[jira] [Commented] (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=13101391#comment-13101391 ] Jason Rutherglen commented on LUCENE-2312: -- There are many important use cases for immediate / zero delay index readers. I'm not sure if people realize it, but one of the major gains from this issue, is the ability to obtain a reader after every indexed document. In this case, instead of performing an array copy of the RT data structures, we will queue the changes, and then apply to the new reader. For arrays like term freqs, we will use a temp hash map of the changes made since the main array was created (when the hash map grows too large we can perform a full array copy). > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: core/search >Affects Versions: 4.0 >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Attachments: LUCENE-2312-FC.patch, LUCENE-2312.patch, > LUCENE-2312.patch, LUCENE-2312.patch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] [Commented] (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=13095412#comment-13095412 ] Jason Rutherglen commented on LUCENE-2312: -- I'll post a new patch shortly that fixes bugs and adds a bit more to the functionality. The benchmark results are interesting. Array copies are very fast, I don't see any problems with that, the median time is 2 ms. The concurrent skip list map is expensive to add numerous 10s of thousands of terms to. I think that is to be expected. The strategy of amortizing that cost by creating sorted by term int[]s will probably be more performant than CSLM. The sorted int[] terms can be merged just like segments, thus RT becomes a way to remove the [NRT] cost of merging [numerous] postings lists. The int[] terms can be merged in the background so that raw indexing speed is not affected. > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: core/search >Affects Versions: Realtime Branch >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > Attachments: LUCENE-2312-FC.patch, LUCENE-2312.patch, > LUCENE-2312.patch, LUCENE-2312.patch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] [Commented] (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=13094368#comment-13094368 ] Simon Willnauer commented on LUCENE-2312: - jason, I will look at this patch soon I hope. Busy times here right now so gimme some time. thanks > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: core/search >Affects Versions: Realtime Branch >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > Attachments: LUCENE-2312-FC.patch, LUCENE-2312.patch, > LUCENE-2312.patch, LUCENE-2312.patch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] [Commented] (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=13090764#comment-13090764 ] Jason Rutherglen commented on LUCENE-2312: -- A benchmark plan is, compare the speed of NRT vs. RT. Index documents in a single thread, in a 2nd thread open a reader and perform a query. It would be nice to synchronize the point / max doc at which RT and NRT open new readers to additionally verify the correctness of the directly comparable search results. To make the test fair, concurrent merge scheduler should be turned off in the NRT test. The hypothesis is that array copying, even on large [RT] indexes is no big deal compared with the excessive segment merging with NRT. > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: core/search >Affects Versions: Realtime Branch >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > Attachments: LUCENE-2312-FC.patch, LUCENE-2312.patch, > LUCENE-2312.patch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] [Commented] (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=13064751#comment-13064751 ] Jason Rutherglen commented on LUCENE-2312: -- I had been testing out an alternative skip list. I think it's a bit too esoteric at this point. I'm resuming work on this issue, using Java's CSLM for the terms dict. There really isn't a good way to break up the patch, it's just going to be large, eg, we can't separate out the terms dict from the RT postings etc. > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: core/search >Affects Versions: Realtime Branch >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > Attachments: LUCENE-2312-FC.patch, LUCENE-2312.patch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] [Commented] (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=13019391#comment-13019391 ] Jason Rutherglen commented on LUCENE-2312: -- In the current patch, I'm copying the parallel array for the end of a term's postings per reader [re]open. However in the case where we're opening a reader after each document is indexed, this is wasteful. We can simply queue the term ids from the last indexed document, and only copy the newly updated values over to the 'read' only consistent parallel array. > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: Realtime Branch >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > Attachments: LUCENE-2312-FC.patch, LUCENE-2312.patch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] Commented: (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12979646#action_12979646 ] Jason Rutherglen commented on LUCENE-2312: -- {quote}The one exception to point-in-time-ness are the df values in the dictionary, which for obvious reasons is tricky.{quote} Right, forgot about those. I think we'd planned on using a multi-dimensional array, eg int[][]. However we'd need to test how they'll affect indexing performance. If that doesn't work then we'll need to think about other solutions like building them on demand, which is offloading the problem somewhere else. It looks like docFreq is used only for phrase queries? However I think paying a potentially small penalty during indexing (only when RT is on) is better than a somewhat random penalty during querying. > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: Realtime Branch >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > Attachments: LUCENE-2312-FC.patch, LUCENE-2312.patch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] Commented: (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12979633#action_12979633 ] Michael Busch commented on LUCENE-2312: --- bq. I believe the goal for RT readers is still "point in time" reader semantics. True. At twitter our RT solution also guarantees point-in-time readers (with one exception; see below). We have to provide at least a fixed macDoc per-query to guarantee consistency across terms (posting lists). Eg. imagine your query is 'a AND NOT b'. Say a occurs in doc 100. Now you don't find a posting in b's posting list for doc 100. Did doc 100 not have term b, or is doc 100 still being processed and that particular posting hasn't been written yet? If the reader's maxDoc however is set to 99 (the last completely indexed document) you can't get into this situation. Before every query we reopen the readers, which effectively simply updates the maxDoc. The one exception to point-in-time-ness are the df values in the dictionary, which for obvious reasons is tricky. I think a straightforward way to solve this problem is to count the df by iterating the corresponding posting list when requested. We could add a special counting method that just uses the skip lists to perform this task. Here the term buffer becomes even more important, and also documenting that docFreq() can be expensive in RT mode, ie. not O(1) as in non-RT mode, but rather O(log indexSize) in case we can get multi-level skip lists working in RT. > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: Realtime Branch >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > Attachments: LUCENE-2312-FC.patch, LUCENE-2312.patch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] Commented: (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12979631#action_12979631 ] Jason Rutherglen commented on LUCENE-2312: -- {quote}Is that right that future RT readers are no longer immutable snapshots (in a sense that they have variable maxDoc)?{quote} The RT readers'll be point-in-time. There are many mechanisms to make this happen that mainly revolve around a static maxDoc per reader while allowing some of the underlying data structures to change during indexing. There are two overall design issues right now and that is how to handle norms and the system.arraycopy per getReader to create static read only parallel upto arrays. I think system.arraycopy should be fast enough given it's a native instruction on Intel. And for norms we may need to relax their accuracy in order to create less garbage. That would involve either using a byte[][] for point-in-timeness or a byte[] that is recalculated only as it's grown (meaning newer readers created since the last array growth may see a slightly inaccurate norm value). The norm byte[] would essentially be grown every N docs. > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: Realtime Branch >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > Attachments: LUCENE-2312-FC.patch, LUCENE-2312.patch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] Commented: (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12979554#action_12979554 ] Michael McCandless commented on LUCENE-2312: I believe the goal for RT readers is still "point in time" reader semantics. > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: Realtime Branch >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > Attachments: LUCENE-2312-FC.patch, LUCENE-2312.patch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
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[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12979522#action_12979522 ] Earwin Burrfoot commented on LUCENE-2312: - Some questions to align myself with impending reality. Is that right that future RT readers are no longer immutable snapshots (in a sense that they have variable maxDoc)? If it is so, are you keeping current NRT mode, with fast turnaround, yet immutable readers? > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: Realtime Branch >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > Attachments: LUCENE-2312-FC.patch, LUCENE-2312.patch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
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[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12974264#action_12974264 ] Jason Rutherglen commented on LUCENE-2312: -- bq. DocValues == column stride fields Ok, that makes sense! I'm going to leave this alone for now, however I agree that ideally we'd leave TOVC alone and at a higher level intermix the ord and non-ord doc terms. It's hard to immediately determine how that'd work given the slot concept, which seems to be an ord or value per reader that's directly comparable? Is there an example of mixing multiple comparators for a given field? > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: Realtime Branch >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > Attachments: LUCENE-2312-FC.patch, LUCENE-2312.patch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] Commented: (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12974260#action_12974260 ] Simon Willnauer commented on LUCENE-2312: - bq. Yes. I'm still confused as to how DocValues fits into all of this. DocValues == column stride fields does that help ? simon > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: Realtime Branch >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > Attachments: LUCENE-2312-FC.patch, LUCENE-2312.patch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] Commented: (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12974247#action_12974247 ] Jason Rutherglen commented on LUCENE-2312: -- bq. Obtaining a normal fieldcache entry should work the same on an RT reader as any other reader Yes. I'm still confused as to how DocValues fits into all of this. bq. TOVC should continue to work as it does today It should, otherwise there'll be performance considerations. The main proposal here is incrementally updating FC values and how to continue to use DocTermsIndex for non-RT readers mixed with DocTerms for RT readers, either in TOVC or somewhere else. > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: Realtime Branch >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > Attachments: LUCENE-2312-FC.patch, LUCENE-2312.patch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] Commented: (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12973739#action_12973739 ] Yonik Seeley commented on LUCENE-2312: -- We shouldn't put to much magic down in the guts of anything here. Obtaining a normal fieldcache entry should work the same on an RT reader as any other reader. If we want a hybrid that can work either over docvalues or a normal FieldCache entry, then that should be a different type of FieldComparatorSource. TOVC should continue to work as it does today. > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: Realtime Branch >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > Attachments: LUCENE-2312-FC.patch, LUCENE-2312.patch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] Commented: (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12973732#action_12973732 ] Jason Rutherglen commented on LUCENE-2312: -- bq. Maybe we add a supportsOrd() to the FC entry? Or mark the reader as requiring ord only in the non-RAM reader case. Either that or we'd have an instanceof in FieldCache which is perhaps ugly. > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: Realtime Branch >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > Attachments: LUCENE-2312-FC.patch, LUCENE-2312.patch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] Commented: (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12973696#action_12973696 ] Jason Rutherglen commented on LUCENE-2312: -- bq. how will we incrementally update the FC entry on opening a new RT reader? Don't we have to fully re-invert? Right, fully re-inverting is inefficient so we need to add field cache values as we're indexing, which itself could be inefficient in some other way, though I think this is somewhat unlikely, maybe the conversion from string -> numbers? bq. DocValues are much easier to update incrementally since they are set during indexing. (But: we still need to figure out how DocValues intersects w/ RT!). What's wrong with incrementally adding to the FC? Also where are DocValues set during indexing? In trunk they're only referenced in the o.a.l.s.function package. > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: Realtime Branch >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > Attachments: LUCENE-2312-FC.patch, LUCENE-2312.patch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] Commented: (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12973598#action_12973598 ] Michael McCandless commented on LUCENE-2312: bq. Simple patch that's added a new CachedArray setValue method Hmmm -- how will we incrementally update the FC entry on opening a new RT reader? Don't we have to fully re-invert? Maybe... we only support comparators using docvalues on RT segments, instead? DocValues are much easier to update incrementally since they are set during indexing. (But: we still need to figure out how DocValues intersects w/ RT!). > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: Realtime Branch >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > Attachments: LUCENE-2312-FC.patch, LUCENE-2312.patch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] Commented: (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12973597#action_12973597 ] Michael McCandless commented on LUCENE-2312: bq. We could add a flag that forces TOVC to compare RAM reader(s)' field caches by value? Looks like we'll have to do something like that. It's sort of like mixing StringOrdValComp with StringValComp on a segment by segment basis. Ie for flushed segments it can use ord but for still-in-RAM segments it cannot. Maybe we add a supportsOrd() to the FC entry? > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: Realtime Branch >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > Attachments: LUCENE-2312-FC.patch, LUCENE-2312.patch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] Commented: (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12973396#action_12973396 ] Jason Rutherglen commented on LUCENE-2312: -- For TermOrdValComparator we'll have an issue when comparing the other segment's DocTermsIndex against the RAM reader's DocTerms for a given field, eg, it's going to fail because we won't have the ordinal. We could add a flag that forces TOVC to compare RAM reader(s)' field caches by value? > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: Realtime Branch >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > Attachments: LUCENE-2312-FC.patch, LUCENE-2312.patch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] Commented: (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12973092#action_12973092 ] Jason Rutherglen commented on LUCENE-2312: -- After further thought, there really isn't a choice here, the field cache values must be added as documents are added, or inefficiently generated from scratch per reader. The latter could be used to allow all tests to pass, however the excessive garbage generated could even preclude that. I think this'll mean introspecting for existing RT field cache entries and add values to them as documents are added. > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: Realtime Branch >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > Attachments: LUCENE-2312.patch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] Commented: (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12973060#action_12973060 ] Jason Rutherglen commented on LUCENE-2312: -- I thought about opening a separate issue for RT FieldCache. In trunk it looks like we need to add a grow method to CachedArray. However this doesn't quite solve the problem of filling in the field cache values either on demand or as documents are added. I'm not yet sure how the on-demand case'll work, which is probably the most logical to implement. The difficult use case is terms index, as it returns the term for a docid from an ord value. I don't think maintaining a terms index is possible on a rapidly changing index, eg, efficiently keeping an ordered terms array. Additionally, we can't easily tap into the CSML terms dictionary as it'll be changing and doesn't offer ord access. Perhaps we'd need to hardcode the terms index to return the term for a docid, ie, force calls to getTermsIndex to return DocTerms. The underlying doc terms field cache can be iteratively built on-demand. I wonder if there are compatibility issues with returning a DocTermsIndex that only effectively implements DocTerms? > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: Realtime Branch >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > Attachments: LUCENE-2312.patch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] Commented: (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12973024#action_12973024 ] Jason Rutherglen commented on LUCENE-2312: -- I think this can be implemented on the single DWPT case we have today. I'm not sure why it needs to wait on DWPT other than we thought DWPT would make the synchronization easier. Given that we're simply making pointer references in sync'd blocks to achieve basic RT, the single DW in 3.x and trunk should work fine. I'll start by making this patch to apply cleanly to trunk. There are two issues which will prevent all tests from passing, field caches and norms. Field caches will require custom dynamic growing of the field cache arrays, perhaps we'll need to add a .grow method to them? We don't really have a good way to address norms and for now I'll leave them faked. > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: Realtime Branch >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > Attachments: LUCENE-2312.patch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] Commented: (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12922597#action_12922597 ] Jason Rutherglen commented on LUCENE-2312: -- FreqProxTermsWriterPerField writes the prox posting data as terms are seen, however for the freq data we wait until we're on to the next doc (to accurately record the doc freq), and seeing a previously analyzed term before writing to the freq stream. Because the last doc code array in the posting array should not be copied per reader, when a document is finished, we need to flush the freq info out per term seen for that doc. This way, on reader instigated flush, the reader may always read all necessary posting data from the byte slices, and not rely partially on the posting array. I don't think this will affect indexing performance. > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: Realtime Branch >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > Attachments: LUCENE-2312.patch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] Commented: (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12921786#action_12921786 ] Jason Rutherglen commented on LUCENE-2312: -- We don't need to create a new spine array for the byte and int blocks per reader, these are append only spine arrays so we'll only copy a reference to them per reader. > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: Realtime Branch >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > Attachments: LUCENE-2312.patch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] Commented: (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12920408#action_12920408 ] Jason Rutherglen commented on LUCENE-2312: -- An interesting question for this issue is how will norms be handled? It's an issue because norms requires the total number of terms, which we can compute per reader, however as we add readers, we can easily generate too much garbage (ie, a new norms byte[] per field per reader). Perhaps we can relax the accuracy of the calculation for RT? > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: Realtime Branch >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] Commented: (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12919704#action_12919704 ] Jason Rutherglen commented on LUCENE-2312: -- The term dictionary's sorted int[] term ids can periodically be merged to create larger arrays. We can use a log merge policy like algorithm to merge the arrays, while the iteratively added terms will be placed into a concurrent skip list. Once the terms CSL reaches a given threshold (ie, 10,000) then it'll be converted into an int[] and periodically merged using log level steps. > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: Realtime Branch >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] Commented: (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12913389#action_12913389 ] Jason Rutherglen commented on LUCENE-2312: -- The patches I've been submitting to LUCENE-2575 probably should go here. Once the new byte block pool that records the slice level at the beginning of the slice is finished, the skip list can be completed, and then the basic functionality for searching on the RAM buffer will be done. At that point the concurrency and memory efficiency may be focused on and tested. In addition the deletes must be implemented. > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: 3.0.1 >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] Commented: (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12893617#action_12893617 ] Jason Rutherglen commented on LUCENE-2312: -- {quote}Note that many queries don't need sorted terms {quote} Right, fo starters we could offer a limited terms enum, terms docs API that only allows seeking to a specific term, without iteration of the terms dictionary, and iteration of the term's postings. Then some of these basic queries could be enabled. > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: 3.0.1 >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] Commented: (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12893570#action_12893570 ] Michael McCandless commented on LUCENE-2312: Note that many queries don't need sorted terms (TermQuery, PhraseQuery, SpanTermQuery). Others do (NumericRangeQuery, TermRangeQuery, AutomatonQuery (wildcard, fuzzy, regexp), PrefixQuery). At flush time we also need the terms sorted. > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: 3.0.1 >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] Commented: (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12893490#action_12893490 ] Jason Rutherglen commented on LUCENE-2312: -- I think we can change the *BlockPool classes to not expose the underlying array and instead hide the implementation, perhaps even implement a random access file like api. At the end of a document add, we'd flush the RAMRandomAccessFile like class, at which point the underlying data would become available for reading. Unless there's something I'm missing? > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: 3.0.1 >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] Commented: (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12893450#action_12893450 ] Jason Rutherglen commented on LUCENE-2312: -- We need to figure out a way to concurrently read and write from the *BlockPool classes. This will block implementing the reading of the primary index information (ie, postings). > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: 3.0.1 >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] Commented: (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12891760#action_12891760 ] Jason Rutherglen commented on LUCENE-2312: -- This wikipedia article illustrates the use of parallel arrays we can use for the terms dictionary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linked_list#Linked_lists_using_arrays_of_nodes Where the next and previous arrays would be AtomicIntegerArrays for concurrency (we may not need to implement the previous array because the TermsEnum only goes forward). If we can somehow implement the concurrent skip list on top of the concurrent linked list, we're probably good to go. > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: 3.0.1 >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] Commented: (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12891756#action_12891756 ] Jason Rutherglen commented on LUCENE-2312: -- We could use ConcurrentSkipListMap however there's a bit of overhead for the node object pointers. Michael had mentioned implementing the sorted terms using parallel arrays. Maybe for the first implementation we can store a sorted parallel array of BytesRefs? Or flatten a concurrent skip list into parallel arrays? > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: 3.0.1 >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] Commented: (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12891721#action_12891721 ] Jason Rutherglen commented on LUCENE-2312: -- In regards to implementing the terms dictionary index using a btree, here is a useful link on lock-free btree/esque solutions. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/256511/skip-list-vs-binary-tree > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: 3.0.1 >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: Realtime Branch > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
[jira] Commented: (LUCENE-2312) Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12890909#action_12890909 ] Jason Rutherglen commented on LUCENE-2312: -- We need to fill in the blanks on the terms dictionary implementation. Michael B. has some good ideas on implementing it using parallel arrays and dynamically updating a linked list implemented as a parallel AtomicIntegerArray. A question we have is regarding the use of a btree to quickly find the point of insertion for a new term. The btree would replace the term index which is binary searched and the term dictionary linearly scanned. Perhaps there's a better data structure for concurrent update and lookups? Another use of the AtomicIntegerArray could be the deletes sequence id int[]. However is it needed and would the lookup be fast enough? > Search on IndexWriter's RAM Buffer > -- > > Key: LUCENE-2312 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2312 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: Search >Affects Versions: 3.0.1 >Reporter: Jason Rutherglen >Assignee: Michael Busch > Fix For: 4.0 > > > In order to offer user's near realtime search, without incurring > an indexing performance penalty, we can implement search on > IndexWriter's RAM buffer. This is the buffer that is filled in > RAM as documents are indexed. Currently the RAM buffer is > flushed to the underlying directory (usually disk) before being > made searchable. > Todays Lucene based NRT systems must incur the cost of merging > segments, which can slow indexing. > Michael Busch has good suggestions regarding how to handle deletes using max > doc ids. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841923&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841923 > The area that isn't fully fleshed out is the terms dictionary, > which needs to be sorted prior to queries executing. Currently > IW implements a specialized hash table. Michael B has a > suggestion here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2293?focusedCommentId=12841915&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12841915 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org