn't make sense for us to fork the code and maintain it independently of Geronimo. Alexey (one of the proposed new committers) is on the Harmony PMC so can help keep things honest. Regards, Tim
Re: [DISCUSS] Proposal to make the Yoko ORB a subproject of Geronimo.
On Dec 3, 2007, at 1:45 PM, Rick McGuire wrote: Below is a proposal that Matt Hogstrom, one of the mentors of the Yoko project, has put forward for moving on with the Yoko project. In a nutshell, the Yoko community has basically decided there is not a lot of continuing interesting in moving this project forward. This decision does have a major impact on Geronimo, as Geronimo uses the Yoko ORB was a key element to allow Geronimo 1.2 to support both the 1.4 and 1.5 JVMs, and also was a necessary element for achieving j2ee5 certification. The Yoko ORB gives Geronimo cross JVM portability which was not available before. At the current time, there's probably no suitable replacement that has all of the advantages that the Yoko ORB provides. In a nutshell, Matt's proposal is for the core ORB elements of the Yoko project become a subproject of the Geronimo project. These are the pieces of Yoko that Geronimo has a dependency upon. These are essentially the org.omg.* clases, the javax.rmi.* classes, plus the implementation classes backing those spec interfaces. Along with the subproject, there are 6 committers who have expressed interest in continuing to work on the core ORB code. 3 of the interested commiters are already Geronimo committers. Matt's proposal would grant the remaining 3 Geronimo committer status as well. There's one important caveat in assuming owership of this package. The core ORB is also used by the Harmony project to add CORBA and RMI support to the Harmony JVM. Included with assuming ownership of the package would be a commitment to keep the core ORB a standalone component. This means not adding direct dependencies on Geronimo and keeping dependencies on other packages to a minimum. This code is fairly stable now, and has already passed certification on multiple JVM instances, so I don't expect there will be a lot of overhead in supporting this. The bulk of the recent work to get this to pass certification have been done by Geronimo committers, so Geronimo is probably the most appropriate new home for this code. Anyway, this needs to have some discussion and be put to a vote. Below is the proposal that Matt posted to the Yoko dev mailing list about this move. The Yoko community seems very much in agreement that project does not have sufficient momentum to graduate from the incubator. Thanks for the summary, Rick. I'm certainly interested in seeing support for Yoko move forward. This seems like a positive move. It would have my support. After a brief review of the Yoko dev list archives and based on Matt's, and Alan's recommendations, I would support adding Lars, Alexey, and Darren to as Geronimo committers. Keeping Yoko as a standalone component is an easy decision, IMO. Hard to see it any other way... --kevan
Re: [DISCUSS] Proposal to make the Yoko ORB a subproject of Geronimo.
On Dec 4, 2007, at 4:56 AM, Kevan Miller wrote: On Dec 3, 2007, at 1:45 PM, Rick McGuire wrote: Below is a proposal that Matt Hogstrom, one of the mentors of the Yoko project, has put forward for moving on with the Yoko project. In a nutshell, the Yoko community has basically decided there is not a lot of continuing interesting in moving this project forward. This decision does have a major impact on Geronimo, as Geronimo uses the Yoko ORB was a key element to allow Geronimo 1.2 to support both the 1.4 and 1.5 JVMs, and also was a necessary element for achieving j2ee5 certification. The Yoko ORB gives Geronimo cross JVM portability which was not available before. At the current time, there's probably no suitable replacement that has all of the advantages that the Yoko ORB provides. In a nutshell, Matt's proposal is for the core ORB elements of the Yoko project become a subproject of the Geronimo project. These are the pieces of Yoko that Geronimo has a dependency upon. These are essentially the org.omg.* clases, the javax.rmi.* classes, plus the implementation classes backing those spec interfaces. Along with the subproject, there are 6 committers who have expressed interest in continuing to work on the core ORB code. 3 of the interested commiters are already Geronimo committers. Matt's proposal would grant the remaining 3 Geronimo committer status as well. There's one important caveat in assuming owership of this package. The core ORB is also used by the Harmony project to add CORBA and RMI support to the Harmony JVM. Included with assuming ownership of the package would be a commitment to keep the core ORB a standalone component. This means not adding direct dependencies on Geronimo and keeping dependencies on other packages to a minimum. This code is fairly stable now, and has already passed certification on multiple JVM instances, so I don't expect there will be a lot of overhead in supporting this. The bulk of the recent work to get this to pass certification have been done by Geronimo committers, so Geronimo is probably the most appropriate new home for this code. Anyway, this needs to have some discussion and be put to a vote. Below is the proposal that Matt posted to the Yoko dev mailing list about this move. The Yoko community seems very much in agreement that project does not have sufficient momentum to graduate from the incubator. Thanks for the summary, Rick. I'm certainly interested in seeing support for Yoko move forward. This seems like a positive move. It would have my support. After a brief review of the Yoko dev list archives and based on Matt's, and Alan's recommendations, I would support adding Lars, Alexey, and Darren to as Geronimo committers. Keeping Yoko as a standalone component is an easy decision, IMO. Hard to see it any other way... These reflect my sentiments as well. Regards, Alan
